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Opioids Treatments for symptoms of opioid withdrawal?

I know you're scared of psychedelic experience - but iboga is NOT a traditional psych. It's a dissociative mostly, and as such is much easier to tolerate, less scary on the mental side of things. I saw a lot of crazy shit, at no point did I feel threatened. Just my .02

Really? But, I don't know. I have heard about people going insane on PCP and doing horrible things. I don't know how I'd react. I get very scared about going psychotic when I smoke Cannabis, and if that is anything like it, I probably would be very scared of losing my mind.

I used to be so adventurous. I felt the truth would always lead to a good place, and being honest was never the wrong thing. Now I have turned into one of those people I used to think just didn't understand. And maybe I don't. Maybe I am all wrong, and mixing things up, and making all my own problems. I never thought I would become scared of looking into my own mind. But that's what has happened, ever since that stupid bad trip, when I decided I couldn't believe that the fear was an illusion, and I gave into it.

I knew it would ruin my life if I did. I had always promised myself I would never believe what happened on a trip. Never give in to the fear. But I couldn't help myself. I was too frightened.

After that terrible night, my life gradually disintegrated. I lost the ability to read. Everything I had built up, which required regular tending, all my abilities and insights, decomposed, just like a plant which isn't watered. I instinctively knew it would happen, and so it did. It was like being bord again, but not a good birth this time, but a very awful birth. In many ways, I am still just a child now, whereas I was much more evolved when I was 19.

As I gave in, I actually felt myself falling from a great, great height, like I was all the way up in orbit around earth, and I fell all the way to the ground.

The I Ching saying, "Not light but darkness. First he climbed up to heaven, then he plunged into the depths of the earth." has always reminded me of what happened back then. I don't know why it happened, or if there is a way back - I don't know how anything, no matter how good or paradisical could ever make up for all that suffering.
 
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Buprenorphine is the most effective of those meds for treating the acute withdrawal. Especially with fent, as kicking that is rather intense. You only will need to use buprenorphine for 4-12 days to treat the acute withdrawal though.

If you just use it for a week you won’t become dependent on it, and you won’t have to then kick the buprenorphine. All taking it will do is to treat the acute withdrawal from your primary opioid if choice. If you only take it for about a week, it won’t prolong withdrawal. It just treats the symptoms when used properly for a detox.

If you’re on 0.1g fent/day, you’ll like need 5-8mg buprenorphine twice a day. Possible more. Possibly less by the same token, but that’s a pretty serious habit. Especially if you inject your fent, you very well might need higher doses of the meds I mentioned.

Tramadol also works well to treat opioid withdrawal, although not so much if you have a formulation that included APAP.

Actually DXM might be more effective than buprenorphine in a certain more subjective or psychological sense, but most people don’t tolerate it well and when someone does it has some uncomfortable side effects. Buprenorphine is more practical.

If forgot it I mentioned it already, but I’d suggest you visit SL and check out our directory there. Lots of info about getting off opioids.

Post detox, do you have any plans for how you’ll move ahead? Going for abstinence from harmful opioid use or are you just trying to dry out for another reason?

Generally speaking you’ll need to do quite a bit to maintain momentum in early recovery (for me it took: methadone clinic for 2.5 years, individual therapist, peer support recovery groups and getting involved with the mindulness movement; it also requires my serious involvement with SL here).

What are your intentions with getting off opioids?

Thank you for your letter and for your input.


I want to stop using fentanyl (or any other opioid), so I can get my mind back. I have always been a loner, and lived mostly inside my own mind. Maybe because of my Asperger's, or maybe because I stuttered very severely when I was a child and in puberty, and so couldn't really join in the social activity like I wanted to. I always wanted to, but I couldn't. So I developed my own world, and my own interests, and that was okay.

But taking all this fentanyl, my mind isn't working. It's gotten a little better over the years - maybe my brain has adapted a little to the constant state of intoxication.

