I wouldn't dream of IV'ing chlormethiazole or bromethiazole. Fuck no. Not in a million fucking years. And I have all-glass syringes aplenty, from 10ml capacity to 150ml and others in between, (no, I don't use these for IV'ing drugs with iffy physical properties with respect to either plastics or veins. I use them when handling chemicals that are extremely aggressive to everything more or less bar teflon in the case of organics, and that don't attack glass. Last time I needed one, for example, was for transferring a batch of iodine monochloride that I synthesized to a glass screw-cap chemical resistant bottle, with the cap being some kind of fluoropolymer, not sure what its made of actually since I didn't buy the bottles, they were left here after a pig raid, they came here demanding to 'take samples', when in actual fact they deliberately damaged parts of my lab, damaged glassware including some expensive ultramicroscale equipment (such as a 5ml pear-shaped reaction flask with an integrated vigreaux and side-arm with a short fluid-cooled condenser with the vacuum takeoff), and they did indeed 'take samples' in that they brought these chemical attack resistant bottles with them, and put a ml or two of various chemicals in bottles, left them on the lab bench and fucked off. So in reality it was no legal raid, but just to come and do damage out of malice. They didn't even take their socalled samples with them, just left them there on my lab bench. I've still got them. And whatever the plastic the cap and the flexible seal underneath is made of is highly resistant to attack, by halogenating agents, halogens, interhalogens, although of course I've never exposed them to any of the halogen tri- or pentafluorides given how outright nasty they are and the fact that if ever I use fluorine gas for anything it'll be for something that cannot be accomplished any other way, not for projects that are just out of interest, or for fluorinations which can be accomplished by other means. The likes of chlorine trifluoride, chlorine pentafluoride are just too damn dangerous for me to want them around. I've heard of chlorine trifluoride burning through multiple feet of concrete then over a meter of packed stone gravel before finally becoming exhausted and stopping. So obviously, not something one can just casually handle, and if at all used, would need investment in designing and building a dedicated safe handling facility before even attempting synthesis or use. PERHAPS I'd go so far as to prepare some of the higher iodine fluorides, but only those of iodine, the iodinated interhalogens being the tamest of them all, although ICl is still a fucking vicious little bastard, I've seen just the tiny traces of vapor that escape from a mated ground-glass joint with the male fitting wrapped with teflon tape thoroughly, utterly destroy a plastic keck clip within ten to fifteen minutes, not being distilled or at higher than atmospheric pressure and in ambient outdoor (UK) temperatures in the colder seasons, it began to turn from the green of a 24/40 clip to being covered with a thick white bloom, then developed splits very quickly, before crumbling away to dust with a few chunks in it, presumably those being derived from the arch-shaped parts that protrude from the back of the clip, being furthest away from the vapor traces, which were low enough to make the ICl in the still pot flask undetectable from outside the closed system.
Just those tiny, tiny traces are so aggressive that within a day or less, they disintegrated a stainless steel keck clip also, causing it to rust away to flakey material that held the shape of the original clip but that when touched with any force, broke down into a pile of oxides.
But these bottles, they withstand interhalogens, chromyl chloride, halogens (E.g Br2), strong acids (I.e 99% H2SO4), indifferent to white phosphorus, strong bases such as alkoxides [never tested them against the likes of alkyl/aryllithiums since they are open-topped and such would need a septum rather than simply be open at the top), but all the very nastiest, most aggressive, oxidizing, reducing, acidic, basic, oxidizing acids, don't touch the cap or seal material) I'd be somewhat surprised if even concentrated hydrofluoric acid did anything to the caps, although of course I'd expect the bottles themselves to be destroyed, but if only the cap and seal were thrown in to fuming HF or even anhydrous liquefied HF then I'd not expect them to be damaged in the process)
So they come in handy for storing larger quantities of chlormethiazole or bromethiazole base, that can then be measured out for oral or rectal dosing with an eyedropper or glass syringe respectively. I've yet to see anything at all, even iodine trichloride kept in a chlorine atmosphere doesn't do anything to them.
