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So my doctor informed me on my last visit that new rules are coming into place in june that require anyone on a schedule 2 substance to take a mandatory drug test every visit.

So i now have to piss test for adderall, fuck the gov't. I suspect that soon it's going to be mandatory for all these drugs to be abuse resistant hence a price hike and minimal effectiveness.

When do you think this group of old fucks on the hill are gonna die off so we can get some non-archaic drug policy?
 
When do you think this group of old fucks on the hill are gonna die off so we can get some non-archaic drug policy?

Probably when the liver cirrhosis/cancer from their beloved alcohol and/or lung cancer (among other cancers) from tobacco catches up with them. It takes time, yeah, but I think we're on the right track here.
 
So my doctor informed me on my last visit that new rules are coming into place in june that require anyone on a schedule 2 substance to take a mandatory drug test every visit.

So i now have to piss test for adderall, fuck the gov't. I suspect that soon it's going to be mandatory for all these drugs to be abuse resistant hence a price hike and minimal effectiveness.

When do you think this group of old fucks on the hill are gonna die off so we can get some non-archaic drug policy?

For real??? That sounds like a huge fucking privacy invasion just to get help for an illness. Fuck that. What state/country are you in?

Edit: Nvm I see you're from MI. I'm not too far away, I'm not even gonna try to see a doctor for stuff like that anymore it'll probably be the same in Illinois. And those morons wonder why the black market is so big...
 
So my doctor informed me on my last visit that new rules are coming into place in june that require anyone on a schedule 2 substance to take a mandatory drug test every visit.

So i now have to piss test for adderall, fuck the gov't. I suspect that soon it's going to be mandatory for all these drugs to be abuse resistant hence a price hike and minimal effectiveness.

When do you think this group of old fucks on the hill are gonna die off so we can get some non-archaic drug policy?

Those rules sound made up. I haven't heard anything like this. Find a doctor who won't lie to you.

The Hippocratic Oath is a bunch of shit; why is lying to a patient not doing harm? :| OF COURSE lying to a patient is harmful and it's morally wrong.
 
Your doctor is lying, or a sales rep for drug testing labs probably told him that.

What state are you in? Upon Google searching I have seen a few conservative states (Kentucky , Wisconsin and Indiana) have implemented such requirements.

The ACLU indiana sued the state and successfully had this rule abolished as it is a violation of the Constitution protecting against ", unreasonable searches and seizures"

I used to set up drug testing labs and consult for them full time. I still do it in my spare time sometimes. I have heard no such thing. I also get an opioid script and my doctor doesn't test and has said no such thing.


The truth is even the most expensive tests are incredibly easy to cheat on, and the ppl running the test have no idea how to read the data.(software interprets the data and makes lots of mistakes)..as the education and licencing exams have absolutely nothing remotely related to drug testing done after 1980 on them.

This drug testing industry is grossly mismanaged and full incredibly unqualified and incompetent ppl doing the work, managing labs etc. These ppl hold the fate of your medical treatment in your hands. I could not even begin to explain right now the shit I've seen but it is incredibly scary.

The tests are usually a huge scam. For example 78 yr old church ladies on oxy are being tested for MDMA, pcp, cannabinoids that haven't existed for a decade, 4 metabolites for a single drug, nicotine, caffeine, kava kava...basically lots of useless tests so that the labs can jack up the prices to 15oo to 2ooo dollars per test.

It's a gross level of fraud happening.

I've been thinking lately of starting a business based on advocating for ppl losing scripts due to lab technicians (and the lab directors that are MDs) inability to read the data and soley relying on computers that can make lots of mistakes. I

This business model would involve discrediting the labs results and then suing the lab and possibly the prescribing physician for malpractice.
 
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When do you think this group of old fucks on the hill are gonna die off so we can get some non-archaic drug policy?


I don't think th dying will change much. Much of the younger generation is Christian conservative and will carry the torch on.

Also taking money from corporations to fuck over citizens is something that is not restricted to the dinosaurs politicians.

Liberals need to be blaming themselves for being too lazy to vote. And only voting for some 20th term official that is shitting thier diapers and suffering of dementia while taking huge bribes.

We have ourselves to blame for all of it.
 
Those rules sound made up. I haven't heard anything like this. Find a doctor who won't lie to you.