For the first years, my memory was so poor, that I couldn't remember what I had thought about a minute earlier. And my memory is still very poor, but I have learned to live with it, and I compensate a bit by writing things down.

Another ability I lost, was my imagination. I simply couldn't form an image in my head! And since forming images is probably a big part of thinking, that probably also contributed to my inability to think.

So mostly, I want to get out of fentanyl, to make my mind work again, and to be able to think.

But another part, is that I would like to be able to go places with my mother. She is getting old, and I would like to give her hopefully at least a few good years.

And I would also like to lose weight. I have already lost 50 kilogram from when I was alcoholic before I started on fentanyl. But for some reason, fentanyl has always increased my appetite. I eat a lot of biscuits and such. I don't know why. Based on movies, I expected to become thin like a skeleton.



I almost don't dare think about what I would do after getting out of my addiction, because I don't want to be disappointed yet again. But if I were so lucky to ever get out this addiction, and through the withdrawal symptoms, my plan is to take it easy in the beginning, and see what happens. I don't know how I will feel.

But I imagine I just will want to stabilize myself psychologically in some liveable daily existence.

I hope that with a clearer mind, I will get hopefully some of my imagination back, and maybe some sense of humour, and begin to enjoy thinking again. I used to be very curious about many things, which I lost after my bad trip when I was 20, but I have felt it return about 5-6 years ago, but the effects of the fentanyl mean I can't really delve seriously into anything, only see the surface.

If I am able to stay psychologically stable for some months, I hope my energy will improve, and then I "plan" (or hope) to begin to "work" on myself. That's my greatest hope.

I have so many psychological problems, and things I need to work on. But for all the years after my bad trip, I could only focus on staying alive.

It's only maybe 5-6 years ago I began to suddenly feel I was ready to work on myself - to look into certain areas of my psyche, and to analyze and get insights about it, and try to change.

That's my main goal. To be able to work on myself. If that makes any sense?

That's how I imagine it, anyway.

I live with my mother, and I don't work. I can't work, not as I have been and am now. But maybe in the future, I will be in a different position. But I know I have to go through an immense amount of work on myself, before I would ever be able to really function around other people and be able to contribute anything to their lives.

I have a disability-pension from the state because of my Asperger's, so we can make ends meet, so at least I don't have financial worries as yet an obstacle. Money sucks.
 
Okay guys, the issue I've got is that this is turning into a discussion about Opioid withdrawal and how to medicate it and I think it can either be merged or redirected to one of the more concise withdrawal-dedicated threads. I say this for the sake of the users seeking answers in this thread. While I know everyone here has been providing solid advice up until now, I just think we can maybe expedite the whole thread into something more succinct.

Ideas? I don't want to do anything without input from my fellow moderators.
 
Gabapentin is cheap and has little abuse potential. Pain management or psych docs will gladly prescribe it.



Why wouldn't he? Clonidine isn't considered recreational, and gabapentin usually isn't either.

Diazepam might be a problem. Diazepam is a so-called benzodiazepine ("benzo" for short), similar to other compounds of this family, like alprazolam ("xanax"), lorazepam ("ativan") or clonazepam ("klonopin"). The zopiclone you're taking is a so-called "non-benzodiazepine", i.e. a drug that isn't a benzodiazepine in a chemical sense, but produces the same effects as one. You could use the zopiclone to alleviate some of the anxiety produced by opioid withdrawal, but since its half-life is so short (whereas diazepam lasts a long time), you would probably need a lot of it, and you'd be experiencing very unpleasant withdrawal symptoms once you ran out.