As for tolerance, in my experience, chlormethiazole actually seems to produce REMARKABLY little tolerance when used in a medical setting, I take 192mg 3 times daily and have done for years now. And also as needed additional 12 to 21x caps in any given week as a seizure rescue pack kit and, despite benzodiazepine use as well (I keep the benzo use to a couple of doses per week, typically 75-100mg per dose, excluding perhaps, on certain individual weeks, another 1 or two, at most 3 doses of 5 or 10mg 2x/d, but only rarely, either if the shit hits the fan and its instant overloading in whatever the situation is, and its just one of those days one can't get by in one piece without nerves frayed to tatters and generally feeling like total shit through life circumstance, or else if its one of those days where terminating breakthrough seizures is close to closing the door after the horse has bolted, chlormethiazole stopping them before they get off the ground, but can't sleep or else it wears off and another seizure will take place. Then I'll use a few nitrazepam pills for their far far longer action, and 1 or 2 additional chlormethiazole caps.
But, even so, whilst making sure my benzo use is low enough or at least infrequent enough to ensure no dependence formation, the chlormethiazole use, I can if I must, quite literally cease to take it 'cold turkey', but cold turkey only in the sense of abrupt cessation, without any connotation of withdrawal, because at least in my experience there is none.
I don't dispute its capable of causing physical dependence, afterall its a barbiturate site agonist at GABAaRs but much higher doses than I take would be needed. I am absolutely certain, that if I were to take 3x5mg nitrazepam instead of the chlormethiazole, or even 3x10mg diazepam (if it didn't disagree with me and cause paradoxical effects after a long delay, which benzos that metabolize to oxazepam seem often to do) or 3x1mg lorazepam would DEFINITELY land me in deep, deep shit if I did so.
Chlormethiazole is relatively short acting although highly lipophilic, I can't see it being much stored in my body fat reserves because I hardly have any. I've always had the kind of build that is built like a length of thick steel braided cable. Muscle and bone and skin tissues, but body-fat, I'd be surprised if there was very much of any but the brown adipose tissue involved in thermoregulation etc. in me at all, aside from subcutaneous fat, that much I know I have, since after severe wounds, such as a sword cut to the arm, I could actually SEE it there.
So I've almost no fat reserves for xenobiotics to hide in. I'm thin, and built like a whip-cord. But even going without for days, it produces no physical withdrawal in me. Its quite an odd drug in that respect. One would expect a barbiturate-site GABAa agonist to be highly dependence-prone. Perhaps chlormethiazole specifically, induces very little internalization of the receptors, is it known whether the drug produces much desensitization? benzos affect specifically GABA-bound benzo-sensitive GABAaRs, and the body can compensate by reducing the level of GABA, thereby helping to ameliorate the level of depressant activity, whereas barbs, and chlormethiazole can gate the chloride channel directly, bypassing this, so perhaps there being no reduction in GABA synthesis possible as a compensatory mechanism means that the body doesn't do this in cases of the Cl- channel being directly opened, either by a barb site agonist or an orthosteric (GABA binding site) agonist, such as GABA itself, or things like muscimol, thiomuscimol, etc.
I'd be curious to synthesize selenomuscimol some day, obviously the tellurium analog is out completely, since there is no way in all perdition that I am ever willingly going to ingest anything containing Te. It might be one of the most beautiful elements of them all, especially when it occurs as outgrowths of faceted, perfect crystals of 'metallic' tellurium, but its not an element I'd even want to touch with my fingers, let alone swallow a compound containing the element in its structure. For the obvious reason that I don't want to turn into a nuclear-grade walking stinkbomb. I did have that experience once, with a sulfur compound, that caused me to emit some heinous-smelling, potent and FAR-carrying stench for some time. People hundreds of yards off in the open air down the street literally turned and ran. And since the stuff was a metabolite, it kept being produced, and no amount of showering, even for hours on end with several bottles of shower gel, several times a day would stop it coming out of my skin, saliva, nasal fluid, sweat, piss, shit even tear fluid could contaminate a piece of paper so badly that the smell never left it until burnt.
