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People on prescribed painkillers do not end up buying heroin when their doses are adequate, are not cut off dramatically or entirely, which is what leads to fentanoin. At least in my province, there's very little H, most people are in there because of the 6 months we had without Oxycontins and Oxy IR's/Supeudol were preserved by those who had them until OxyNeo came out, which is so crappy, 6-7 generic companies make Oxycodone-CR which is the same thing as the old Oxys.

There was a survey at my ORT clinic one could take on the phone and speak with someone doing their PhD memoir/book about drugs and opioids maintenance. She's on our side after all the testimonies of the like "I was fine with a 20mg OxyIR every 6 hours for combined pain issues X,Y, my doctor retired without referring me to another doctor or the closest pain clinic was 2 hours away...which is true, there was only one in my whole hometown area and region, not in the "big" 200k people town, but in a small town of 25k close to 2 hours away in the countryside. Now they have one at our hospital, where my ORT clinic is too and soon there will be a second.

This is backwards thinking. People will have to accept some people will be on opiates for life. Like those who take Lithium for life, etc. All of this shit caused by Purdue fooling doctors in changing people's Percocet or Percodan script to Oxycontins because it's less addictive...Well, in a way, yes, 20mg Oxycontins was way enough for me, sure I was getting them from somebody who's a pain patient and pain patients tend to stick together and exchange pills and all, so he had extra stuff to sell, but he knew I was in pain and had no GP and no Maxilofacial-Dentist Surgeon/painkiller provider if the surgery is too dangerous, which all 3 maxilofacials and 2 neurologists said to me, you could end up with an eye that doesn't close, there's a hell lot of nerves coming out from the TMJ area..So I took their advice, the neurologist I saw only gave me a couple scripts of Fiorinal with Codeine for the really bad pain I would get and some Relpax, despite not being Dx'd with migraines...they kind of helped, but what really helped was when my old GP who retired had me on Codeine Contins 200mg with a Percodan (well Oxycodan, no more brand name for these here and I was already having tylenols so much that he preferred giving me Percodans, up to 2 a day. I was fine with that.

More pain-sufferers shaming, it's like Trump cutting special aid that was finalized in 2014 for WTC first responders and lower manhattan residents who developed all kinds of things not only asbestos explains.

Got that article in my Firefox "Pocket"....I think I'll deactivate it, cos I told it about the kind of news I wanted to receive and it's not the first time I get one that pisses me off this much. It's Ontario's ex bitch of a PM who went on an anti-oxycontin war and now Ontario which wasn't that known for heroin, in Canada, Vancouver was the opiate den, but now southern Ontario is as bad, and of course it's rarely just H. Also H is weaker than some pharms, I never hear any whining about that, other than back in the early '00s when "concerned" journalists called it Hillbilly Heroin.

Yeah right, when my guy couldn't get oxys anymore in any form, I started on Dilaudid, it worked well snorted for me, and logically it did, because it was the brand name Dilaudid, which are really tiny things, not the PMS ones which are fat even the 1mg ones, getting a shot was even difficult with the 4mg ones as it would leave a lot of crap behind in the sterile cup, only the 8mg generics were worth it..and not many people can grab 8mg dillies, generic or not, got some twice and that was a lucky one.And we also have easy to abuse Hydromorph Contins and the 18-24-30mg ones are pretty expensive, and you need to know what you're doing to inject those, doesn't prevent idiots from snorting the beads uncrushed. That was the closest to heroin I ever felt, apparently the rush is even stronger when IV'd, but that's all there is, 10 mins later you're half-sober and there's no Opana here other than if prescribed (extremely rare) and made in a compounding pharmacy and of course they only make 20mg and 40mg mega-protected from abuse pills like the 6 versions or however many there were in the US for Opana ER, seems like they changed the composition of the pill until it was literally iimpossible without a lab to get the oxymorphone out, which is much stronger than heroin, yet people who would never buy heroin in the streets take Opana and it's only improving their lives.

My bet is some sort of new age sociologist wrote that article, reminds me of my mom who says "the brain is stronger than any diseases".........I hope so for her, but I can't wait for her to see that's BS, like everyone else thinking like that.
 
I can see how this might be useful for people to learn some form of pain acceptance while also being treated with medication but suggesting that it's a solution to the opiate epidemic is ludicrous.

The article said that people who accept their pain very little or not at all are at higher risk for overuse of pharmaceuticals and heroin. Well what the fuck do they think is gonna happen if they stop giving these people pain medication? They'll be pushing people to use heroin and possibly to suicide.

This could be useful for helping people with their pain if the studies end up supporting this treatment but using this as the sole treatment for chronic pain is just cruel. I can see it now, "sorry we can't give you pain medication for your double amputation until you go through 3 years of pain acceptance therapy."
 
Yeah, I can see why it might help in practice for those with chronic pain, but to be honest I'm pretty dubious, being a chronic pain patient myself. Wait..no I can't. Its just telling people 'suck it up and learn to like it'

Which is why I think this sort of thing needs to be stamped on hard, before it gets out of hand, and shitcanned. Because if it gets promoted at all then its going to get used as an excuse not to give people in need pain meds. I don't NEED to be fucking lectured to 'accept' my pain. Because regardless of my opinion on the matter, my pain isn't interested in my thoughts about it, its going to be there and be painful regardless what I think.

