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Will the opioid epidemic spread to Europe?

FlyingDutchman342

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The US and Canada are facing an opioid crisis that doesn't seem to get better.
Will the epidemic reach Europe (including all consequences: Fentanyl-laced heroin, drug deaths, etc.)?
Is there already a serious opioid problem in your home country?
 
It's more easy here to buy "b" than a weed but the difference between England for example & the USA is they way our medicine is funded (imo)
 
Yea, doctors in Europe are pretty tight-fisted with opioid prescriptions nowadays...
Despite that, could heroin use increase stronly in Europe (even without over-prescribing oxycodone/etc.)?
 
Yea, doctors in Europe are pretty tight-fisted with opioid prescriptions nowadays...
Despite that, could heroin use increase stronly in Europe (even without over-prescribing oxycodone/etc.)?

Last Afghan crop was 90% upon last years amount & as we know they supply over 80% of the world, go do the maths.
 
Can't really see that happening. The US saw a rise in opioid use because of widespread oxy scripts and pharmaceuticals being much more socially acceptable than heroin.

In the UK the most common pharmaceutical opiate you will find is codeine. Maybe dihydrocodeine or tramadol. If you're really lucky maybe you can get oral morphine.

Oxycodone and other strong pharma opiates are simply not widely prescribed here. And I see no reason a new wave of users will suddenly pick up smack habits without being introduced to it by pharmas first due to the stigma around heroin use.

One US drug trend we have picked up though is Xanax abuse and pressed bars flooding the streets. Benzos are definitely making a big comeback.
 
Short answer, no. As already covered our doctors are very hesitant to offer opiates let alone strong ones ( unless you're in hospice or have cancer)

Also, big pharma doesn't has its icy fingers in every damn pie going on this side of the pond. We're certainly not getting them "pushed" on us. Much to our chagrin :\
 
No way with prescription opiates in the UK, most Brits dont even know what great highs things like oxycontin offer and doctors are swines when it comes to prescribing them and love leaving people in pain because of the scrutiny of addiction. But we have alot of fentanyl deaths now in places like Hull and imo if people enjoy codeine they might wanna graduate to something stronger and better (especially if their tolerance builds) if things like oxycodone become more well known and popular which is slowly happening

PS there should be a codeine-only pill available OTC as many are going to hospital with paracetamol OD's and messing up their liver (also a result of doctors abusing medical power and being immoral when it comes to denying people opiates in the NHS)
 
Are you kidding? You literally have to by dying to get opiates here unless its like co-codamol or something like that. There is no way in hell that we will ever have an opiate epidemic as in my opinion Europe are sensible in their prescription of them unlike the USA who hand out oxygen for back pain. Even though opiates aren't that great for back pain over longer term. That said I was prescribed codeine phosphate for endometriosis and its hell coming off it. I wish it was never prescribed.
 
It depends entirely upon what you think "the opioid epidemic" is.

Personally, i don't blame prescription drugs or doctors entirely for the problems that are happening in north america. I mean, obviously in the US lots of people got sucked in by readily-available oxycodone (among other Rx painkillers) years ago, and have had to resort to the black market - but to me, the real issue is the flood of ridiculously cheap fentanyl analogues coming out of china. There will always be people addicted to junk in one form or another - and i guess the availability and social acceptability that oxycodone once had in the states helped create something of the perfect storm when the influx of fent analogues followed.
Fent and its analogues cause massive tolerance among addicts, and are so potent that they are very dangerous to handle - and virtually impossible to dose safely - especially when mixing it with a 'cut' and sold as heroin.

"Opioid epidemic" is a media term which i think means different things to different people - but there are parts of Europe which have had serious problems with fentanyl and its analogues for longer than north america (estonia, i think, has been incredibly hard hit)

I mean, pharmaceutical painkillers may have laid the foundations of the problem in the USA, but the bigger problem (at least as i see it) is the huge death toll which is the result of extremely potent RCs.
Estonia was one of the first countries to be flooded with fentanyl, so i guess you could suggest that europe already has been affected.