Well, my doctor is a woman. She is not very happy about giving me anything which she doesn't feel there is a genuine medical reason for giving me. I think many doctors are scared in this country. It used to be up to G.P.s to prescribe whatever they felt like the patient needed, but it has gotten worse and worse, and today they have much fewer privileges. They can't refer patients to hospitals - they have to refer them to a specialist, who then has to decide if they merit being referred. It can takes months or over a year to get in to see a specialist. And they are much more watched now, about what they prescribe in terms of opioids and benzodiazepines. They seem to have been turned into bureaucrats instead of medical doctors. At least that's how it appears to me, and my doctor in particle is very wary about doing anything to upset anybody above.

I guess I could try to ask her. I don't think it would do any good though. But isn't it possible to get them online somewhere?

For all of my childhood and my adolescence, my uncle was my doctor. It's been a lot more difficult since he died 5 years ago. I am not used to dealing with doctors.

I used to be pretty addicted to the zopiclone. I often felt anxious and tense when I took two 7,5 mg tablets every day. But suddenly, around 4 years ago, I began using only a half tablet a day, and since then, I haven't felt bothered by it. Although recently, I have begun taking one tablet each day. Probably because of nerves because I don't know what will happen to me. If I will get treatment or not, or what will happen in terms of withdrawals, etc.. I have built up a reserve of about 300 tablets, in case they cut me off one day, so I will have some time to maybe find an alternative or to stop using them if I can.
 
Toothpastedog, I forgot to ask you, will using the buprenorphine for that time, as you suggest, make the withdrawal symptoms less intense, or maybe shorter? Because I have read that the withdrawals from buprenorphine are also very uncomfortable.

Is there a reason it must be buprenorphine, or can any longer lasting opioid do to replace the fentanyl? I always thought it was a benefit that the fentanyl was so short-lasting, because it would make the withdrawals over with more quickly, but I am beginning to get the sense that these things aren't related to each other?
 
welll i just went cold turkey from 42 mgs of methadone daily to zero....... i was sick for about five days...... didnt get one bit of sleep until the 3-4 night when i took 3 melotonin and a good amount of phenibut.... just a couple kratom capsules when its really bad too......

I FEEL GREAT..... one month clean after being on methadone for 5 months again this time
 
welll i just went cold turkey from 42 mgs of methadone daily to zero....... i was sick for about five days...... didnt get one bit of sleep until the 3-4 night when i took 3 melotonin and a good amount of phenibut.... just a couple kratom capsules when its really bad too......

I FEEL GREAT..... one month clean after being on methadone for 5 months again this time

:) That's great! Best wishes to you! And thank you for the information.
 
I really know so little about withdrawal.

I recently wrote to a doctor in Sweden, whether it is possible to taper slowly off opioids and thereby avoid withdrawals, and he said one can taper down without withdrawals, but at the end, one will have withdrawals, because of something called "kindling" or neural sensitization. I didn't quite know what exactly he meant by that.

I have wondered for a long time, so I would like to ask if you guys know...

Is is possible to avoid withdrawal symptoms? What if I just took less and less and less, maybe spread out over many weeks? Wouldn't I finally reach zero without ever having gone through the withdrawals?

I have always had the fear that maybe it isn't possible. That maybe some neurological rebound-loop or something could exist, which I don't understand anything about, which would make it impossible to go all the way down to zero - that there would be some sort of limit, below which one couldn't reach without going through withdrawal symptoms.


I don't think I have never quite been able to try it for real - or maybe it was because each time I felt something, like I was beginning to sweat or something, I interpreted it has withdrawals, and I would take some fentanyl. But it would always be too much, and my mind would get blurry, and I would lose my concentration, and clarity of thought, and the will to see it through, and then it would usually only be months later before I would again become clear-headed enough to get my self together to try again. And then the same thing would happen all over again!

But if I knew that it was possible to do it - that I wouldn't have to go through the withdrawals - maybe I would have a better chance of staying through it, instead of worrying all the time about if or when the withdrawals are going to start.



I would also really like to know if there is any difference in the seriousness of the withdrawal one will experience, based on how much one takes?

What I mean is, is there any benefit to trying to taper down one's intake, or will the withdrawals be the same, regardless of whether I stop cold turkey or slowly taper down as low as I can go?

