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5-MeO-MET - 16mg+6mg - Oral - First Time - "Moxy Meets MET"
Experience:
Lots of different RC, classical, and oddball psychedelics.
Intention:
5-MeO-MiPT hasn't been as widely available as I like. It also lasts longer than I sometimes enjoy. It would be nice to find another material in the same category of experience, but with a shorter duration and period of tolerance. Very interested in vaporization, but want to try this at 15mg orally (+booster) first.
Background:
Tested this compound at <1mg ten days ago because I couldn't reagent test something this rare. No effects. 7 days since my last psychedelic experience, and that was with a 4-MeO-MiPT, so minimal tolerance expected.
Feeling a little spacey as I always do after an afternoon of involuntary shopping. I ate a healthy, well-balanced breakfast and lunch today. While my last meal was three hours ago, I don't feel hungry. House smells a bit nauseating from cactus tea vapors, but it's not too bad.
I've cut out caffeine in the last couple of days, so I'm feeling extra groggy and am suffering from the beginning of an annoying withdrawal headache. Took 1g of acetominophen at 2pm to head that off at the pass (an unfortunate confounding variable, because it has its own weird cognitive effects on me.) I took 13mg of 3-FMA at 7AM to compensate for the lack of caffeine, and that has worn off, leaving me sleepy. Mood otherwise good. 5-MeO-MET isn't my ideal choice for the day, as I'd rather spend time with a PEA ally, but I needed to make the time to evaluate it sooner rather than later.
Experience:
2:56 PM - Parachuted 16mg with soda water.
3:01 PM - Alert: a little frisson of energy
3:06 PM - My stomach whispers a secret doubt to itself about what I consumed.
3:12 PM - Think this is onset
3:22 PM - 5-MeO-MiPT-like, but lots lighter. Some suggestion of tension in the solar plexus, some mild nice feels in the body, slightly stoning. Tiny hint of caffeine-like edge at outside the feeling of swaddling comfort. Could stand to bump up the dose now as planned.
3:27 PM - Parachuted 6mg more, along with 400mg of magnesium oxide for what I feel like might be some muscle tension arising. Stimulation is growing, as is a feeling of eroticism, cool like 4-AcO-MET, but straight from the perineum through the genitals and straight up the central channel of the body. Subtle, but very nice. Might not have needed the booster dose. Oh well, hopefully it doesn't make for awful side effects or an obnoxious duration.
3:33 PM - Effects already much stronger. ++ Less euphoric than 5-MeO-MiPT, more stoning, but still very nice. Would love to be involved in erotic endeavors, but that's not in the cards. Think I might be getting hungry, although that could be nausea. Tactile enhancement is getting stronger. I feel like I should be getting visuals now based on the intensity of the body high and the stoniness. Very nice. I'm languid, yet energetic. It has a hint of the positivity of 5-MeO-MiPT, too, but manifesting more as a lightness of spirit rather than as a primal emotional warmth.
4:00 PM - I definitely did not need the booster - I think 15mg might be the sweet spot, close to my 5mg sweet spot with 5-MeO-MiPT. It's stimuating enough that it could be anxiogenic at this level, but hasn't proven to be. It's properly psycholytic, although still superficial and metacognitive rather than cosmic. It feels kind of like meditation--I can easily silence my conscious cognitive processes and inner monologue. Still, I can feel the drug rooting around deeply in my mind, something I associate with psychedelics that provide long-term anti-depressant action regardless of therapeutic insight induction.
I have a little bit of shoulder tension. Still can't tell if I'm hungry or nauseated. Strong ++. No longer super erotic, as I'm tripping pretty hard, like 10mg+ 5-MeO-MiPT terrain. Still enjoyable despite the overstimulation. This is actually a pretty good material, and I'm glad I tested the waters up to here to see what it is capable of, although for most purposes I'll go lower in the future. Nitrous was a wild experience on this, it took me really far out there for a long time.
4:05 PM I vaporize some CBD to try and take the stimulating edge down a notch or two. Glad it's got the 5-MeO-MiPT backbone to prevent anxiety.
4:10 PM - Communication is stil surprisingly easy. Definitely tremory--my hands are vibrating quite a bit. For someone who doesn't like stimulating psychedelics, it's suprisingly...I won't go so far as to call it enjoyable, but it's more than tolerable. I take 10 drops of a highly concentrated sublingual CBD extract.