What Canada can learn from tiny Estonia's huge fentanyl problem

THE CANADIAN PRESS
Jaan Vaart remembers the summer that fentanyl hit Estonia.

Already addicted to heroin, Mr. Vaart recalls being only vaguely aware that his dealer was giving him something new. He was more concerned about getting his fix.

If the high from fentanyl felt familiar, the difference between this new drug and heroin soon became clear.


"I overdosed two times that week," he says, "and a third time later that month."

He knew from friends and from what he saw in the news that people were dying, and he wanted to stop. Instead, he grew more hooked. Soon he was using it up to six times a day. He dropped out of school and became isolated from his old friends and family. To feed his addiction, he turned to crime. Eventually, he ended up in prison.

Of all the former Soviet republics, Estonia might seem the least likely for Mr. Vaart's story to have taken place. The tiny country, perched on the Baltic Sea next door to Russia and looking across to Finland, is a beacon of success in a region of political and economic instability.

It is among the world's most wired countries and is recognized as one of Europe's most important incubators for high-tech startups. A member of the euro currency zone since 2011, it is consistently ranked as one of the European Union's fastest growing economies.

But it also outperforms in a far darker measurement: Estonia has the European Union's biggest fentanyl-abuse problem.

Unlike Canada, where the deadly scope of the fentanyl crisis is only now coming into focus, Estonia has been dealing with the problem for more than a decade. The country's response – which was slow off the mark and only became focused specifically on fentanyl after the crisis drew the world's attention – could offer a cautionary tale for Canada, where a Globe and Mail investigation has found governments of all levels have been similarly slow to act.

Though there are differences between the two countries' experiences, the bottom line is the same: Without intervention, fentanyl kills people at an alarming rate.

After communism

The problem began in the late 1990s as hard times came to large swaths of Russia and its former satellites after the fall of communism. Although Estonia as a whole was charting a promising course, some areas of the country – such as the northeast – were hit hard by the collapse of its industrial base.

It was an environment ripe for drug dealers to exploit. By 1999, between 15,000 and 20,000 people in the country of 1.3 million were hardened heroin addicts, fed by a reliable supply from the poppy fields of Afghanistan. Most were male, and most were under 25.

The following year, when the Taliban imposed a ban on opium, the supply to the former Soviet republics was cut off. To fill the void, dealers began production and street distribution of synthetic opioids. "China White" and "White Persian" – street names for fentanyl and its molecularly similar cousin 3-methylfentanyl – were pushed to users who could no longer get heroin.

Almost immediately, there was an epidemic of overdose fatalities.

In 2002, 105 fatal overdoses from illicit drugs were reported – 90 per cent caused by fentanyl. Over the next 10 years, the toll topped more than 1,000, again almost all from fentanyl or 3-methyfentanyl, giving the country the highest overdose death rate per capita in the European Union. In 2012, when 170 deaths were reported, it became among the highest fatal overdose rates in the world.

Estonia is not the only European country to have been struck with a fentanyl crisis, but it is a "special case": According to a 2015 report from the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, fentanyl use there has become what the centre calls "endemic" – a permanent situation with no end point.

But why have users in Estonia not returned to heroin, when the supply channel from Afghanistan has been restored for at least 10 years?

"It's what they call the million-dollar question," says Aljona Kurbatova, head of the Infectious Diseases and Drug Abuse Prevention Department at Estonia's National Institute for Health Development.

She believes the situation is likely supply-related – orchestrated by the traffickers.

"The dealers realize it's easier to traffic and package fentanyl than heroin … and so they strictly control the market in favour of fentanyl," she says. "Even though drug users themselves say they would prefer heroin, it's simply not allowed [by dealers] in Estonian markets."

Others are not convinced the market explains everything. Katri Abel-Ollo, an analyst at the Estonian Drug Monitoring Centre, suggests that some fentanyl users in Estonia may have developed an addiction that does not easily allow a return to an alternative drug.

"One intravenous drug user told me that after fentanyl, heroin was like pure water to him," Ms. Abel-Ollo says. "They have no interest in buying heroin any more because they need much stronger doses after fentanyl use."

