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AUS: E Cigarette users to be fined $550 if smoking in public

Jabberwocky

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Nanny state strikes again! Smokers trying to kick the habit could face a $550 fine

Cigarette smokers trying to quit with the help of an e-cig could face a $550 fine.

A new anti e-cigarette law to be introduced in New South Wales in July will ban anyone from using the electronic device in any public place.

Anyone caught breaking the law by police could be handed the hefty fine. Similar laws regarding tobacco smoking were put into place across the state on July 1.

Critics of the law have claimed it could derail smokers trying to kick the habit by supplementing tobacco with an e-cig.

E-cig users could be forced back into smoking areas, where they are at a higher risk of relapsing.

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However, the Cancer Council of NSW has championed the new laws, citing the potential for 'passive vape' effects - despite international studies showing otherwise.

A study by Public Health England concluded that vaping poses a much smaller risk than tobacco and giving up tobacco completely for a vapor alternative carried with it 'substantial health benefits'.

The study also found that to up to 20,000 smokers quit tobacco after turning to e-cigarettes and that most people (below 10 per cent) don't realise the health risks posed by tobacco smoke are not from nicotine.

Despite such results, Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt remains an ardent crusader against relaxing any vaping laws, stating it would never happen 'on his watch'.

'Despite claims to the contrary, the jury is still out on the alleged benefits of e-cigarettes. The medical advice from Australian authorities is we need to err on the side of caution,' he said.

Australian Tobacco Harm Reduction Association chairman, Dr Colin Mendelsohn, told news.com.au that a number of international experts had concluded there were no health risks posed by 'passive vaping to bystanders'.

'A recent study demonstrates that e-cig vapour consists of liquid droplets that evaporate within seconds after exhaling. Smoke particles linger for 30 to 45 minutes, the views of Australian medical organisations conflict with those from overseas, in particular the UK,' he said.

Director for Health Improvement at PHE, John Newton, who was part of the PHE study, said the risks posed by e-cigarettes were almost non-existent in comparison to tobacco.

'Our new review reinforces the finding that vaping is a fraction of the risk of smoking, at least 95 per cent less harmful, and of negligible risk to bystanders. Yet over half of smokers either falsely believe that vaping is as harmful as smoking or just don?t know,' he said.

'It would be tragic if thousands of smokers who could quit with the help of an e-cigarette are being put off due to false fears about their safety.'

Former cigarette addict and board member of the New Nicotine Alliance Australia, Annette Huppatz, is against the new law forcing vapers out of public areas and said she believes it will have a negative impact.

The New Nicotine Alliance Australia is an avid advocate for vaping in place of traditional tobacco cigarettes, news.com.au reported.

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She said she found vaping afforded her a new sense of freedom, while still avoiding smoking hot spots.

She said she started vaping as a novelty but with time it replaced tobacco all together and offered a healthier alternative.

'Just because I smoked for 30-plus years doesn?t mean I want to be back among the smokers, when you?re new to vaping, the greatest moments of weakness come when you?re surrounded by smokers,' she said.

She compared the new law akin to holding an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in the back room of a pub.


Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-handing-smokers-trying-quit-cigarettes.html
 
"Passive vape" effects outdoors? Come on...

It's fucked being a smoker in Australia. Before I quit I was paying $24 for a 20 pack of lower end cigarettes.

So let's equate that to your Canadian dollars which would be 23.3506 CAD.

Out of curiosity how much are they there?
 
What the fuck? This is so fucking dumb.

Christ, i'm really glad i don't live in new south wales - not that the states i've lived in are much better. But this is fucking bullshit.
 
Fuck me!

What bollocks. And as for this greg hunt creature, I can just picture his name being used in cockney rhyming slang as a synonym for a rather offensive epithet=D
 
"Passive vape" effects outdoors? Come on...

Leaks nicotine into the air. In tightly packed places, others are going to inhale it.

I don't see a lot of people vaping where I live. Most are on cigs still. *SHRUGS*

Makes me wonder if another one's going to blow up a dude's head like that one story I posted.
 
Fuck me!

What bollocks. And as for this greg hunt creature, I can just picture his name being used in cockney rhyming slang as a synonym for a rather offensive epithet=D

The leader of the greens was asked this on a comedy show i saw once - question was something about his name rhyming with an appropriate description of him, when Hunt was the Federal Environment Minister.
Di Natale replied "Yes, he is a bit of a drop punt" - which i thought was a clever reply.

Truth is though, he's a cunt.
 
Well the blowing heads off bit can be eliminated by making sure imports are of sufficient quality. Afterall, laptops use lithium ion polymer batteries frequently, phones do, how often do you hear of a laptop blowing somebody's bollocks off?

And cunts, have warmth, depth and use to humanity. This mouldering, rancid heap of droppings has no such quality to lay claim to.
 
Well, then, I still maintain, its about quality control of the equipment, not that vaping is to be shut down or punished.

Because do you ban phones, or laptops, or anything else with a lithium ion polymer battery as a result? no, you don't. You issue a recall for a specific product if it does cause a problem. And you certainly don't blanket bank Li-ion polymer batteries.

Although a lot of E-cigs use traditional lithium batteries, not Li ion polymer types. In fact I've never seen a Li-ion polymer battery type. I've always, once E-cig batteries fail to work but still possess full or most charge when they are failed, or if they won't let the tank draw power but still accept charging, I've got bags of dead e-batteries in fact that I keep for use as sealed sources of moderate amounts of metallic lithium, in fine foil form that has a wide surface area, ideal for certain purposes when one is a hobby chemist, so that I do not have to open the (opened) pouch filled with argon, containing lithium slabs, dry, that itself is sealed in a glass jar housing a mixture of a dessicant, and of fine metal dusts, magnesium and iron powder, outside the Li bags, to keep it dry under the argon and to absorb traces of oxygen. The less when I want to use lithium metal that I have to open that vessel, the less oxidation hazard to my lab grade lithium slab slices, and the longer it'll keep for when lab grade is essential or the fine tape with high surface area that comes from battery electrode half coils unrolled under the cover of pentane or heptane, etc. is ideal.

Never encountered a lithium polymer ion battery yet in an E-fag. Only those containing useful lithium metal. (Although I can buy lithium metal either as blocks, sticks, pellets, slabs, bricks and what have you, in lab grade material if I want any and could
easily enough prepare it myself from the hydroxide by chemical reduction and melting under dioxane after a Mg dust-LiOH 'thermite' mixture, assuming that method works as it does for sodium, potassium etc.); the 1,4-dioxane being the perfect solvent, whether its surface tension plus boiling point, specific gravity and BP, viscosity or whatever plus being an ether, hard to reduce enough to stand up to Na, K etc., in leaching the powdered magnesium oxide slag from the metallothermic reaction, and in a metal tin, as Li attacks glass in the molten state unlike other alkali metals, melting it out with 1,4-dioxane made from sulfuric acid (concentrated, hot) and ethylene glycol bog cleaner and antifreeze, distilling off the dioxane as it is formed and using it to boil the powdered MgO-alkali metal slag, leaching out the metal.
 
Sure. You can’t bring those electronic travel bags you can ride on the plane with you.

Eventually there will be phone bans on places.
 
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