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Can you guys help me to find out if this drug (Viminol) has any "recreational value'?

cacachanel

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Can you guys help me to find out if this drug (Viminol) has any "recreational value'?

I want to use an opioid to cope with cocaine withdrawals (which won't last very long, maybe 3 days), as some people suggested. I used for 4 days straight (not binging, I slept normally, but using it every time I was awake, including at work). I'm too weak to deal with them and I have to be a functional and smiling employee.
I'm completely naive to opiates as there is no opioid culture where I live (Brazil) and it's extremely rare to find a dealer which deals them, except for some immigrants which sell them, as I've heard rumors about.
Anyway, there's this opioid which is sold as a racemic mixture OTC here, called Viminol. The other option is buying paregoric elixir and taking a full bottle, which is equivalent to 15 mg morphine, also sold OTC.

Some sources I found which yielded mixed conclusions for me:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/687668-An-intresting-opioid-called-Viminol
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0014299973900496 (have to use sci-hub)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viminol
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14659890701237124?journalCode=ijsu20

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viminol Portuguese language Wikipedia says it's not abusable though.

I'm in doubt between "it's too weak, but it works" which in case I'll just take a higher dosage (except if it has some other property which makes it dangerous at higher dosages like maybe a stronger binding to another receptor) and "it won't have an effect, or maybe it will even be dysphoric, at higher dosages".
 
Some people love viminol, some find it a good analgesic with no other effects to speak of. It looks like genetic expression plays a large part but be aware that there are 6 isomers in the tablets. One is an agonist, one is an antagonist. 4 are supposed to be inactive but from the differing reports it seems like it may do different things for different people. Be aware that the agonist is some x5.5 morphine in potency so even though it's OTC in certain South American countries, it is quite a strong medicine and I don't know what the addiction liability is.

To any budding chemists - many have tried but none have managed to resolve the (S,S) and the (R,R) isomers. the other 33% is the cis isomer and of those 3 50% has an (R) 1-hydroxy and the other has (S) 1-hydroxy and only the (S) is active. In short, the stuff is made without recourse to chiral precursors so it's a mess. Each of the 6 isomers displays different pharmokinetics. If you are a genius then why not go for the chiral pyrrolidine derivatives bearing in mind that the -CF3 is x2 the -Cl given in the patent. Another wonderful example of medicinal chemists not even bothering to read patents!
 
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