Opioids Poppy Pod Tea- Where are the good recipes?

[pocketsevens]

SWIM is having trouble finding a good resource online for how to make poppy pod tea. In particular, SWIM can't find any info on when the pods are ready to be made into tea. SWIM had a few poppies that had already flowered, so she decided to try it out.

All the resources say to cut the pods open first to "pour" the seeds out. All of the recipes say that as if it's so simple. But when SWIM cut open the pods, the seeds were stuck to the sides, so it was more like scraping them out. SWIM also noticed the seeds were white as opposed to black like poppy seeds usually are. Everything was so sticky it was impossible to get the seeds out. When do the seeds become black?

SWIM followed a vague recipe. As instructed, SWIM crushed up the pods, boiled them "briefly" as the recipe stated, drained the liquid and drank. SWIM isn't feeling the effect she had hoped for.

So what I'm asking from you lovely people is:
1) Does anyone know a website that has detailed instructions for the WHOLE process of poppy pod tea, including harvesting?
2) If you're using home-grown growing poppies, when is the optimum time to harvest to make tea? What should the pods look like?
3) Do the pods HAVE to be dried for tea? If so how does one dry them..?

As you can see I'm very confused so any insight would be greatly appreciated. Much love to you all.

 

[Jekyl Anhydride]

We really don't use SWIM here, it's useless for self incrimination protection.

So yeah, the search engine just spits out info in mere mins, for future reference..

Some of these recipes are talking about dried, powdered heads but fresh heads are better imo as they are more potent, and a lovely bright green. The white seeds are immature and unless they are stuck to something you can toss em.

Heads are at their peak when the petals fall off and that dusty look sets in.

Black/ dark seeds come from mature, dried heads and are washed to gain the latex that has dried on them, pods have all that inside in denser amounts.

Take the best parts or the parts you want to try from the info below and you should do fine. Just start slow as these things can put you in the hospital or worse. Stay Safe.

just grind them up and boil/steep in a tea and/or wash the grinds down.

don't worry about what you may be losing or if they're big enough...so long as you have the correct species of poppy (papaver somniferum) you shouldn't need to much to get a nice effect if you have no opiate tolerance. small pods work just fine, you may just need more of them than you would large pods (by that i mean more individual pods, not more weight).

i don't think the pods will 'mature' any more if they've been picked - they are unlikely to get any stronger, so i don't see any point in waiting. they might drop their petals and begin to look more like poppy pods, but if they've been picked prematurely they won't develop any more.

IMO bleeding the pods is a total waste of time, especially if they're not grown on your property or somewhere private. unless you have a lot of opium latex, the effects of smoking opium have always been disappointing in my experience.

tea, on the other hand, is wonderful.
if the pods are bleeding, that's ok - just make tea with them, and save all the fucking around of trying to bleed them.
the latex is likely to be quite watery and weak if you've had them sitting in water.

my preferred way to consume the tea is to put a handful of pods in a blender with some grapefruit juice, blend them up and then drink the juice and wash down the grinds with a glass of water. you don't waste a thing, and it doesn't involve any heating or waiting around.

as for the seeds, they're not much use. commercially available poppy seeds are believed to be coated in a thin layer of opium due to the mechanical processing of the poppies to remove the seeds. i've not known anyone to have good results from using the seed from dried or fresh pods. you'd need a lot of them to make a difference.

you can either crack the pods open and shake the seeds out or leave them in the brew - it makes little difference.
personally i take them out because it makes it easier and more pleasant to down the poppy juice and grinds without seeds.

I don't have any exact measurements so I'll guesstimate.

Materials:
Poppies!
Lemon Juice
Small cooking pot
A large nylon cloth, or bathing suit (they work great, don't use cotton etc.)
Paper towels
Coffee Filters
Mountain Dew, or Peach Soda
A large Bowl and small bowl.
Water Bottle.

1) Hand crush the poppies, discarding the crowns and stems and saving the seeds in a separate bowl, until you have about 1 cups of ground material. (Adjust to your tolerance, but be careful!!)

