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Poppy Seed Tea Withdrawal Is Hell

Dude - don't apologise! Whine if you need to - we understand, we get it, and it sounds like you have nobody else to vent to that understands.
Don't feel like you need to keep up appearances or whatever; it's understandable if you feel like shit.
 
@Spacejunk: Thanks for the support and advice. I do feel like crap, but I think it is time for some mind over matter. Power of positive thinking, good karma, chi, whatever. I think I have just accepted that I feel bad and have been hoping that one day I will wake up and everything will be fine. I think I need to push myself a little harder even though I don't feel like doing anything. That feels more like the guy I used to be and not the guy I have been these past few years. That attitude makes me feel better--at least today anyway. Tomorrow I may wake up crying like a 5 year old...
 
Whether you wake up crying like a five year old or not, you have an amazing and healthy attitude to cope with it.
Keep it up man - you're amazing and you will get there :)
 
Day 14. At 7:00 tonight it will have been exactly 2 weeks since I last drank any PST. And, no desire to ever drink it again at this point. While I feel about a million percent better than I did the first week, I am still not back to 100%. I might be hitting 60%, but every day seems a bit better. Actually slept from 11pm to 4am and 6am to 7am (6 total hours!) so I feel more rested and alert today. My legs are tired and sore, but I think that is mostly because I have been forcing myself to workout and walk more than I have in the past 4 years. Mornings seem to be the worst for some reason. Seems like the first few hours after getting up, I feel more anxious and depressed and it takes a couple of hours to get my head on straight. May still be sleep related or maybe my brain still working to repair itself--I abused it pretty hard for 4 years so why would it do me any favors and hurry? Attitude is improving a lot each day as the light at the end of the tunnel gets bigger (hopefully it is not an oncoming train...) as I decided I am going to push forward on my terms regardless of how bad I might still feel. Kind of feel if I want things back to normal, I need to make that happen instead of just waiting for it. I am meeting a friend for lunch who is a recovered alcoholic and has been dry for 12 years. He almost lost everything in the process but eventually got his shit back in one pile. I am not sure I am ready to share what I have been through with anyone I know just yet, but he would definitely understand.

Had kind of a funny thing happen yesterday at work. I actually made it to a weekly planning meeting which is the first one I have felt like attending in about 3 years--I simply just stopped caring and it is my own company. Everyone was surprised when I walked in. Anyway, one of our big customers requested we complete a difficult project for them and the group felt that it was too challenging and we would fail at it. I was shocked, and said something like "This company does not shy away from challenges. We find solutions and we make our customers successful in the process. That's what our fucking mission statement says. If you guys can't figure this out, I will find a team that can." And then there was like 30 seconds of dead silence as everyone stared at me. And it occurred to me that their expressions didn't say "What a fucking asshole". Their faces said "Where in the hell has this guy been" (or probably, 'Where in the hell has this asshole been'). So, we figured out a plan to complete the project.

Little things like that are happening everyday as things become more clear. I think when I jumped off into withdrawal, I had unrealistic expectations of what was going to happen. I thought I would feel shitty for 2 or 3 days, my head would clear in a couple more and then bang, I was back to me. Nope. I have never went extreme cold turkey from anything before so I really had no baseline. I had read that PST WD was longer than most and that length and strength of use affected it, but I think I was in denial. I tend to be somewhat impatient and want things done quickly. Well, PST recovery works on its own schedule--it has been 2 weeks and I am still not well. All you can do is lean into it and hope that the next day is better than the one before, which it usually is. Not to get too philosophical, but I guess the lesson I have learned is that recovery is not so much about winning the war, but winning battles. And, if you win enough of them, eventually you may win the war.
 
Day 15. Rough night last night which is frustrating. Seems like for every night I get some sleep, it is followed by one that I don't. Makes it hard to focus and stay positive since it is so relentless. Trying to keep telling myself that this is a process and it will take time, but the insomnia is just crippling since I feel absolutely exhausted. Legs also feel especially tired and weak today as well, but I am going to force myself to exercise and do some yard work today (which I hate BTW). Overall, though, I am feeling better each day and all I have to do is compare where I am to where I was a week ago to know things are slowly improving--just not as quickly as I would like.. Appetite and digestion seem to have returned to normal. Cold feeling/chills are gone. No headaches. I still have flashes of anxiety and depression occasionally--mostly in the morning or at night when I can't sleep. Still having a ton of congestion/drainage but sneezes seem to be down to 4 or 5 at a time instead of 10 or 12.

