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Tackling depression with ketamine

I'm sure they serve a purpose.

I will be content to abstain from their use. If they help others that's great.
 
^honestly it took me a a LOT of experimentation with them over a decade basically before I really learned how to appriciate their unique action. The breakthrough was me when I first used them for detoxing heroin. Blew. My. Mind. Free passes are so rare even with the best of what modern medicine has to offer.

And per the above posts, like I said, from what I understand something like 2/3 or 2/3 of people will use them once or twice and never again. On BL we have a larger population of diss-heads, for obvious reasons. I’m not trying to imply there is anything whatsoever wrong with abstaining from the use of dissociates. Nothing wrong with that at all.

I’ve valued using them and abstaining from their use myself. The potential for serious harm when not used properly is beyond potentially immense.
 
Hopefully, with the advances in ketemine research(and findings), MXE will be brought back into play.
 
Hopefully, with the advances in ketemine research(and findings), MXE will be brought back into play.

Likely will stay out of the medical scene. MXE tends to cause life threatening OD's more often than ketamine (ketamine is a very, very safe drug, extremely hard to OD on)
 
Agreed, plus it is was less consistent in terms of effect than ketamine IME.

Then again, I’d love to see it regulated somehow other than via criminalization.
 
ketamine can stop suicidal thoughts, study finds

Just read this article on NBC news:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/club-drug-spray-ketamine-can-stop-suicidal-thoughts-study-finds-n866446

Probably nothing new to most BL'rs but it is interesting to see this reported in the mainstream news. This article references specifically the following study which is very promising:

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2018.17060720

I feel patients could be better helped if the cloud of depression is lifted enough to let psychiatrists and counselors help. Anyone who has ever been depressed knows how difficult it can be to follow well-intentioned advice when suffering from major depression. The ketamine spray may be enough to get the patient to go for a jog, prepare a healthy meal for themselves, or confront some difficult aspect of their situation that is causing them seek a way out which can go a really long way towards getting the person unstuck.

If nothing else, I like the idea of trying a ketamine nasal spray for its recreational value which the paper provides a recipe for though I imagine it'd give me terrible "nose-rings" as the spray solution dries.
 
Fairly disappointing results in my personal life. Racemic ketamine is decent; s-ketamine is much more psychedelic and is fairly unpleasant, lacks euphoria. I never wanted to do it again.

serotonergic psychedelics, salvia, marijuana are all much better mood lifters

still fairly suicidal and sick of living. wouldn't care to give ketamine another shot (pun intended)
 
hey personally, i was getting ketamine from somebody and it was so fun,, but you have to do it in moderation, cuz i was in the k hole 5 days a week at my IT job.....for about a month.....sitting at my desk not doing anything.....nice thing about IT and drugs.
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i found s-ket euphoric, definitely think there is a lot of potential with this substance in the future of anti-depressants
 
For those it helps, it’s a very powerful thing. I wish they’d have this kind of protocol for longer acting NMDA antagnists though.
 
For those it helps, it’s a very powerful thing. I wish they’d have this kind of protocol for longer acting NMDA antagnists though.
It is. I've IM'd methoxetamine while heavily suicidal and it totally reversed it. It seemed so crazy to want to kill myself five minutes later it was absolutely insane that there were other solutions I could try etc etc. Obviously it doesn't last forever but it pulled me away from the ledge when I was very ready to jump. Multiple arylcyclohexamines have helped alleviate depression and suicidal thoughts for me. It's amazing but easy to want to get heavy into. Moderation is key!
 
drugs prevent suicide because they are worth living for

Kind of/not really.

Every time I hear someone with a bunch of $ having killed themselves I often wonder why they didn’t go on a massive meth binge

But that’s just my addict brain talking.
 
Kind of/not really.

Every time I hear someone with a bunch of $ having killed themselves I often wonder why they didn’t go on a massive meth binge

But that’s just my addict brain talking.

I KNOW! I have always said this. Why kill yourself when you can get high?
 
Ketamine May Ease Depression By Acting Like an Opioid, Study Suggests

Ketamine, once known primarily as a club drug, has in recent years gained legitimacy among some scientific experts as potential therapy for hard-to-treat depression. It works faster than antidepressants but wears off fairly quickly, and the health consequences of taking ketamine over months and years is so far unknown. The drug is FDA-approved as an anesthetic, and several academic centers across the U.S. run ketamine clinics; private ketamine clinics run by doctors have also sprung up.

But new research points to what could be a major drawback of the drug. It seems to behave like an opioid in the brain, which experts worry could set patients up for dependence.

The small study, published Wednesday in the American Journal of Psychiatry, suggests that ketamine may work as an antidepressant by activating the body?s natural opioid system, which controls pain and reward responses. The results, the authors write in the study, ?provide strong justification for further caution against widespread and repeated use of ketamine.?

The study, which was led by researchers at Stanford University, was small and preliminary, and the results need to be replicated in future research. But if ketamine actually does work like an opioid, according to an accompanying editorial, patients who take the drug for depression could become addicted to or dependent on it, just as with other opioids. ?We would hate to treat the depression and suicide epidemics by overusing ketamine, which might perhaps unintentionally grow the third head of opioid dependence,? writes Dr. Mark George, a professor of psychiatry, radiology and neuroscience at the Medical University of South Carolina, in the editorial.

Previous research has suggested that ketamine eases depression by targeting the brain?s glutamate system, which is involved in memory and learning. But the researchers behind the new study wanted to test the drug?s effects on opioid receptors.

To do so, they gave 12 adult patients with treatment-resistant depression a placebo, followed by a ketamine infusion. On another occasion, the same patients took ketamine, but only after first taking an opioid blocker. Seven of the 12 patients saw marked improvements in depression symptoms a day after taking ketamine and the placebo ? but none of the patients saw similar-scale reductions in depression after first taking the opioid blocker, suggesting that ketamine may work, at least in part, by activating the opioid system. (Both groups experienced the dissociative, or hallucinogenic, effects of ketamine.)

The results were so stark that the researchers ? several of whom have financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry, including to companies working to find depression treatments modeled after ketamine?s effects ? stopped the trial early, according to the paper.

Ketamine isn?t the only psychedelic drug potentially finding new life as a medical treatment for mental health disorders. Studies have suggested that psilocybin (a compound in psychedelic mushrooms) and LSD could be used to treat anxiety and depression in some people.


Source: http://time.com/5381387/ketamine-opioid/
 
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