^ I agree and think your doctor is doing this arbitrarily. I'm in Michigan too and there is new legislation going into effect but it's stricter regulations in prescribing opioid pain medication. So I can see it getting rough for pain management doctors. Is this a regular GP or psychiatrist who told you this?
 
I actually couldn't find anything via google search in regards to MI passing a law that requires a UA. But I did find a couple articles that they have "adopted new requirements for controlled substance prescriptions" at couple months back...meaning that they're cracking down on opiod/opiate scipts. Making it more difficult to get an adequate supply. Apparently you have to have a "bona fide prescriber-patient relationship" to continue opiate scripts? IDK mannn....but yes. fuck the system.
 
I don't think my doctor is lying, she's a very nice women and very professional. Maybe it's not mandatory every time i go, i heard from someone i work with who gets adderall and vic that they CAN test you but might not do it every time.

The way my doctor put it sounded like it was going to be every visit but maybe she misunderstood the new laws, idk.
 
I don't think my doctor is lying, she's a very nice women and very professional. Maybe it's not mandatory every time i go, i heard from someone i work with who gets adderall and vic that they CAN test you but might not do it every time.

The way my doctor put it sounded like it was going to be every visit but maybe she misunderstood the new laws, idk.

Perhaps your state has passed some law of that sort, but I would raise hell and claim you deserve a medical exception, or for the doc to just fudge the records (DEA often overlooks some cases and go off what the docs say etc)

Awful fucking laws man.

Opioid "crisis" is not a crisis and now the rest of us are going to pay the price :|
 
I've been hearing that doctors are makng up arbitrary rules to take the pressure and blame off of themselves when it comes to controlled substance level medication, so they can say "sorry, its out of my hands" and not have to explain suspicion of abuse to the patients they get skeeved out by. DEA is putting the pressure on them, so I get some of their situation, but doctors have a responsibility to treat patients properly, and blowing off and lying to a patient who needs a scheduled medication just to make their lives easier is pretty low
 
So my doctor informed me on my last visit that new rules are coming into place in june that require anyone on a schedule 2 substance to take a mandatory drug test every visit.

So i now have to piss test for adderall, fuck the gov't. I suspect that soon it's going to be mandatory for all these drugs to be abuse resistant hence a price hike and minimal effectiveness.

When do you think this group of old fucks on the hill are gonna die off so we can get some non-archaic drug policy?

That's fucking retarded and unfair.

I hope it doesn't happen for me with my Klonopin.

Somehow I have a hard time imagining my psychiatrist testing me as I never see him and he just texts me my script and he's actually pretty cool and unusual as a doctor. I mean he's covered in tats from his legs to his neck and looks less like a doctor than anyone I've ever seen.

But that is just really fucked up.
 
Perhaps your state has passed some law of that sort, but I would raise hell and claim you deserve a medical exception, or for the doc to just fudge the records (DEA often overlooks some cases and go off what the docs say etc)

Awful fucking laws man.

Opioid "crisis" is not a crisis and now the rest of us are going to pay the price :|

Just wondering why you said this.

I agree there's a lot of fucked up shit going on with doctors but at the same time, wouldn't you call how many people are dying from prescription opiates somewhat of a "crisis"??

I mean I don't think it's the kind of "crisis" that mean doctors should be cutting patients off their pains meds, but it is kind of an issue that should be dealt with in SOME way surely?

I don't have an issue with anyone KNOWINGLY using opiates for their pleasure inducing effects or for pain relief when using them.

Actually, I think the main issue comes from people who have no intention of "abusing" them getting hooked after using them for pain. It's kind of like you know your street user knows the deal that comes with them so it's all good, but I feel sorry for the 60 year old guy who just needs opiates for his hip pain and doesn't even know how good they feel and then gets hooked and overdoses. I feel like when you go looking for it on the street you have actually "weeded yourself out" of the issue as you know what your are in for...
 
Issues with opioid ODs are more a problem related to people not understanding how serious the risk of OD is when combing multiple drugs. Namely gabaergic stuff with opioids.

There are of course fent/etc ODs, but in terms of non-fent stuff, the issue is less opioids per se and more certain polydrug combos.

So the whole issue of restricting opioids doesn't really address the lack of awareness when it comes to the risks of certain kinds of polydrug use.

So my doctor informed me on my last visit that new rules are coming into place in june that require anyone on a schedule 2 substance to take a mandatory drug test every visit.