4:14 PM - CBD already a nice addition. I think this is like 5-MeO-MiPT - starts sensual, eventually becoming psychedelic in a second phase. That's why I ended up redosing too soon before recognizing its potential. That said, if this has a therapeutic afterglow, it might be the least threatening molecule I've yet come across for creating the cognitive disruption needed to help my brain without risking a difficult experience. Apart from the stimulation, this is pretty easygoing.
4:21 PM - I'm a little bummed that my friend chose to take 5-MeO-MiPT instead of this, as I would have enjoyed being in the same space as him (of course I won't tell him that now. I was peaking when he asked, or I might have been able to arrive at this conclusion.) Decided I'm ravenous, so I'm eating some cheezits. I'm still a little jumpy at noises - glad I'm not one to stay adrenalized. I think I've started the plateau. There's still nothing really at all in the way of visuals, except while on nitrous (which were drawn out and unique.) I don't think this would be safe to combine with MXE, sadly, but I bet it would be nice with ketamine or other combination safe dissociatives. Like 4-AcO-MET, the experience is incredibly clearheaded, making me feel like I need to be engaged in an activity rather than passively engaging with the space. While it's not couchlocking, going out and about seems entirely possible, but not fun at this dose. Strangely, it doesn't feel like much of a sensory or experience enhancer in the way that 4-HO-MiPT and 5-MeO-MiPT both are.
4:37 PM - Vaped some more CBD. Stimulation is annoying without a way to channel it. Need to play a video game or something. The CBD is nice, brings back the euphoria. Just put on headphones with some upbeat tunes, which is nice, but not immersive. Walking upstairs feels tired every time I do it--weird, since I usually take the steps two at a time.
4:46 PM - Time dilation in effect for sure. Some light visuals beginning to manifest. At a strong ++. This is exactly what you'd expect the 5-MeO-MiPT version of metocetin to be. It's pretty great stuff. Still wish I'd taken a lower dose. Beginning to contemplate a benzo, not particularly seriously, for the tiresome restlessness. Finding myself feeling a little overwarm and sweaty at times on this material. Strangely, my pupils are still not dilated at all.
4:50 PM I keep flirting with becoming anxious if I write, walk, game or do any of the things my excess energy wants to be unleashed through. I don't really want to lay back and attend to the experience fully, but doing so lets me channel the energy into euphoria instead, letting my mind and internal diagonal disappear into a space of euphoric peace and brilliantly lit expansiveness. I'm getting only a hint of open eye visuals, well other than the feeling that the world outside my house is lit with an astonishing, a magnificent brightness in the evening sun. I'm fairly sure I haven't been able to keep my eyes closed long enough to test for CEVs.
I'm pretty sure I'm ravenous, but can't be bothered trying to prepare a snack. Apart from hunger, there are no side effects other than mild muscle tension, occasional chest tightness, anxiogenesis if not channeled, and mild overheating. That's a remarkably light body load, lighter even than 5-MeO-MiPT. I don't even have any gas!
5:47 PM - Sex was fantastic even though neither of us was in the mood or mindset. I might rate it as highly as 5-MeO-MiPT, although it's not a crowd pleaser. 5-MeO-MiPT produces an feeling of raw and primal physicality, intoxicating tactile pleasure, and emotional connection. Wonderful, but clearly an intoxicating feeling. 5-MeO-MET is much more like 4-AcO-MET: clear, sharp, and unflinching. I enter into intimacy with eyes wide open. All distractions and little subterfuges are blown away, making me a more honest and enthusiastic participant than I've ever been sober. That clarity and honesty is erotic in its own transformative and powerful way. It makes me grateful that I'm sincerely enthusiastic about my relationship. While I feel like 5-MeO-MiPT could enhance mediocre sex between any partners, I got the distinct impression that only honestly good sex could survive the spotlight shown by 5-MeO-MET. Sex either evened me right out finally, or I've past the peak.
I'm still starving, despite eating an entire box of cheezits.
6:50 PM - Been on the downswing, the after-effect plateau ala 5-MeO-MiPT. The two are very similar in many respects. I haven't felt vulnerable (like, gory movies didn't bother me), but I didn't enjoy dystopian stuff, as it was a buzzkill on my lighthearted mood. At this point, I still wouldn't drive, but I could see myself being functional enough to in another hour or two easily.
7:24 PM - Snorted mg of 2C-B an hour ago as a nasal spray. No effect. Honestly, the erotic component of this evoked what I imagined 2C-B to be like before I tried it (and realized it was something else entirely.) It's like adult metocetin, allowing you to be fully clear and present, a total enthusiastic participation somehow more total than achievable while sober. There was nothing clouding or distracting.