I mean, are withdrawals the same from 100 mg/day fentanyl as they are from 1 mg/day fentanyl?
 
A higher dose will generally lead to more intense physiological withdrawal, and that can indeed be made far more tolerable by a gradual taper.

The thing, though, is that if you've abused opioids for years, there is a significant psychological aspect to it; you've basically conditioned yourself to associate ingesting the drug with relief from your physical or mental pains, so the final jumping-off point will almost inevitably involve some psychological and probably also psychosomatic symptoms.

But still, it is easier than trying to c/t off a high dose of fentanyl through sheer willpower... and for some patients, taking a stable dose of .5 mg of buprenorphine for the rest of their lives is better than going through repeated cycles of forced withdrawals and relapses from heroin or fent.
 
I truly believe it's possible to stop taking your DOC without withdrawal symptoms. Depending on what you take, and how much, it might take longer but there's no reason to suffer at all if you don't want to.

I took Ultram, prescribed, for 7 years. On my next doctors visit he said he didn't think I should take it so long, handed me a script for one month and said See you later. Remember, it's not addictive so why wean me? ?

I weened myself down so that for the last 2 weeks of my plan I took only 25 mgs a day, or half of a pill. I felt no withdrawal, no PAWS, no nothing. I made a plan on how to ween and stuck to it and was rewarded greatly. I guess comfort meds would help people but I truly felt nothing during the dosage drops or when I finished them.
 
It takes over two days before withdrawals set in, which I can't understand, if the half-life is only 6 hours or so. I can't make it fit, but maybe my metabolism is different from the norm, I don't know.

I don't know how it sounds to you guys. I have not been able to square things, but yet there are many indications that it IS fentanyl.
There are many different fentanyl analogues, I want to say around 1,400 known analogues and they all have varying strengths, half lives, action durations, onsets, ect. ect...

EG; Furanylfentanyl is roughly 5 times LESS potent then fentanyl itself 4- Phenylfentanyl is about 8 times MORE potent than fentanyl and of course you have carfentanyl, which is is about 100 times the potency of fentanyl.

So when you're looking up fentanyl's half life to figure out why it's taking so long for wds to kick in, you have to take ^that info into account.

Anyways, if you can get on methadone, I would go that route. But if your docs are going to be transitioning you from methadone to buprenorphine, be careful, Methadone's long half life can make inducting buperenorphine tricky, and can easily result in precipitated wd.

Buprenorphines wds might not be AS hellish as methadone's, but they can last just as long and they still suck !

My advice would be this; If you plan on doing a quick taper/detox (1-2 weeks), use bupe. If you plan on being on a maintenance program for quite some time (1 month +), use methadone and don't even bother transitioning to bupe..
 
I dunno if anyone called this out, but if you're using bupe than there's no reason to use lope except as directed for diarrhea.... You can get PWD going from lope to bupe
 
Toothpastedog, I forgot to ask you, will using the buprenorphine for that time, as you suggest, make the withdrawal symptoms less intense, or maybe shorter? Because I have read that the withdrawals from buprenorphine are also very uncomfortable.

Is there a reason it must be buprenorphine, or can any longer lasting opioid do to replace the fentanyl? I always thought it was a benefit that the fentanyl was so short-lasting, because it would make the withdrawals over with more quickly, but I am beginning to get the sense that these things aren't related to each other?

The buprenorphine will mask the uncomfortable symptoms of fentanyl withdrawal if you take it as I recommended. The RLS, GI issues, malaise, insomnia, it all will be a LOT more manageable by using buprenorphine to treat acute fent withdrawal.

Taking buprenorphine for just a week won?t cause you to withdrawal from it. It isn?t pong enough taking buprenorphine to become dependent, so no withdrawal from that. You may experience some discomfort when you stop the buprenorphine after a week, but that won?t have anything to do with buprenorphine withdrawal, it will just be the tail end of the fent withdrawal.