So i now have to piss test for adderall, fuck the gov't. I suspect that soon it's going to be mandatory for all these drugs to be abuse resistant hence a price hike and minimal effectiveness.

When do you think this group of old fucks on the hill are gonna die off so we can get some non-archaic drug policy?

Time to invest in companies that handle our liquid gold...

Honestly, probably the biggest single motivation for me to not doctor prescribed DEA scheduled drugs is because I find UAs such an incredibly waste of resources and dehumanizing.

A UA is not going to stop a motivated individual from beating drug tests. A UA is going to cost a ridiculous amount of money. For America's already severely overtapped healthcare economy, millions of new UAs are going to create an entirely new mega industry.

Might as well try to capitalize on it. Or start using illegal drugs in protest. And I want the kind of healthcare/drug policy that encourages that kinds of exploitation/harm why?
 
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I get tested every month. At my first pain clinic I had so many weird test results that eventually they pretty much let me go. It was very strange but for about 4 months they kept telling me that my test did not show my medicines or it showed not enough of my medicines, Etc.

I just looked at my doctor like he was an idiot because of course my medicine was in my system and how could someone at LabCorp mess up my test that bad? He would send me to Lab Corp 2 or 3 times a month because my medicine wasn't showing up correctly. I'm sure he thought I sold them, he never listened to me and they made me feel like a subhuman.

Embarrassed and humiliated is how I felt. I was freaked and relieved at the same time when they let me go. I took a valium the month they discharged me, but the tests showed multiple benzos, multiple pain meds I didn't take and something that freaked out all the doctors. I was a 45 year old married Mom of 4 that was being asked if I had been partying and perhaps took some pills from a bowl passed around. WHAT???? My husband was an attorney and we didn't even drink. Not even beer around the pool. Assholes.

The pain specialist that I use now and have used for the last 8 years does test me every month but doesn't even look at the test and when I look at the test and ask him questions about it he just shrugs his shoulders and says he doesn't know and he doesn't care. So I believe that he does the drug test because the government forces him to but all he's going to do is stick it in my folder and ignore it. He is one doctor that truly has a "screw you government" attitude and I love him for that.

Oftentimes I'll read over my urine screen and it will say that I have some of the metabolites of Oxycodone but there's something missing and it's implied basically that I took my urine and broke up a piece of Oxycodone into the urine and sent it to the lab.(yeah, lab asses love leaving comments about what they think is happening in the Comments Section).

I do not understand the tests at all and sometimes they will say I don't have any hydrocodone in my system when I take it every single day and in fact the day before I go to my doctor I actually take extra of all of my medicines because the tests keep showing that my medicines aren't there or aren't there in the right amount. I drink huge amounts of water and I asked my doctor if I was possibly peeing out my medicine and he said he didn't think so but like I said he simply doesn't care what the urine screen says. I'm sure that he glances at the front page to make sure that there are no illegal drugs in my system (he doesn't care about pot for some reason, just meth and cocaine and uppers) but my urine screen result Is a packet about eight pages long and he ignores the rest of the test.

I find it surprising that a doctor would want to drug test for Adderall but my daughter was on Adderall for about a year when she was in college and she was tested before they put her on it.

I assumed that anyone getting narcotics was tested every month but I guess not LOL. I've gotten used to it but it can be a pain in my pocket book.

I can not afford the price of these constant tests and I have a lab that is on my butt right now, but they want to charge me $290 for each test because my health insurance sucks and I don't have $290 to give these people for every single test. I don't care if they stick it on my credit. If the government is going to do this then maybe they should start paying for our stupid tests. Not all of us can come up with an extra $300 a month just so we can get our medicines.

Ugh. Sorry. I've had so many drug tests come back so wrong that I could write a book on their stupidity. Do they even have to go to college before trying to ruin my life with snarky comments because they can't figure out how part of a medicine is showing up but some metabolites aren't? I think I should be able to get them fired every time they are wrong. Maybe then they'd go back and run the tests right.
 
That's fucking retarded and unfair.

I hope it doesn't happen for me with my Klonopin.

Somehow I have a hard time imagining my psychiatrist testing me as I never see him and he just texts me my script and he's actually pretty cool and unusual as a doctor. I mean he's covered in tats from his legs to his neck and looks less like a doctor than anyone I've ever seen.