8:25 PM - Getting sleepy, mostly down. Keep yawning. I can tell that there is still some feeling of it in the body, but it's not a restless body energy like most psychedelics.
9:30 PM - Went to bed, sleeping by ten despite the body energies. Woke at 6 AM, well-rested, with no afterglow or anti-depressant activity noted (just like 5-MeO-MiPT)
Conclusion:
Structural similarities don't predict effects all that often, but in this case they did for me. This felt remarkably like what I would have imagined the moxy version of metocetin to be: crystaline mental clarity, brightly lit vision, cool mental and emotional valences, lightness of spirit, stimulation, lack of depth, pleasurable body sensations, and eroticism. It was a surprisingly nice material, one I think will be worthwhile to me, but eccentric and hard to categorize like its 5-MeO-MiPT twin. Side by side, 5-MeO-MiPT is unquestionably more enjoyable, but I think this is valuable nonetheless.
In the future, I think I will explore this at 10mg, bumping to 15 perhaps. Who knows, maybe I'll be a lightweight and be able to go lower. After one experience with each, I found this to be much more rewarding than 4-MeO-MiPT -- for one, this one was for me undoubtedly psychedelic, if limited to metacognitive realms.
I would have liked to describe my nitrous experience more, as it was amazing. Unfortunately, while I thought it would be nice to add in to a light experience, it actually bridged the two phases of the experience. I went into the nitrous space during the erotic come-up and emerged in the psychedelic portion, as if it were 5-MeO-MiPT. I was too absorbed to be able to record something as amnesiac as a nitrous experience, and had to recalibrate to the new state.
I look forward to vaporizing this. The shorter duration would be nice, as would the easier dose titration. I'm a bit nervous about the rush of stimulation, though; I think the dose will have to be kept very low to start for my comfort.
Tagged by Xorkoth
substancecode_5meomet
substancecode_tryptamines
explevel_firsttime
exptype_positive
exptype_glowing
roacode_oral
Experience:
Lots of different RC, classical, and oddball psychedelics.
Intention:
5-MeO-MiPT hasn't been as widely available as I like. It also lasts longer than I sometimes enjoy. It would be nice to find another material in the same category of experience, but with a shorter duration and period of tolerance. Very interested in vaporization, but want to try this at 15mg orally (+booster) first.
Background:
Tested this compound at <1mg ten days ago because I couldn't reagent test something this rare. No effects. 7 days since my last psychedelic experience, and that was with a 4-MeO-MiPT, so minimal tolerance expected.
Feeling a little spacey as I always do after an afternoon of involuntary shopping. I ate a healthy, well-balanced breakfast and lunch today. While my last meal was three hours ago, I don't feel hungry. House smells a bit nauseating from cactus tea vapors, but it's not too bad.
I've cut out caffeine in the last couple of days, so I'm feeling extra groggy and am suffering from the beginning of an annoying withdrawal headache. Took 1g of acetominophen at 2pm to head that off at the pass (an unfortunate confounding variable, because it has its own weird cognitive effects on me.) I took 13mg of 3-FMA at 7AM to compensate for the lack of caffeine, and that has worn off, leaving me sleepy. Mood otherwise good. 5-MeO-MET isn't my ideal choice for the day, as I'd rather spend time with a PEA ally, but I needed to make the time to evaluate it sooner rather than later.
Experience:
2:56 PM - Parachuted 16mg with soda water.
3:01 PM - Alert: a little frisson of energy
3:06 PM - My stomach whispers a secret doubt to itself about what I consumed.
3:12 PM - Think this is onset
3:22 PM - 5-MeO-MiPT-like, but lots lighter. Some suggestion of tension in the solar plexus, some mild nice feels in the body, slightly stoning. Tiny hint of caffeine-like edge at outside the feeling of swaddling comfort. Could stand to bump up the dose now as planned.
3:27 PM - Parachuted 6mg more, along with 400mg of magnesium oxide for what I feel like might be some muscle tension arising. Stimulation is growing, as is a feeling of eroticism, cool like 4-AcO-MET, but straight from the perineum through the genitals and straight up the central channel of the body. Subtle, but very nice. Might not have needed the booster dose. Oh well, hopefully it doesn't make for awful side effects or an obnoxious duration.