2) Put the grounds in a small cooking pot and put just enough water to leave the poppy material just barely above the water level. Add about 3 tablespoons of lemon juice to lower the PH and convert a few alkaloids

3)Cover and heat until it's at a slow simmer, not boil! You must keep it covered!!

4) Let cook for 20 minutes.

5) Lay your large nylon cloth, aka bathing suit, over a large bowl. Pour the poppy seeds into the middle and dump the cooked poppies ontop. Pick up the sides of the cloth, lift the cloth up and let the liquid drain. It will be very hot so you might want to wait a few minutes before the most important step.

6) SQUEEZE!! Twist the cloth around the poppy material inside and squeeze with all your might. Get every drop of liquid heaven into that bowl!

7) Further strain the liquid with paper towels and then finally coffee filters. It's really important to use nylon to strain the material at first because it doesn't stain, it is mostly waterproof and won't absorb the juice, it doesn't stretch and let material through, and finally it's easily washable.

If you have done this correctly you will have about a half cup or less of liquid, if you have more clean your pot and set on low heat until it is reduced some.
I like to pour the rest of the water bottle back into the bottle and place in the refrigerator, unless you have kids in the house then don't. Keep it refrigerated and it lasts about a week or so, you can also freeze it. It doesn't fully freeze it just gets slushy.

-perfect dose is around 3-4 medium sized pods, or 2-3 biguns

-wouldn't drink a proper amount of tea if i had real obligations the next day.
tends to keep me up and mess with my everything and all

-start slow. tea is the strongest i have found,but you need to watch it. start slow. 1/4 cup, 1/2 cup. it's fabulous, but watch your step

-first time I ever tried poppies, I had a mild nausea,
but it went away rather quickly and wasn't painful

Basic Poppy Tea Recipe

Brewing up a batch of poppy tea is easy. Essentially all there is to it is grinding up some pods and adding them to boiled water. Presented below is a typical recipie for Poppy Tea. Make sure to always start with very few pods, and then work your way up to receive the desired effects. Remember -- it's better to start small and feel nothing, then to use too much and end up dead. Of course, this recipie is provided for informational purposes only, and it is not recommended that you actually try this.

Step one: Take your supply of poppy pods and grind them in a coffee grinder to create as fine a powder as possible. Mix the powder into a homogenous product, so as to account for variations in potency between one pod and the next.

Step two: Measure out five pods worth of powder. If you are using more "potent" strains such as hens and chickens, start with perhaps two. If you have a high tolerance to opiates, you can try more. But always remember to start SMALL. It's always better to waste some pods than to overdose!

Step three: Boil two cups of water on the stove. Once the water is boiling, remove from the heat and add your powdered pods. Do not boil the pods!

Step four: Stir occasionally, allowing around 15-30 minutes for the tea to "steep", and cool.

Step Five: Pour the contents through a strainer or cheesecloth into a mug. Save the used pulp from the strainer, as it can be used again, although at about half the strength. Only use one cup of water when doing a re-brew.

Step Six: Drink the mixture, including any powdery residue left at the bottom of your mug, as it will also contain alkaloids. Waste not want not!

Many people simply cannot stand the taste of the tea. It can be quite horrible in fact, especially if you can't handle bitter flavours well. Some people like to add some honey or sugar to their tea to mask the flavour. Others say that mixing the tea with Orange Juice can totally mask the flavour, without reducing the effects. In the end, it's up to you.

Remember, as with any opiate based substance, it is possible to both overdose and become addicted to poppy tea. So use caution! It's always better not to start at all, but if you must, it is imperative that you treat these powerful substances with the respect that they deserve.


Another Poppy Tea Recipe

Ingredients:
2-4 large dried giganthemum pods or 5-10 medium pods
2 cups water per person
1 medium size pot
1 medium porous strainer or cheesecloth
1 regular mechanical or electric coffee grinder
1 table spoon Honey or Sugar
2 slices lemons

ALWAYS START WITH A WEEKER/MILDER TEA AND INCREASE IF DESIRED
DIFFERENT SIZE/TYPE OF PODS WILL RESULT IN A STRONGER/MILDER TEA
REMEMBER, START MILD AND WORK UP!!!!