A lost decade

Almost all fentanyl users in Estonia inject it, though a small group of users inhale it. So in addition to the overdose deaths, the country's widespread intravenous drug use presents other stubborn challenges.

Estonia has the European Union's highest HIV infection rate, with more than 1 per cent of the population HIV-positive – seven times the rate of neighbouring Finland. Hepatitis C, a sometimes-fatal infection of the liver passed along easily through the reuse of dirty needles, is also rampant. One study in Tallinn found 94 per cent of fentanyl users were hepatitis C-positive.

The initial public-health response in Estonia was not to fight fentanyl abuse specifically, but to combat the exploding injection-drug problem in general. A needle-exchange program first appeared in 1997, and the first methadone drug-substitution program arrived in 1999. But these were small-scale efforts, and the services were only available in certain regions, Ms. Kurbatova says.

Only in 2004 did harm-reduction services become widely available – with a large amount of funding over four years from the Global Fund, a public-private partnership that serves as the world's largest financier of programs to combat AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria. In addition, there was funding for more widespread non-pharmacological treatment, such as cognitive behaviour therapy.

A more focused response specific to fentanyl did not arrive until 2012, when the number of overdose deaths brought media attention from around the globe. Police cracked down on fentanyl, and naxolone, an antidote for overdoses, was introduced the following year.

The efforts have brought some success. The rate of new HIV cases has fallen to about 300 a year, from about 1,500 in 2003. In recent years, there have been fewer overdose deaths – unofficial estimates from 2015 suggest only 84 fatalities – but the rate remains the highest per capita in Europe.

But Ms. Kurbatova laments the country's slow response.

"We lost a decade," she says. "In the 1990s, when drug injection began, we decided to neglect the problem. Had we introduced evidence-based policy that had been tested by many countries around the world – like substitution treatment and efficient HIV testing – we would have saved a lot of people that we lost."

Looking forward, she says, more needs to be done for fentanyl users, who, in the most recent 2009 estimate, numbered 6,000.

"Naloxone is a good short-term fix, but it is not enough in itself. It prevents a death, but then what? An overdose is a moment in a user's life when he rethinks about the value of his life and his behaviour. And then you need to be able to motivate, to offer possibilities of treatment," Ms. Kurbatova says.

She also thinks Estonia needs to be prepared to experiment with new treatment strategies. "We don't know whether heroin-assisted replacement would work in the context of fentanyl, but with our situation, it needs to at least be considered," she says. This would involve the government itself issuing controlled levels of heroin to users, a concept that has been shown to improve lives for unregulated heroin users in other parts of Europe, including the United Kingdom and Switzerland.

For many, any government action may come too late, as some fear there's a far more ominous reason for the slowing deaths.

"Another possible explanation is that a generation of drug users are simply dying out," says Gleb Denissov, who, as head of the Estonian Death Registry, has had a front-row seat to the crisis over the past decade. "And this group is not being replaced by new users."

Statistics suggest this as a compelling explanation. One study showed that between 2005 and 2009, the percentage of people between the ages of 15 and 44 who use injected drugs decreased from 2.5 per cent to 0.9 per cent in Estonia. It's a possible indication that news users may be decreasing.

Even more telling is that the average age of overdose deaths has shifted over a decade – in lockstep with the aging of the epidemic itself. Whereas in 2002, the average age of overdose victims was 24, in 2014 that age had increased to 33. It is perhaps not just that fewer users are dying; it's that there are fewer around to die.

If this explanation is accurate, it offers some hope. It suggests that programming is working to prevent people from becoming fentanyl addicts, and that an end to the fentanyl crisis is possible.

But it also suggests that there is a block of the population that has been consumed by the drug, a lost generation that cannot escape fentanyl and is dying out over time.

Jaan Vaart is lucky he's not among them. His life changed a few months after he was released from prison. He overdosed one more time, while at a job he had. He woke up to paramedics trying to resuscitate him, and he took off. The ridiculousness of the scene – literally running from the people who had just saved his life – made him realize how low he had sunk.