3:33 PM - Effects already much stronger. ++ Less euphoric than 5-MeO-MiPT, more stoning, but still very nice. Would love to be involved in erotic endeavors, but that's not in the cards. Think I might be getting hungry, although that could be nausea. Tactile enhancement is getting stronger. I feel like I should be getting visuals now based on the intensity of the body high and the stoniness. Very nice. I'm languid, yet energetic. It has a hint of the positivity of 5-MeO-MiPT, too, but manifesting more as a lightness of spirit rather than as a primal emotional warmth.
4:00 PM - I definitely did not need the booster - I think 15mg might be the sweet spot, close to my 5mg sweet spot with 5-MeO-MiPT. It's stimuating enough that it could be anxiogenic at this level, but hasn't proven to be. It's properly psycholytic, although still superficial and metacognitive rather than cosmic. It feels kind of like meditation--I can easily silence my conscious cognitive processes and inner monologue. Still, I can feel the drug rooting around deeply in my mind, something I associate with psychedelics that provide long-term anti-depressant action regardless of therapeutic insight induction.
I have a little bit of shoulder tension. Still can't tell if I'm hungry or nauseated. Strong ++. No longer super erotic, as I'm tripping pretty hard, like 10mg+ 5-MeO-MiPT terrain. Still enjoyable despite the overstimulation. This is actually a pretty good material, and I'm glad I tested the waters up to here to see what it is capable of, although for most purposes I'll go lower in the future. Nitrous was a wild experience on this, it took me really far out there for a long time.
4:05 PM I vaporize some CBD to try and take the stimulating edge down a notch or two. Glad it's got the 5-MeO-MiPT backbone to prevent anxiety.
4:10 PM - Communication is stil surprisingly easy. Definitely tremory--my hands are vibrating quite a bit. For someone who doesn't like stimulating psychedelics, it's suprisingly...I won't go so far as to call it enjoyable, but it's more than tolerable. I take 10 drops of a highly concentrated sublingual CBD extract.
4:14 PM - CBD already a nice addition. I think this is like 5-MeO-MiPT - starts sensual, eventually becoming psychedelic in a second phase. That's why I ended up redosing too soon before recognizing its potential. That said, if this has a therapeutic afterglow, it might be the least threatening molecule I've yet come across for creating the cognitive disruption needed to help my brain without risking a difficult experience. Apart from the stimulation, this is pretty easygoing.
4:21 PM - I'm a little bummed that my friend chose to take 5-MeO-MiPT instead of this, as I would have enjoyed being in the same space as him (of course I won't tell him that now. I was peaking when he asked, or I might have been able to arrive at this conclusion.) Decided I'm ravenous, so I'm eating some cheezits. I'm still a little jumpy at noises - glad I'm not one to stay adrenalized. I think I've started the plateau. There's still nothing really at all in the way of visuals, except while on nitrous (which were drawn out and unique.) I don't think this would be safe to combine with MXE, sadly, but I bet it would be nice with ketamine or other combination safe dissociatives. Like 4-AcO-MET, the experience is incredibly clearheaded, making me feel like I need to be engaged in an activity rather than passively engaging with the space. While it's not couchlocking, going out and about seems entirely possible, but not fun at this dose. Strangely, it doesn't feel like much of a sensory or experience enhancer in the way that 4-HO-MiPT and 5-MeO-MiPT both are.
4:37 PM - Vaped some more CBD. Stimulation is annoying without a way to channel it. Need to play a video game or something. The CBD is nice, brings back the euphoria. Just put on headphones with some upbeat tunes, which is nice, but not immersive. Walking upstairs feels tired every time I do it--weird, since I usually take the steps two at a time.
4:46 PM - Time dilation in effect for sure. Some light visuals beginning to manifest. At a strong ++. This is exactly what you'd expect the 5-MeO-MiPT version of metocetin to be. It's pretty great stuff. Still wish I'd taken a lower dose. Beginning to contemplate a benzo, not particularly seriously, for the tiresome restlessness. Finding myself feeling a little overwarm and sweaty at times on this material. Strangely, my pupils are still not dilated at all.
4:50 PM I keep flirting with becoming anxious if I write, walk, game or do any of the things my excess energy wants to be unleashed through. I don't really want to lay back and attend to the experience fully, but doing so lets me channel the energy into euphoria instead, letting my mind and internal diagonal disappear into a space of euphoric peace and brilliantly lit expansiveness. I'm getting only a hint of open eye visuals, well other than the feeling that the world outside my house is lit with an astonishing, a magnificent brightness in the evening sun. I'm fairly sure I haven't been able to keep my eyes closed long enough to test for CEVs.