Pretty much any opioid can use uses for this purpose, to treat acute withdrawal. Codeine, DHC, morphine and tramadol are also commonly used drugs to detox with. However buprenorphine and methadone work the best out of those, as they?re longer acting and easier to dose.

For fent withdrawal methadone is actually a better choice than buprenorphine, but buprenorphine is pretty much the next best thing if methadone isn’t accessible. You’ll probably need 20-60mg methadone per day given your fent habit, but if you go that route start with 20mg and add 10mg doses once ever 90 minutes until you aren’t sick any more. You should be able to feel normal on about 30mg after the first two days.

The upside to a fent habit is that the withdrawal won?t last as long as an equanalgesic dose of another opioid, maybe four days instead of a week to ten. However, the caveat is that fent withdrawal is also a lot more intense than most other opioids. So you?re trading duration for intensity of discomfort.

There is a lot that goes into early recovery though. Treating the acute withdrawal is very important, but do you have any plans after you get through that? Plans to manage whatever health conditions you have plus cravings for opioids and such?

Again, I strongly recommend you do some research through BL on opioid withdrawal. OD and SL have a lot of info in the directories.

We need to update and consolidate the OD directory threads, but it shouldn’t be too hard to find here.

Knowledge is power! Especially when the discomfort of withdrawal is so psychological. I mean, it’s a hell of a lot more uncomfortable when one doesn’t know what is going on or how to treat it. No one should have to suffer through opioid withdrawal given all the useful treatment out there - it might be uncomfortable but it doesn’t need to be hell. However, that requires folks educate themselves about how it all works.

Educating myself and using what I learned made it possible for me to get off 2.5yrs or methadone with very little discomfort. It wasn’t fun, but it was nothing like horror stories you often hear (these are generally from people who didn’t know what to do, were in an impossible situation like a jail that didn’t administer ORT, or otherwise weren’t able to properly transition off).

I dunno if anyone called this out, but if you're using bupe than there's no reason to use lope except as directed for diarrhea.... You can get PWD going from lope to bupe

Depending on the situation, some people need both buprenorphine and loperamide. It isn’t super common, but it happens. Especially if they only have a limited supply of buprenorphine, in that case in particular loperamide can help quite a bit.

But you’re absolutely right, loperamide shouldn’t be taken after buprenorphine unless there is still serious diarrhea a couple hours post buprenorphine.
 
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My advice would be this; If you plan on doing a quick taper/detox (1-2 weeks), use bupe. If you plan on being on a maintenance program for quite some time (1 month +), use methadone and don't even bother transitioning to bupe..

But if I go on a 1 month + program, and you say methadone withdrawal is so hellish, how will I ever get out of it?

About the methadone -> buprenorphine. That's what they have said they were probably going to do. I was also scared about hearing that, because of the longer half-life of methadone, but I didn't know if I was just being scared for no reason. It's worrying to hear you say that it is true after all, that it is not a good route to go from methadone to buprenorphine.
 
You are scared because this stuff is scary, so nothing wrong with that.

Buprenorphine is the ideal medication to use in order to transition off long term methadone. They are now recommending using buprenorphine AT LEAST to treat the acute withdrawal. There is literally zero downside to that.

Getting off methadone is only hellish for people who don’t/can’t get off it properly. A month long methadone detox involves tapering so, it won’t be as difficult as you might think. Comfort meds are still important though.

Methadone and buprenorphine have very similar half lives. Getting off buprenorphine is a little easier because it is a partial agonist. However, for the same reason methadone will be more effective to treat fent withdrawal.

If you were to use either med longer term, if you want to get off later on, you will have to do a taper to avoid unnecessary suffering. That isn’t super easy, but it isn’t super hard either. Plus the time it takes to do a proper taper will give you the time necessary to cultivate the healthy habits you’ll need to rely on in your ongoing recovery.