But that is just really fucked up.

Clonazepam is class 5

If I remember correctly
 
I get tested every month. At my first pain clinic I had so many weird test results that eventually they pretty much let me go. It was very strange but for about 4 months they kept telling me that my test did not show my medicines or it showed not enough of my medicines, Etc.

As I said earlier, I worked in this industry full time for several years and still do when called upon sometimes, designing the drug tests themselves and tried to teach the staffs of these labs how to understand the data which they are incredibly unqualified to interpret.

I will say this in plain english: YOU CANNOT EXTRAPOLATE ANY RELIABLE INFORMATION ABOUT A DRUGS QUANTITATIVE OR TEMPORAL DOSE PARAMETERS FROM A URINE DRUG TEST. A whole blood or serum test would be required to make any determination about your dosing from the results. There are scientific papers all over the medical and scientific journals supporting this conclusion. Most doctors I dealt with had to have this explained to them and I would send them copies of the studies



To your issues with the tests coming out wrong. I will explain how this industry works. The tests are run and results released by technicians which require absolutely zero training (in both their schooling and licencing exams) in the technology used for these tests (LCMS and GCMS). These data is not that simple to interpret and put out a result, you have to have half a brain. I've met technicians that were smart enough to learn on the job how to read this data. For many of them (more than half i would say) it is simply beyond their intellectual capabilities. They've been working in labs that do this testing for a decade and still have no idea how to read the data.

Many labs don't even have a human reading the data (this would take way too long for the amount of samples they run) thus the data is processed and your final result released by software. It is impossible for this software to be totally accurrate (it actually makes lots of mistakes), so a human should check any results that are in disagreement with what a patient should or shouldn't be taking, many labs don't spend the time to do this (or don't have staff that can) and release bad results.

The amount of bad results and unqualified personnel in this industry is very disturbing. Labs require a "director" which is usually an MD that has never visited the lab and with zero knowledge of of the science being used to aquire these results. He signs off on highly technical "validation" experiments (which I conducted) which support that the tests are working properly, without absolutely any clue as to what he is signing. The instruments are highly sensitive, breath on them wrong and they get out of tune, by that point I'm long gone and nobody in the lab has any clue that the results are coming out wrong or how to fix it. The validation data I gave the MD to sign, It could have been totally made up data and they won't know the difference. They get paid 2000$ a month for their signatures like this, PER LAB. I only ever came across one lab that had PhD in analytical toxicological chemistry as a director (this is what you want). I was so distrubed by what I saw consulting for various labs that I wrote a 3 page letter to the state board the licences individuals to conduct these tests, explaining what the situation is. The letter when ignored. I also wrote to state senators about this but they said they couldn't do anything about it.

As to the business side of things - its such a scam and I won't elaborate further right now



I don't know what can be done about this, but something has to be done to address the fact that patients lives are being ruined because of this bad testing.
 
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I always knew drug testing was a shady practice but i didn't know it was that bad LSDreamr. I really hope it's a once in a while thing because my insurance is not gonna cover it and i can't afford to be tested every time i walk in the door, even if it is only every 3-4 months.
 
Thank you for the detailed explanation LucidSdreamr. At least now my suspicions have been validated....the lab is overrun with monkeys.

The lab that my urine is sent to currently even charts out where I fall on a made-up curve for my Methadone. I guess my doctor understands all this but it makes me nervous that some mistake like the one at Lab Corp will get me kicked out. The more I'm tested the more chances they have to really screw up my results.

A couple of the results from the test that got me kicked out of clinic #1 were pain meds and sedatives they used on me for a nerve burning procedure and were not medicines you could just buy off the street, but I picked them out of a bowl of pills passed around at a party I never attended *sigh*.

Unfortunately it damaged my marriage and eventually we got divorced because he called me a drug addict. He had access to my medicines in my lockbox and knew what I took but his logical mind decided the tests had to be right. It was sad and if those tests had not constantly come up with strange results we would still be married. 27 years down the toilet thanks to Lab Corp.

Anyway, now I'm more nervous than ever. When I see my doc next week I'm going to read thru some of my results to see if I see anything really wrong. I hate that I have to go through this. I'm not too far from 60 years old and I still have to stress over this crap.
 
^Wow that's so fucked up, i'm sorry to hear that. I can't wait for the war on drugs and this "opiate crisis" to be over.
 
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