He joined Narcotics Anonymous. After some setbacks, it stuck, and it has for the past 12 years.

Now 41, he is an addictions counsellor sharing his experiences with people who are trying to find a way to leave fentanyl.

But he is also concerned about the generation ahead.

"If I would say one thing about the future of drugs in Estonia it's that even if naloxone has solved a bit of the problem of overdosing, it has not solved the problem in the long run," he says.

"The dealers, they have other drugs. I'm sure they introduced more than a 100 different types in Estonia last year. It's not about the drugs. You need to deal with social factors, the psychological factors, the spiritual factors that lead people to drugs."
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"The dealers, they have other drugs. I'm sure they introduced more than a 100 different types in Estonia last year. It's not about the drugs. You need to deal with social factors, the psychological factors, the spiritual factors that lead people to drugs."

Absolutely.

No one becomes addicted to heroin or fentanyl because they're happy content people. Often they have trauma in their past or untreated mental illness in their present. These are real issues needing real treatment, and if none is given, they will naturally self-medicate.

I believe this is also why Xanax has suddenly exploded in the UK. Getting treatment for mental illness on the NHS is almost impossible. Someone with depression or anxiety can either sit there being given a string of SSRIs by their GP that do nothing except provide a range of side effects while they wait years to see a psychiatrist or a therapist, or they can pop a bar and feel instant, if short-lived, relief. If someone is mentally ill and desperate for help, what do you think will happen?

In the US I imagine it was the same sort of issue feeding into the opiate epidemic, especially considering that if you can't afford insurance you simply get nothing at all across the pond. But the pills that became available were not just benzos but also opiates, which lead to the far more serious issue we see today.

The generation that uses fentanyl in Estonia now may very well be dying out as the article posits. The figures they give certainly seem to back this up. But if the underlying cause of the issues is not dealt with, a new generation will turn to new drugs.

Youth in the UK have just begun turning to Xanax, the US began turning to oxycodone. The drug of choice for a generation changes but drug use is always a constant.
 
^ yep. And a lot of the "xanax" being bought, sold and consumed in europe isn't alprazolam, but counterfeit pills pressed with RC benzos of one kind or another - which is pretty much the exact same thing that is common in north american drug markets with fent-laced pain pills, smack and whatever else it's being sold as.

It's just not widely understood or reported on, because the harms that come from that are less dramatic than the huge amount of people dying from fentanyl - but it doesn't mean the harms of consuming unknown amounts of unknown drugs are insignificant - and the same market forces enable each racket are the same.
 
The fake bars will be big news in the UK very soon especially after the Vice documentary. Already there's been multiple BBC articles and newspapers have mentioned it.

Since benzos as a drug class are so rarely prescribed in England nowadays this has come out of nowhere as far as the health service and government are concerned and it will be massive news as the media jumps on to hype how scary the latest drug craze is, just as these things always go.

When it comes to benzos in the UK, after our doctors handed out Valium like sweets back when that was new, the NHS clamped down hard on new benzo prescriptions in the late 90's at the same time as doctors were getting sued left and right by addicted patients. Now they've gone to the opposite extreme and you're lucky if you can even get a low dose of Valium prescribed because it's considered too addictive.

As a result of all this, when Xanax hit the market in the 80's it was never even approved for use on the NHS at all. So aside from a tiny number of patients seeing private doctors, there is no UK pharma alprazolam.

All this to say that benzos are taken very seriously in the UK already and the addiction risk was understood even when Xanax was brand new. The media will reflect this and make sure everyone knows how scary this "new" drug is.

However I will be interested to see what the government can actually do about any of this aside from feeding the media scary sounding quotes. Because short from playing whack-a-mole with pressers, vendors, and dealers they have absolutely no way to stop the supply. Kill one and two more will take their place.

When Valium got big all they had to do was make it more difficult to get prescriptions. Ultimately, this worked. Valium is still widely abused but only among the older generations that grew up with it. The kids these days don't even tend to know what Valium is, and before pressed bars hit the UK they didn't even know what any benzo was for that matter.