I had to wear the same set of clothes the entire time, until my body had fully done getting rid of it. And going from the difference between say, hydrogen sulfide (nasty, but bearable in subtoxic concentrations) to hydrogen selenide (just...vile..absolutely stomach-turningly, shocklingly vile) and the likes of selenomercaptans, alkyl or aryl selenides/diselenides are beyond description near enough. Real 'fuck ME! run like hell, because hell just turned up on your doorstep', I can only imagine what Te equivalents must be like, and given the notorious tellurium breath from even minute exposure, I've no enthusiasm for seeing what hydrogen telluride, mono/dialkyl mono/di/tritellurides must be like, or something like telluroacetone. I'm pretty sure if ever I were to make seleno or telluroacetone that the chemical warfare response teams would be called in if ever the source of the abomination that gassed my city were discovered. The chalcogens start benign in case of oxygen, although some alcohols do smell foul to me, like isopropanol, but thats just me and personal dislike. Then they start getting nasty when it gets to sulfur, worse by far when it comes to selenium equivalents, and from everything I read, in the case of Te they just become utterly insufferable.
But I would be curious to try selenomuscimol, given that a dose of ordinary, bog-standard muscimol is about 10-15mg, thiomuscimol is more potent than muscimol, and if there is a trend of potency increasing the heavier the chalcogen, then selenomuscimol ought to be highly potent, more than enough to avoid selenium toxicity, assuming the Se content ever becomes bioavailable. And given muscimol itself is excreted more or less unchanged in one's theresa may...ahem...piss, sorry, easy mistake to make there
, then Se absorption would at most be minimal. And besides, 2C-Se didn't appear to be causing Se poisoning.
Clubcard, have you ever actually TRIED chlormethiazole? and I'm not talking outright stupidity by injecting the stuff...because fuck me, that is way beyond idiocy. Injecting something that MELTS and dissolves plastics aggressively, in plastic syringes (I very much doubt that guy was using all-glass syringes somehow. I might have many of them at my disposal, but thats me, pharmacies aren't going to carry them, and they aren't what one would call common medical instruments these days. And as said, I have never, ever used one to administer an injection, at least, not to me, if a needle is attached to one of mine, it is to add something to a reaction through a septum that would probably cause plastic either to disintegrate on contact, or else burst into flame, or itself burst into flames on contact with air or atmospheric water vapor. Not for shooting up, but for chemistry. And besides, I'd hardly consider IV'ing or IM'ing 150ml of anything a good idea, with the sole exception of blood or plasma expanders in cases of hypovolaemic shock from blood loss. And IM'ing that much liquid would be damaging almost certainly, and extremely painful at the very best. 5ml IM shots aren't what one could call comfortable (5ml rigs aren't avoidable when I'm using morphine IM, because of the 60mg/ml solubility limit, even warming the water until just about comfortable still, doesn't dissolve enough morphine sulfate to give anything even approaching a proper dose.That needs hot water (bearable to the body without discomfort) and a 5ml rig.
I find it much more practical to use it as dipropionylmorphine making use of the acid chloride or the anhydride + a little NaOAc. Been wanting to try 4-DMAP with a little pyridine for its ultra-efficient and rapid, room temperature conversion from the anhydride or acyl chloride and morphine, superhigh conversion to the desired diester, room temp, ten minutes. Nice as it avoids exposing the sensitive morphine or even more sensitive esters to heat. With just a little NaOAc or sodium propionate to promote the reaction all the better. Rather than using a combination of morphine, propionic anhydride or propionyl chloride+NaOAc, and TETA, 4-DMAP/pyridine would allow for the acylation to take off at rocket speed, and be done so quickly that if they were two spacecraft, acylation agent+regular base would be equivalent to sending a shuttle into near earth orbit, or a trip to the moon and back, whilst 4-DMAP+pyridine/acylation agent would have us at proxima centauri within the time it takes to smoke a cigarette and to fart in donald trump's face, if you can call the covering of his skull that and not be sued by faces everywhere.