1. After the poppy has gone through its flowering cycle,
a light brown to purple-blue in color pod is left on the end of the stem.
Most pods will be bone-dry, beige-purple and brittle. You need about ten medium size pods or four of the large giganthemum pods per person for this tea recipe.
For stronger effect you may use slightly more.

2. Break the pods off of the stems, twisting them so as to create a hole at the
bottom of the pod where the stem came off. If the pods have not been drilled or dehisced, the pods will contain a great deal of seeds which you can now remove
and save for planting. Break the pods open and empty out the seeds. There is no need to include the seeds in the tea because the ingredients for the tea are in the poppy pods alone.

3. At this point you will need a coffee grinder either mechanical or electrical
which can be found at Wal-Mart, Sears or any other department store for between $10 and $20. Put the pods in the grinder, and grind the pods to as fine a powder as possible. The more you grind them the more surface area there is for the flavoring of the poppy to be extracted.

4. Boil 2 cups of water per person/batch. When the water comes to a boil, stir
in the ground-up pods and immediately remove the pot from the heat. You want to scald the powder but you don't want it to sit there and boil on the stove, it will break down the flavoring. As the water cools continue to stir in the powder into the water. You don't have to stir continuously, but insure the powder fully mixes with the water. After it is fully mixed let the ingredients seep into the water as it cools and become a light brown-yellow cloudy liquid.

5. After about 15-30 minutes, using a cheese cloth or strainer, pour the mixture
through to separate out the water from the pod powder. As you are pouring the boiled water and poppy pods through the strainer or cheese cloth, use a spoon to stir the mixture so that it does not get clogged, and continues to flow. When all of the water is drained, discard the pungent remnants of the pods.

6. Pour the remaining liquid and serve. For enhanced taste you may add some honey or sugar. What you have left is poppy tea. For an alternate taste you may cool and server with sugar and lemon juice as ice tea.


Additional tips

Forum member Sr. Itchy brings to the FAQ his top nine tips for brewing a good cup of tea.

1. Make sure you have a good quality coffee grinder or blender - or that you use one that is effectively disposable. You can get a "disposable" blender at Wal-Mart which you will eventually burn out by pulverizing the poppies. At the other end of the spectrum are the heavy-duty, stainless steel professional models. These high-end machines will last much, much longer and are easier to use.

2. Things to add to the mix to make it more potent include lemon juice, lime juice, distilled vinegar and california poppy. The lemon juice, lime juice and distilled vinegar all contain small amounts of different acids that can chemically change some of the opium molecules into more potent related molecules. A vitamin C tablet tossed in with the pods when they are ground can also help make the water more acidic and therefore more capable of extracting the proper alkaloids from the poppy material.

Cider vinegar works, too, but it smells horrible and makes an already somewhat unpleasant tea into a truly unpleasant tea.

California poppy is not a true poppy but it does have some sedative/euphoric properties. You can buy tinctures of California Poppy alone - or combined with Valerian Root or Kava Kava. Valerian and Kava again have sedative/euphoric and also muscle relaxant properties. Don't use prickly poppy - it is potentially toxic and there have been reports of people getting permanent tinitus (ringing in the ears) from excessive use.

3. Lemon & Lime also serve a double duty as flavor enhancers. Poppy tea made with lime as opposed to poppy tea made without will taste better. Just about any sort of fruit juice will improve the taste, especially orange juice and cranberry juice. Coca Cola is another solution. Maple syrup can actually make the beverage taste GREAT - especially with orange juice. COLD tea tastes better than WARM or HOT tea in my opinion. Start with a big pint glass full of ice, pour your cold ingredients [juice, etc.] in first then add the tea. If you're still sensitive to the taste drinking through a straw make the experience more palatable.

4. While the pod "flesh" is the most potent part of the plant, the stems, seeds
and possibly the leaves contain the same alkaloids albeit in smaller amounts, so don't throw them away. It is said that the stem is about half as potent by weight than the pod. One trick is to make a great deal of tea from leftover stems and then simmer it down in a large, flat saucepan which will allow for fast evaporation of water molecules leaving a stronger concentrate behind.