Now that a market for Xanax has been created in the UK and it's very much appealing to young people, this has changed completely. But this time, what will the government do? They already don't prescribe alprazolam at all and barely ever prescribe any other benzo. They can tell people "this is bad and you shouldn't do it" but that hasn't worked for any drug in the history of drugs so I doubt it'll make any difference, especially when benzos are actually medicines - this complicates things a lot.

I am very much of the view that anyone who picks up a benzo habit, as opposed to just popping them on the weekend for a comedown, probably has some kind of underlying mental health issue they're self-medicating because otherwise benzos wouldn't appeal to them so much to begin with. But the NHS simply is not providing proper mental health care. Most people with depression, anxiety, etc get no treatment.

If they don't understand this aspect and choose to just look at it like kids doing drugs then the market will continue to grow, people will continue to get addicted, and illicit use will rise. Which is far more detrimental to health than having a legit script which frankly should be easier to obtain. Not given out freely, but certainly prescribed if SSRIs and the like don't work. Because when used correctly, benzos do help people.

I am genuinely curious to see how this is handled. If they are smart they will be more open to prescribing benzos to those who need them. A lot of these media reports I've seen do talk a lot about the self-medication angle so it's something they seem to understand. The question is will the government and NHS see it that way? And if so, how will they respond?

I also wonder if this will advance the cause of medical marijuana in the UK. The addictive nature of benzos and opiates helped that push over in the US as people realised cannabis can be a much less troublesome alternative. The current government will definitely not do this, but it may very well come up in the next election.
 
I personally don't think an opioid epidemic will affect the UK under the NHS; however, I think it could be an issue with private healthcare where Doctors are more inclined to prescribe the good shit for a financial incentive.

Also, look at the debacle of Ant from Ant & Dec fame. Dodgy knee, instant opioid and alcohol addiction ;) . The only thing good to come out of this is that at least we all now know which one is which...
 
Private doctors as a general rule are not as relaxed as you'd think with opiates. They are after all still personally liable if a litigious patient ends up hooked and can easily lose their GMC license meaning they can no longer practice medicine. Look what happened to these guys.

I've actually had a far easier time getting opiates off my NHS GP than a private hospital.
 
Private doctors as a general rule are not as relaxed as you'd think with opiates. They are after all still personally liable if a litigious patient ends up hooked and can easily lose their GMC license meaning they can no longer practice medicine. Look what happened to these guys.

I've actually had a far easier time getting opiates off my NHS GP than a private hospital.

Jesus Christ, what's the fuckin point of going private then? ;)
 
No one becomes addicted to heroin or fentanyl because they're happy content people. Often they have trauma in their past or untreated mental illness in their present. These are real issues needing real treatment, and if none is given, they will naturally self-medicate.

I've never in all my time read such a load of rubbish, I gotta ask you what is your basis for such a comment & I got several things to ask so I'll break 'em down into points below

1) You got experience with a heroin addiction & I mean a proper habit, not some dumb "joy banger" habit.

2) Ever come into your head that MAYBE some people had done a hell of a lot of tripping on all kinds of stuff (3-CE, 4-HO-MET) & a lot of other funky Shulgin things & heroin just happened to drift into their scene so they decided to try it, at first they HATED it as it made them puke & itch equal to DXM but they just ended up hooked after 5 years use?

3) I've gone through a lot of shit in my life (I'm 37 now) BUT everything I gone through made me who I am today & made me tough mentally, my ex had gone through very close things to what I Have & she is a fucking wreck mentally & physically YET I am not.....why would that be huh?
 
I know a lot of people who have had proper smack habits mate, not just "chipping" I mean they were doing smack on top of oxy, methadone, and various benzos daily, built up some ridiculous tolerance, and had multiple overdoses. One of them had to be kept in hospital for a bit just to withdraw off all the shit he was on.

There's also a large body of scientific research to back what I said up, so swapping anecdotes is pretty much pointless when I can just show you the actual research:

Many individuals who develop substance use disorders (SUD) are also diagnosed with mental disorders, and vice versa. Multiple national population surveys have found that about half of those who experience a mental illness during their lives will also experience a substance use disorder and vice versa.