Had lunch with my friend yesterday which was a good time. His battle with alcohol did not come up (why would it?) so I did not feel the need to talk about my little problem either. He did say I looked really tired--Really? Can't imagine why. The waitress asked if we wanted to start with a couple of beers and my buddy told me it was OK if I wanted to get one. For a split second I felt a wave of fear as my brain processed that--Would I become addicted to alcohol if I had a drink at this point? Would I start withdrawals again? Jesus, the past 2 weeks must have really traumatized me. I ordered a glass of water.
 
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Hey op sorry to hear still having trouble sleeping . Have you ever heard of or tried the sensory deprivation floats? They are pretty popular where I live and are popping up everywhere. You soak in a huge tub of warm water filled with 1000s of pounds of Epsom salts . They help with anxiety , addiction, muscle back pain. You float in darkness with or without light yoga type music for an hour. It's amazing and I highly recommend.
 
@Larimar: Thanks,I will look into that. I have a friend that owns a yoga studio that I think may have one.
 
Day 16: Sleep issues continue which is something I really did not expect--or did not expect to last this long. I have given it my best shot, but I have decided to schedule a doctor's appointment and see what they can do. I really don't want any heavy duty sleep meds or anti-psychotics, but hopefully there is something mild that will help. I really don't want to trade one habit for another, and I don't want to add anything that might slow down the recovery process. But I have reached a point where I am barely functioning mentally and having weird visual hallucinations out of the corners of my eyes--kind of like dark flashes every once in a while. I can keep pushing myself physically to exercise and keep moving, but I am so out of focus mentally and just seem to collapse after any activity. Seems like my body is willing to do what is needed to return to normal, but my brain is refusing to go. Kind of a weird internal battle raging. I know the drug use had a greater effect on my brain than my body, so it makes sense it will take longer to repair it. I know it is the chemistry that is out of whack and will take time to stabilize, but it just seems that my brain would want to sleep to help the repair process.

But, aside from feeling exhausted and tired, most of the physical symptoms have passed. Legs feel weak/tired but not achy or restless. Congestion is about gone, with only occasional sneezes. If I could get the sleep thing under control, I think I would actually feel really good right now.
 
Day 16 is when I started feeling better after quitting suboxone. The doc gave me seroquil for a while and boom started getting sleep.
your a soldier man!! It’s truly great what you have accomplished.
 
@Beenbetter: Thanks for the encouragement. Can't get into the doctor for 2 days which is depressing, but maybe the insomnia will start to improve and I can cancel the appointment. My doc usually doesn't just prescribe drugs without trying to figure out what is causing the problem (and we all know what is causing the problem...). My guess he will want to do some lab work and send me to a sleep specialist before handing out meds. But maybe not if I tell him I am near comatose from lack of sleep and need something short term. Guess I'll find out.
 
This is an amazing journal. As someone who has been on heavy duty since 2010, with probably almost a year of that spent in withdrawals, what you're doing is insanely impressive. I can't believe you threw away your seeds. Very few have the stones to do that, I wouldn't. I've never made it past 100 or so hours of cold turkey. Then again my habit is/was much heavier than yours.

When you come out of it you may find you don't remember exactly how bad the withdrawals were, after a while. If you find this happening, beware. It's the first step to seeing addiction/using as "not that bad". I know with how bad they are now, it seems inconceivable you'd ever forget the horrors. You won't forget, but there will be a cloud hiding all the darkest parts. It might take a year, it might take a decade. Be wary.

My absolute number one piece of advice is: exercise. Once you've healed a little and gone from cold turkey to PAWS. I would highly recommend both cardio and lifting, at least 4-5x /week. You have time. You're not that old. Fucking do it. Intense weight training has been the only way I've ever pushed back the tide of opiates by any considerable amount. It works wonders for healing your brain, and considerably relieves anxiety, restlessness, and insomnia. If you need advice on exercise or nutrition, please ask, or better yet, message me. I'll give you better advice than 8/10 "personal trainers", and for free.

Congratulations. I've met countless addicts at every stage: beginners, hopeless street fiends, in rehab trying desperately., and stupid and clean. You have more willpower than the vast majority. Very few ever survive cold turkey, let alone with a stash within their reach. This says great things about your chances, but no one is invulnerable
 
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@RedRum: Thanks for the advice and support--it truly does mean a lot. I have been forcing myself into more exercise and activity. I've probably worked out more in the past week than I did in the past 4 years. Given my back and neck issues, I have to be careful with lifting, but low impact cardio and hitting the Elliptical seem to work. It is a start anyway. Also, been really trying to eat better. A lot of veggies/salads, lean meats, berries, good fiber, low carbs. I've cut out most caffeine and sugar in an attempt to get my sleep patterns back on track, but so far that does not seem to be having any effect. As I noted above, I think I would feel incredible if I could just get some decent rest.
 