There are people who make tea just from the seeds (and vinegar and/or lemon/lime). I read once that the seeds themselves contain 2% - 3% of codeine and morphine by weight. While you would probably get more value from the seeds by scattering them in a wild, unmowed field, they, too can contribute to potency in the beverage.

5. If you are using a French Press, pour your drink then top the press off with hot water again. You can do this over and over again, each time with the tea getting lighter and lighter. You may be able to do this as many as 10 times before all you get is water. Even a very weak 10th steep in a French Press overnight will help with chronic pain and muscle spasms.

6. The spent "mush" after a successful round of extractions makes great compost - either dump it in your compost pile or directly into your garden (off season).

7. If you are a beginner and you're planning to give it a whirl, definitely start small and most importantly of all, DO NOT PUT YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE. If you get enough of the alkaoids in you you may find yourself nodding off uncontrollably. You DEFINITELY do NOT want to be behind the wheel of an automobile.

8. Frequent use of any opiate has a great potential for causing addiction. If you find yourself "jonesing" for your tea its time to back off.

If you have become fully addicted to the tea, understand that you are addicted to opiates in general and that you may substitute. If you are addicted you should b honest with yourself and try to stop. Substituting to wean oneself from an opiate addiction is one way to "get clean. " Switch from the tea to Ultram/Tramadol and wean yourself off of that.

If that is too difficult then switch to codeine, then progressively lower doses of
codeine and then stop - you will feel cranky, irritable and have flu-like systems for perhaps 2 or 3 days, but it is worth going through if you are having a problem.

An even weaker opiate (opiod?) exists in the form of Darvon. You may find that stepping down through doses of codeine as low as you can then switching to Darvon and progressively lowering doses will help you quit altogether.

If you still can't do it, there is a common herb called "Feverfew" that you can get in capsules at any drug store, Wal-Mart, healthfood store, etc. It has been used in olk medicine for centuries for helping with withdrawal.

Other withdrawal tools include iboga or ibogaine (illegal in the US) and a Southeast Asian tree leaf called "Kratom." UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU MESS WITH EITHER OF THESE SUBSTANCES WITHOUT THE SUPERVISION OF A PHYSICIAN OR SPECIALIST. Read as much as possible about either of these before touching them. Iboga root can cause you to hallucinate for several days - it is dangerous and must be used with care under proper supervision.

..And here's a 15 page biggie thread on poppy pod /seed tea: -The-EADD-Poppy-Pods-amp-Seeds-Thread-v1-Watch-Out-For-the-Mould!!!

 

[ArtVandalay]

I used to be a poppy pod tea addict. I bought dried pods, grinded them in a coffee grinder to a fine powder (including any seeds). Would take like half a cup of grinds (depending on strength of batch) steep in hot water (though it would work with any temp) for ten minutes. Strain with tea strainer or old tea shirt, drink.

 

[Zeiton]

The most important part is to get the powder as fine as possible.
1, grind the pods
2, boil water
3, pour water and ground pods on a bowl or cup, or if you used a sauce pan to boil the water, just put the powder in there (don't use boiling water, use boiled water), adding the juice of 1 or 2 lemons is optional, I find it gives the tea a much better taste, almost not ugly
4, steep for about 10 to 15 minutes
5, use a coffee filter or a simple strainer, if you man up and drink some chunks your mu-opiod receptors will thank you later
6, enjoy
7, Almost forgot, some people actually redo all the process with the strained liquid, I have never done so because one big cup of tea is more than enough to leave me not wanting to taste it ever again, but many claim it works. Also, after 20 minutes aprox you won't feel the taste of anything so you might as well give it a try,, heck I'll give it a go next time i get my pods

 

[Zeiton]

Also it is very important to get the powder ground very fine

And please, do not, i mean it, DO NOT add sugar as it gets a lot worse, don't ask me why but it does.

 

[Opiate_ Conundrum]

First time

Tried poppy seed tea last night. It was cool. Definitely something I could do again. I'm very experienced when it comes to opiates so I wasn't expecting much. I must say I was pleasantly surprised.