Although there are fewer studies on comorbidity among youth, research suggests that adolescents with substance use disorders also have high rates of co-occurring mental illness; over 60 percent of adolescents in community-based substance use disorder treatment programs also meet diagnostic criteria for another mental illness.

Data show high rates of comorbid substance use disorders and anxiety disorders—which include generalized anxiety disorder, panic disorder, and post-traumatic stress disorder. Substance use disorders also co-occur at high prevalence with mental disorders, such as depression and bipolar disorder, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), psychotic illness, borderline personality disorder, and antisocial personality disorder.

If you click the actual article it gives a big list of citations for its sources.

So you're looking at over 60% of drug addicts with mental illness according to some studies. That's certainly the majority.

Even more interesting are the studies into who gets addicted to what drugs - for example meth addicts are more likely to have ADHD.

I've gone through a lot of shit in my life (I'm 37 now) BUT everything I gone through made me who I am today & made me tough mentally, my ex had gone through very close things to what I Have & she is a fucking wreck mentally & physically YET I am not.....why would that be huh?

Because different people can respond differently to similar circumstances? I don't really understand what your point is.
 
I've never in all my time read such a load of rubbish, I gotta ask you what is your basis for such a comment & I got several things to ask so I'll break 'em down into points below

1) You got experience with a heroin addiction & I mean a proper habit, not some dumb "joy banger" habit.

2) Ever come into your head that MAYBE some people had done a hell of a lot of tripping on all kinds of stuff (3-CE, 4-HO-MET) & a lot of other funky Shulgin things & heroin just happened to drift into their scene so they decided to try it, at first they HATED it as it made them puke & itch equal to DXM but they just ended up hooked after 5 years use?

3) I've gone through a lot of shit in my life (I'm 37 now) BUT everything I gone through made me who I am today & made me tough mentally, my ex had gone through very close things to what I Have & she is a fucking wreck mentally & physically YET I am not.....why would that be huh?

I dont think Wilson Wilson was too far from the point, perhaps a bit too general with the noone bit but if you really are truly happy i cant see anyone going "Oh lets give heroin a go"
Most people that have tried it or went on to use including myself who luckily it did not agree with, had past trauma or trying to fill a hole in themselves that heroin filled but other more healthy things could have done too. My main point is yes sometimes people try gear out of curiosity some out of peer pressure but if you are person that is truly happy in their life why the fuck would you decide to try heroin?

Oh and one more thing. Perhaps be slightly more polite if you disagree with someone. It makes the board a much nicer place to visit.

Peace
 
I dont think Wilson Wilson was too far from the point, perhaps a bit too general with the noone bit but if you really are truly happy i cant see anyone going "Oh lets give heroin a go"
Most people that have tried it or went on to use including myself who luckily it did not agree with, had past trauma or trying to fill a hole in themselves that heroin filled but other more healthy things could have done too. My main point is yes sometimes people try gear out of curiosity some out of peer pressure but if you are person that is truly happy in their life why the fuck would you decide to try heroin?

Oh and one more thing. Perhaps be slightly more polite if you disagree with someone. It makes the board a much nicer place to visit.

Peace

Exactly mate, I was obviously generalising and there will be exceptions to the rule, but I maintain that overall happy people are not getting into a smack habit for a laugh. And there is a lot of data backing up that a large portion of drug addicts have mental illness. Getting data on how many have trauma in their past would be much more difficult (that's the kind of thing people will keep private unless they seek therapy which they're likely not doing if they use heroin to self-medicate) but if there isn't a significant overlap I'll smoke an ounce of spice on live stream.

And just think how many people get opiate scripts, take one pill, say it just made them feel sick so they're selling it or they leave it to gather dust until you ask to take it off their hands. I'm not sure about bandit up there but this is a common occurrence for me. I always get mates texting me saying they got prescribed so and so opiate and asking if I'm interested because they just don't like it.

I definitely think the kind of person who really likes opiates enough to pick up a habit is most often the kind of person who feels a sense of relief from them, same as with benzos.
 
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