In either case, taking buprenorphine or methadone for a week or so to detox from fent won’t lead to problems getting off those meds. The real problem is figuring out how to maintain momentum in early recovery after detoxing.

Just to be clear, again, using methadone or buprenorphine for a week to deal with fent withdrawal will not lead to you having to then kick the comfort meds. And if you used methadone to treat acute withdrawal you won’t have to use buprenorphine to get off the methadone, as you won’t have been on it long enough to become dependent.

Then again, spending some time in buprenorphine may be helpful for you to establish yourself in early recovery. Same can be said for methadone. There is a reason ORT is the most effective treatment for opioid use disorder.
 
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Pretty much any opioid can use uses for this purpose, to treat acute withdrawal. Codeine, DHC, morphine and tramadol are also commonly used drugs to detox with. However buprenorphine and methadone work the best out of those, as they?re longer acting and easier to dose.

Oh, okay. I would have no idea where to get buprenorphine from, but maybe I can get another opioid like codeine, I am not sure. What about maybe kratom? Is that good enough?

But, I don't understand, won't an other opioid just take over from fentanyl? Keep the receptors saturated, and not change anything? Won't it just be the new drug that I will have to withdraw from, and get terrible symptoms of withdrawals?


There is a lot that goes into early recovery though. Treating the acute withdrawal is very important, but do you have any plans after you get through that? Plans to manage whatever health conditions you have plus cravings for opioids and such?

Nothing except the stuff I wrote in message #22 in this thread.

I only began using fentanyl, because I was alcoholic for five years, and stopped drinking suddenly - I don't know how I did it, I thought I would never be able to stop. But after I stopped, I had absolutely no energy, and no will to do anything. I could only just get up, eat some food, and go to bed again. For months!

So I thought if I just had some joy one day a week, that maybe it would lead me back to life. So I recalled I tried fentanyl about 10 years earlier, and had had a very joyous experience. I felt that might help me return to life.

It took me about 6 months to get enough energy to bring the plan to fruition. But when I finally got it, it didn't do anything. No euphoria. The only thing I felt was a slight reduction of my anxiety.

But after experimenting with it for maybe a week, I don't recall, when I tried to stop, I found I couldn't! So then I was still totally apathetic, and now had to keep up a habit as well!

Eventually I did get back to having more energy, and getting back to a semblance of a life, but I still had the addiction. And so it is, still.



Knowledge is power! Especially when the discomfort of withdrawal is so psychological. I mean, it’s a hell of a lot more uncomfortable when one doesn’t know what is going on or how to treat it.

That sounds very logical.



No one should have to suffer through opioid withdrawal given all the useful treatment out there - it might be uncomfortable but it doesn’t need to be hell.

You're right. No one should suffer. Not enough is being done. In my country, most don't care whether opioid addicts live or die.




Educating myself and using what I learned made it possible for me to get off 2.5yrs or methadone with very little discomfort. It wasn’t fun, but it was nothing like horror stories you often hear (these are generally from people who didn’t know what to do, were in an impossible situation like a jail that didn’t administer ORT, or otherwise weren’t able to properly transition off).

I hope I can follow your example, and also be helped by those medicines you mention, or effective substitutes.

If I can't get all the compounds, are there any substitutes? For example, can the nasal decongestant oxymetazoline substitute for clonidine? Can phenibut substitute for gabapentin? Sorry to make it so difficult.

Thanks so much for your help, Toothpastedog.
 
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If you were to use either med longer term, if you want to get off later on, you will have to do a taper to avoid unnecessary suffering. That isn’t super easy, but it isn’t super hard either. Plus the time it takes to do a proper taper will give you the time necessary to cultivate the healthy habits you’ll need to rely on in your ongoing recovery.

Is it also possible or beneficial to taper down fentanyl? I guess it must be? Or is it best to do it directly and quickly with buprenorphine/methadone, as you have described?