I felt it necessary to post because I couldn't find what I was looking for in clear cut terms. (Which I've come to realize can often mean "I'm not seeing what I WANT to see.") Be your own judge first. Anyway!

I've been using opioids for about ten years now. My first was a glorious peach 40 oc waaaaay before the op's) only about a 3rd though. They were crazy strong. I stayed in that ballpark for a good 5 or 6 years till I graduated to the big leagues. Now in the past 5 years where I'm at almost all the brwn is straight fet.

I'm getting tired of typing so.... fast forward to last night.

Poured 1 lb of SEEDS ONLY SEEDS into a handle of an empty Gatorade bottle. (The largest ones they sell with a white grip on top) I then covered half with lemon juice and I went a half inch or so about the seeds with cold water. Shook and shook for a half hour. Slightly loosened the top and poured directly into another smaller Gatorade bottle.

All this was around 7pm by 845pm I'd say max effect was met. Initial onset about a half hour. I'm up now 730am and still feel a slight hum through out my body. But I made another batch before bed and may take it.

However I wanted to know can I do another wash? A 3rd? The seeds have been sitting in my room. Pretty cool for the night. In the container still. I'm unsure because they have to be wet. Mould is a possibility? I'd be happy to elaborate on anything. And look forward to hearing from someone.

 

[tremours]

remember it takes along time to kick in so be careful about redosing

 

[doIhavePotential]

most poppy pod recipes will be for dried pods and not fresh ones, it's done to circumvent laws and isn't the ideal form for opiates(ie, it's a hassle)

if you have fresh pods then just cut incisions and scrape the latex and use it orally or sublingually. This should be done when the capsule is green and the petals have just fallen off. you can then let the pod dry naturally or cut them and dry/use them, but they will be less potent after cutting.

poppys can also be quite small and it takes a lot of poppies to have a decent amount of alkaloids for a high. Sometimes the pods are just to small and aren't very high in morphine.

I would use a blender and blend the stems and pods and leaves in some water, let it sit for 10-20 mins, strain and then drink slowly.

 

[Prescottdave]

There is a lot of misleading information on poppy tea and the best time to harvest pods for the use in oral preparations. The best time to use the fresh pods is not when the petals fall off. If you have ever grown papaver somniferum you will realize the pods almost double in size from the time the petals fall off to the time the tip of the poppy crown turns up and the pods gain a blue hue. In my opinion the best time to harvest fresh poppy pods is about 10-14 days after the petals have fallen off. Most info out on the net about alkaloid content has to do with the best time to milk the pods as opposed to collecting them for tea. I have never noticed a loss in potency from quality fresh pods compared to quality dry pods.

I have worked with poppies from an old vendor that were many times called AZ purples grown in Yuma AZ. Most hard core long term poppy pod tea heads will rember these poppies. These pods were medium in size and took about 2-3 pods ground in tea or oral as a powder to gain a high comparable to about 80mg of oxycodone.

Even times for milking the pod is not right after the petals have fallen off. Take a look at some videos about the poppy fields in Afghanistan. You will find them milking them when the crown of the pod has begun to turn upwards and the pods gain a dusty blue hue usually 7-10 days after the petals have fallen off. For long term storage and poppy tea it is best to let the pods mature until you can hear the seeds rattling around in the pod. Slicing a poppy which has just had the petals fall off will result in about half as much latex as waiting a week for the pods to swell up. The latex from pods which are still maturing is also about half as potent especially since they require frequent watering right until they begin to open . Patels can fall off a poppy pod the day they flower or even the day after but hopefully will stay on for about 5-10 days.

 

[goblinazz]

Where can I buy seeds and What kind of seeds do they need to be? I don?t need pods right

 

[CfZrx]

We're not allowed to tell you where to buy anything on BL.

 

[Jekyl Anhydride]

What he^ said! (unless you're looking for HR stuff like Micron filters, etc)

Where can I buy seeds and What kind of seeds do they need to be? I don?t need pods right

While we really frown on the sourcing, I will tell you that demand has seemed to outweigh supply and both pods & seeds are not up to par with where they once were.