I'm pretty sure I'm ravenous, but can't be bothered trying to prepare a snack. Apart from hunger, there are no side effects other than mild muscle tension, occasional chest tightness, anxiogenesis if not channeled, and mild overheating. That's a remarkably light body load, lighter even than 5-MeO-MiPT. I don't even have any gas!
5:47 PM - Sex was fantastic even though neither of us was in the mood or mindset. I might rate it as highly as 5-MeO-MiPT, although it's not a crowd pleaser. 5-MeO-MiPT produces an feeling of raw and primal physicality, intoxicating tactile pleasure, and emotional connection. Wonderful, but clearly an intoxicating feeling. 5-MeO-MET is much more like 4-AcO-MET: clear, sharp, and unflinching. I enter into intimacy with eyes wide open. All distractions and little subterfuges are blown away, making me a more honest and enthusiastic participant than I've ever been sober. That clarity and honesty is erotic in its own transformative and powerful way. It makes me grateful that I'm sincerely enthusiastic about my relationship. While I feel like 5-MeO-MiPT could enhance mediocre sex between any partners, I got the distinct impression that only honestly good sex could survive the spotlight shown by 5-MeO-MET. Sex either evened me right out finally, or I've past the peak.
I'm still starving, despite eating an entire box of cheezits.
6:50 PM - Been on the downswing, the after-effect plateau ala 5-MeO-MiPT. The two are very similar in many respects. I haven't felt vulnerable (like, gory movies didn't bother me), but I didn't enjoy dystopian stuff, as it was a buzzkill on my lighthearted mood. At this point, I still wouldn't drive, but I could see myself being functional enough to in another hour or two easily.
7:24 PM - Snorted mg of 2C-B an hour ago as a nasal spray. No effect. Honestly, the erotic component of this evoked what I imagined 2C-B to be like before I tried it (and realized it was something else entirely.) It's like adult metocetin, allowing you to be fully clear and present, a total enthusiastic participation somehow more total than achievable while sober. There was nothing clouding or distracting.
8:25 PM - Getting sleepy, mostly down. Keep yawning. I can tell that there is still some feeling of it in the body, but it's not a restless body energy like most psychedelics.
9:30 PM - Went to bed, sleeping by ten despite the body energies. Woke at 6 AM, well-rested, with no afterglow or anti-depressant activity noted (just like 5-MeO-MiPT)
Conclusion:
Structural similarities don't predict effects all that often, but in this case they did for me. This felt remarkably like what I would have imagined the moxy version of metocetin to be: crystaline mental clarity, brightly lit vision, cool mental and emotional valences, lightness of spirit, stimulation, lack of depth, pleasurable body sensations, and eroticism. It was a surprisingly nice material, one I think will be worthwhile to me, but eccentric and hard to categorize like its 5-MeO-MiPT twin. Side by side, 5-MeO-MiPT is unquestionably more enjoyable, but I think this is valuable nonetheless.
In the future, I think I will explore this at 10mg, bumping to 15 perhaps. Who knows, maybe I'll be a lightweight and be able to go lower. After one experience with each, I found this to be much more rewarding than 4-MeO-MiPT -- for one, this one was for me undoubtedly psychedelic, if limited to metacognitive realms.
I would have liked to describe my nitrous experience more, as it was amazing. Unfortunately, while I thought it would be nice to add in to a light experience, it actually bridged the two phases of the experience. I went into the nitrous space during the erotic come-up and emerged in the psychedelic portion, as if it were 5-MeO-MiPT. I was too absorbed to be able to record something as amnesiac as a nitrous experience, and had to recalibrate to the new state.
I look forward to vaporizing this. The shorter duration would be nice, as would the easier dose titration. I'm a bit nervous about the rush of stimulation, though; I think the dose will have to be kept very low to start for my comfort.
Tagged by Xorkoth
substancecode_5meomet
substancecode_tryptamines
explevel_firsttime
exptype_positive
exptype_glowing
roacode_oral
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I am considering trying this one at 5mg today to get a feel for it. I am extremely sensitive to 5-MeO-MiPT, 2mg is a good light dose that is enjoyable and desirable (though up to 8 or 10mg is also good if I want a full-on trip). I don't have a lot but I do have enough for a low dose and a full dose.