JGrimez
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You're right I've never tried DMT. I would have when I was younger given the opportunity but knowing what I know now I wouldn't. I wouldn't say I'm scared more cautious, just like I would be walking into the Amazon naked in the middle of the night. My point is if you approach the unknown in a naive way then there are things that can do you harm. As above, so below.
I know someone who has had "psychedelic" shamanic experiences without drugs. Author of The Secret History of the World. Some comments (discussing Graham Hancock's work):
I know someone who has had "psychedelic" shamanic experiences without drugs. Author of The Secret History of the World. Some comments (discussing Graham Hancock's work):
Certain drugs may induce states of consciousness that permit us to "see" or experience certain aspects of reality that are veiled in normal consciousness -- as we are now. But these effects are temporary and short-lived.
The real work before us is to change ourselves in a permanent way, so that such experiences, if they are necessary and part of our development and evolution, occur in step with the evolution of our BEing and DOing. When and if they occur in such a case, they are part of our natural develoment. And if they don't, then they are not necessary.
If certain drugs initiate these experiences, then it suggests that we are programmed to have them. But if we are so programmed, then the best way to attain them is to unleash those genetic codes through the Work on ourselves, which will happen when we are ready.
I think Hancock is sincere and is a pretty diligent researcher as far as it goes. I agree with his perspective on many things. The problem is, he is NOT a Shaman or a Seer and you have to be one to be able to SEE - to have perspicacity regarding the matters of other worlds. Only Seers and Shamans know their own, and only they know who is on the path of light or darkness.
Now, I haven't really commented on the idea that shamanic visions may have been at the root of the emergence of modern man, but I have compared my non-drug induced shamanic experience to the drug-induced ones that Hancock describes in the book. I think that the attentive reader can see the difference. It seems that drug induced experiences do indeed open the door to other realms, but they are generally lower realms, where one would not wish to remain for any period of time.
It seems to me that this is the crucial point of differentiation. There is a higher path that leads to Reality and a lower path that leads to deeper enslavement - and both of those can entail 'visions'. To gain such by the use of drugs - natural or otherwise - is to circumvent the natural and higher path that empowers the spirit - and body - to truly walk between two worlds; to See; to Be.
I don't think this point can be made strongly enough.
In our current world defined by lies, it follows so logically that drug induced altered states are encouraged as enlightenment when they are infinitely limiting. That delineation between 'the wretched' and 'the Whole (Holy)' is so deliberately blurred by those who must keep us in our place (and their conscious or not conscious 3D agents) - that those who opt for the 'easy' way through - ingestion equals altered state - are caught; always and forever on the path to further, or continued, enslavement.
There are no shortcuts - for a reason. fwiw.
Now, if you read Ibn al-Arabi's "Unveiling," (see William Chittick's translation and commentary: The Sufi Path of Knowledge) you will find detailed descriptions of "states" and "stations" and "unveilings" that are clearly and unequivocally shamanic in nature, though most definitely NOT of a kind that exposes a person to the Service To Self control system as these drugs do when ingested before the nature of the individual has grown able to handle the current.
Much of what Hancock saw/experienced was the "sea of faces" that has been described by numerous psychic mediums. It's an unpleasant place where earthbound spirits wander - a cloud of lowered vibrations that surrounds our planetary reality.
Another large proportion of what he saw and experienced was the 4D STS realms and I have heard many descriptions of this reality from claimed abductees under hypnosis. Of course, he does get into the abduction phenomenon further on in the book.
Laura Knight-Jadzcyk said:What is also extraordinary about it for me is that I experienced what he describes BEFORE I read the al-Arabi so that it came as a confirmation rather than as a pre-existing suggestion. I've been through all the levels of inrushes and, thank DCM that I achieved the level where they can come and do not disturb my functioning in any way.
In the beginning, there were some pretty wild rides accompanied by bi-location (I was witnessed as present by independent third parties when I was, in fact, thousands of miles away), everything appearing as shimming strands of living light, waves of heat, cold, seeing and hearing the gatherings of beings in other dimensions/densities (that got VERY irritating after awhile), and so on. Regarding the latter, I could close my eyes for a moment and immediately be aware of this other world OR, conversely, I could have my eyes closed and see through closed lids. Getting up and out of my body and going to other rooms also became irritating because I would think I was actually doing something, but my body was still inert and I would sort of get impatient that I had to go back and get it. Then, there were "beings" that would come along and try to trick me. It really was like a haunted forest where all kinds of tricks and traps were set and you have to be on your toes every second. That isn't possible under the influence of drugs that induce the state.
This sort of thing went on at an unbelievable level of intensity for over a year until I mastered every aspect of it. So, when people come to me talking about their "shamanic initiations" via drugs, and describe to me some of the awful stuff that goes on in those states (and yeah, a lot of it is described in glowing terms, but unless you've been through it with the body's natural chemicals, you can't tell the subtle differences), I just get the willies that anybody is promoting this stuff and that anybody is believing it. It's scary as hell the number of people that are doing it, too.