In either case, taking buprenorphine or methadone for a week or so to detox from fent won’t lead to problems getting off those meds. The real problem is figuring out how to maintain momentum in early recovery after detoxing.

Just to be clear, again, using methadone or buprenorphine for a week to deal with fent withdrawal will not lead to you having to then kick the comfort meds. And if you used methadone to treat acute withdrawal you won’t have to use buprenorphine to get off the methadone, as you won’t have been on it long enough to become dependent.

Okay, but I still don't understand it. I thought one opioid was the same as another. Thar you can be on heroin, then take methadone, then oxycodone, and then back to heroin, and never know the difference? I don't get why it would act like I was being abstinent from the fentanyl. Wouldn't the methadone just keep me as addicted to opioids as I was on fentanyl, and have the withdrawals waiting for me later on when I stop taking the methadone as comfort medicine?

Maybe I don't understand the fundamentals well enough.
 
If kratom is legal where you are (no in Thailand, the UK or Aus), that is a good bet. Codeine works quite well for this, but you should only use codeine without APAP, so unless you can get codeine without anything else in it you would have to do a CWE, and that makes it just complicated enough to make kratom a more practical alternative.

What Id hope you were doing is working with a doctor on this. Any chance you could find a medical professional to support you? Most don’t know shit about treating opioid withdrawal, so finding a good one might take a couple tries and you’ll probably have to advocate for yourself and educate them unless you’re lucky.

Different opioids have different binding affinities to opioid receptors. In other words different opioids bind in slightly (sometimes not so slightly) with opioid receptors in different ways. As the opioids you’re currently dependent leave your system, your body will have to start producing more endogenous endorphins to compensate for the lack of input of exogenous ones (ie opioids). That depletion of exogenous endorphins is what causes withdrawal, your body adjusting to produce more of its own endorphins.

There is some cross tolerance between opioids for sure, but it still would take time for you to become dependent on an opioid you aren’t currently using. So another opioid will serve as a stopgap, allowing your body a bit more time to equalize, as you’re only dependent on particular opioids right now, and your body is only used to the particular binding properties of fent. Basically substituting another opioid with different binding properties helps you adjust more slowly to a new baseline. It’s basically that different opioids create differebr dependencies, despite affecting the same primary neurobiology. It’s just like how diazepam is used to detox people from other benzos or alcohol.

In terms of comfort meds, again I highly recommend working with a doctor. At a very minimum, no doctor in their right mind wouldn’t prescribe gabapentin and clonidine for opioid withdrawal. In its own that won’t solve your problems, but it’s a hell of a lot better than nothing.

It would be worth trying to taper the fent. If you’re able to do that it’s worth doing (reduce dose at no more than 10% each 4-7 days). The catch is that fent being so short acting it’s pretty difficult for most people to do that. I’ve known folks who have tapered off or using the patch, but if you’re using powdered fent or something it will be more difficult.

There are some OTC meds that can help, depending where you live. If codeine is avaliable that’s a good enough option, but again I’d suggest you find a buprenorphine doctor. Or even just a month long methadone detox - that would probably be the easiest and more accessible and safe solution for you.

If you’re super desperate DXM is the only OTC comfort med (outside codeine). Down side is most people don’t like DXM, it has a lot of potential interactions and side effects, and under the influence you won’t be capable of doing much. That said it’s anazing the relief that comes from treating withdrawal withcand NMDA antagonist like that. IF you to that route, see how you react with only 100-150mg. You’re likely to need more to really manage all the symptoms, but it will give you an idea whether you want to go that route.

300-600mg DXM/day for four days to treat the fent withdrawal works well if you can tolerate the DXM’s effects/side effects.

I still encourage you to do your research. I’ll be busy today, but let me know if you want help with that.
 
That was a horribly imprecise explanation of the neuroscience of opioid withdrawal btw, but for our purposes here it is a good way of looking at it.
 
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