Day 17: Still not sleeping...think I slept from 12am to 1am and 6am to 7am. No more than a couple of hours. Had kind of mini panic attack last night as I was staring at the ceiling--just a huge on-rush of anxiety as I was wondering if I would ever sleep normally again. Started to worry that I have permanently screwed up my brain chemistry and this is what I have to look forward for the rest of my life. Got up and walked around the house and managed to calm myself down. Awful feeling, though, like you have lost all control over everything at once. Going to the doc tomorrow to see what he says. As BeenBetter noted above, I may have to just tell him what is causing the problem if I want any type of sleep meds. Otherwise he is going to do blood work, CT Scans, sleep studies, lobotomies, and whatever else to try and figure out the insomnia problem. I doubt any of those tests will show dopamine angst or low serotonin levels which is obviously what is going on in my head right now. No doubt, my brain is working overtime to re-wire itself and it is forfeiting sleep in the process.

Again though, I want to emphasize that even though I feel exhausted and mentally cloudy, I can feel huge improvement every day physically. I can't say that I have a ton of energy given the lack of sleep, but even without it I am able to find the juice to take long walks, exercise, and work on overdue projects around the house. It is a very strange scenario: My brain is telling me that I don't have the energy to do anything and should just lay on the couch, but once I get up and get moving, my body seems take over.
 
Dude, honestly - i can totally relate, and that fear of never sleeping again really fucked with my head.
I know you don't want to take any heavy sleep drugs, but seroquel is about the only thing that helped for me.
I would never usually suggest people use anti-psychotics unless they need them, but inmy experience, you need more than a subtle sleep aid - and man, you feel so much better after you've slept.
Actually, after i took seroquel and slept all night, my sleep started returning to normal.
It's like it flicked a switch...

Congratulations. I've met countless addicts at every stage: beginners, hopeless street fiends, in rehab trying desperately., and stupid and clean. You have more willpower than the vast majority. Very few ever survive cold turkey, let alone with a stash within their reach. This says great things about your chances, but no one is invulnerable



^ This! You're a fucking strong-willed guy. Really - what you've done is fucking impressive.
And i totally agree with this
 
Day 18. Actually slept for 6 hours straight last night. (Not a surprise since it’s what usually happens when I schedule a dr.’s appointment—I start to feel better.) Maybe I should have did it last week…Regardless, I felt really good when I woke up. Hit the Elliptical for 30 minutes at a higher resistance and managed a dozen crunches (going to be so sore tomorrow…).

I think the word that we all strive for in recovery is “normal” and I would say today is about as close as I have felt to that in a long, long time. My guess is that the insomnia is still going to haunt me for a while and I think I can accept that if I can get a good day for every bad one I have. I believe the good ones will eventually outnumber the shitty ones if I keep pushing forward.

Went to the doctor anyway as I was way past due for a physical. As expected he wants to do some lab work, EKG, and stress tests which is good since I have not had any done for about 4 years. I did not go into the opium/withdrawal reasons for the insomnia. He did write me a script for a dozen Silenor which he said was very mild and should help me stay asleep. He did say if I could get by without it, to do it because they are not addressing the actual problem, just the symptom—the goal is to cure the problem naturally. He’s a smart guy, and is right. Unfortunately, the only natural cure for the problem I have is time. Challenge accepted, I guess.
 
Your a tough guy. There's no way I could of done what you did. I think your going to make it just fine
 
I?m so naive, I didn?t even know pods were a thing. Can?t imagine anything worthwhile could be found due to strict regulations!
 
iamgollum-
just read your posts start to end. You have an inner strength that is amazing. I thought that what I went through was rough, but I think you topped me by a long shot. Congratulations on your progress!
You wrote that the good ones (Days) will eventually outnumber the shitty ones. You're right. You'll feel better more often before too much longer. Insomnia is one of the last symptoms to go away. It seems to work the same way - a good night, a bad night, then two good nights and one bad one - then three good ones... Believe me, it does get better and you will feel good again.
You really impress me - I believe you can get through this. Believe in yourself and your ability to make your future brighter and happier.

"Before you judge a man, first walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares - he's a mile away and you've got his shoes" :)

Dale
 
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