What I NEED, is analgesia, and enough of it so I can go about my business and be able to walk, be able to lie down, to sleep, stand for prolonged periods etc.

If I can't stand for a long time, or spend time hunched over a bench-top, wearing a gas mask, goggles, blast shield etc. then I can't work. I've already got doctors badgering me because they want to slash my pain meds, for fucks sake, accusing me, yes, accusing me, of being on massive doses of pain meds and blah blah blah blah elephant meds..blah blah..too much..blah blah..overuse...ignoring the fact that they think I'm taking the morphine orally, which I haven't been able to since day one, I've had to shoot, or esterify and shoot. Since they neglect entirely the fact that oral morphine has a BA of about 20%-25%.

I have had to go onto the streets before because of it, although my contacts are now gone, all of them killed, as best I can tell, a
very short time after some really strongly fent-laced gear arrived. I'm the only one of the group of dealers, users, go-throughs that is still alive. And thats doubtless because of a combination of having an excellent digital balance in my lab, and that I am well aware of issues like fent, the guy I went through usually, he'd never heard of it, although I explained it to him after he warned me about that batch of bags being phenomenally potent (not talking smoking a 20 bag to get a hit, but rather, about half the size of a rice grain, carefully cut from the rock of gear and smoking that. Even such a tiny amount was enough to knock me sideways, and whilst I had a tolerance that would allow me to IV a gram of dipropionylmorphine+rail or plug quite a lot of oxy on top of it.

So now, not off the street, but I've had to 'upgrade' the likes of dihydrocodeine OTCs to dihydromorphine esters, or morphine to dipropionylmorphine, or diamorphine, dibenzoylmorphine at a pinch. Why should a bloody chronic pain patient be hassled, while he is waiting to see the pain clinic specialists, to the point where he's left having to stock up on mitragynine, NMDA receptor antagonists, take cimetidine and drink loads of grapefruit juice and bloody slave over beakers and boiling flasks of fuming acids, spend the time preparing triphenylphosphonium bromide and getting it into xylene solution and heating it to drive off anhydrous HBr...just to serve as insurance, in case my doctor springs a cut on me without my consent that I can't stop and don't know if its coming, or if it is, when?

I don't think they should. Just because a pain patient is also on a lot of other meds, so fucking WHAT? they might be on other meds as well for a REASON, maybe? just possibly? because they might be doing something that they need to be done? And yes, I'm on a permanent script for chlormethiazole, but unless my seizures stop of their own accord and never come back, then I need to take the seizure prophylaxis and response pack additional doses of the stuff. Don't know why they are complaining, since I've found no physical dependence formation, no addictiveness nor any other such shit, not even tolerance. Unexpected in the extreme, from a barbiturate-like GABAa agonist, but its the way things are. And if it works, it works, what reason can there be to change something that is A-needed and helping and B-doing no harm whatsoever.
 
Come on man. Pain acceptance? It's okay. Really this chronic pain is not so bad, it lets me know I'm alive. :|
 
Quite. I wonder if the same doctors would be so in a hurry to accept the pain if I were to wear caustic-soaked gloves and poke my fingers in their eyes. Oh, your corneas are melting off, doc? well heres some eyewash prescription, now, if you start screaming in agony, don't forget, you need to embrace the pain, after all we don't want you having all those awful side effects if you take anything stronger than paracetamol'

The ONLY time I could see anything like this being of use would be end-of-life counselling, when people are still receiving all the opiates they need and more if they want 'em, to help the dying, but otherwise, fuck this shit. (and if it isn't obvious, when I said 'I can see where they are coming from etc. etc. etc.' before, I was being snarky.) Whoever came up with this shite needs my foot up their arsehole.
 
why don't heroin addicts have to accept withdrawal and heroin addictions but instead get methadone? we could at least do the same for innocent pain patients
 
^again, that is a highly misleading statement. Pain patients might not be being treated very well right now, but I guarantee you heroin users are treated faaaaaar worse by the system.

The system is pretty messed up for everyone though, not arguing about that. Saying that the way pain patients are being treated is because of junkies though, that simply misleading. They’re treated this way because of specific policies specific politicians have decide to enact.
 
i should throw my life away by accepting pain when opiates exist?...because others are irresponsible with them? fuck that shit. thats pure insanity. I want to live just as much as those people ODing and dying's family wants them to
 
I probably would have been wiser not comparing suffering. Folks on pain meds are in a pretty crap position right now, as they have largely been since the early 1900s, with the exception of maybe a decade or two around the turn of the 21st century when they were being largely given out a little too liberally.

It’s just a shit situation all around. No reason any pain patient or drug user should suffer... well, outside politics and racism I mean :\
 
There are some really good writing out there on the history of opioids prescriptions out there. It’s only one short section, but Chasing the Scream covers a bit of the early history.

Does anyone know of any books or work on the history of prescribing opioids? I’m most in 1900-1980 right now.
 
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