Flip Fantasia
Greenlighter
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I would like to help my friend understand what's going on with her body when she rolls, and whether she should continue doing so. It's been really unpredictable and aggravating for her, because she never knows when she is going to have a great time or a horrible one. I've looked through this forum and nothing sounds like her experience.
Here's her story:
She rolled several times back in her 20s (she is in her 40s now) and never had any issues. Last year, she rolled for the first time after a 15-year hiatus, and she had a great time, what she describes sounds like a typical experience.
The second roll, about 3 months later, started off well, but after a couple of hours, things changed. She entered what she described as a catatonic state: every movement--opening her eyes (they were rolled back in her head, so others - myself included - mistakenly thought she was having an amazing time), reaching for a glass of water, holding her head up, closing her mouth, speaking--took extreme effort. She was, however, wide awake, acutely aware of her surroundings (if unable to interact with them), and stayed in this state, unable to sleep for many hours.
The third roll, a couple of months later, was similar to the first--great time without incident.
In the 8 months that have followed, though, she has rolled 5 more times and 4 of these times have started off great but then resulted in her entering the same catatonic state, which she describes as feeling like she's "locked in" and having a sensation similar to endless hours of hearing nails on a chalkboard. She says that the onset is abrupt and out of the blue; she suddenly finds music, which moments earlier she had loved, jarring, and she no longer feels connected with other people. So basically she is the opposite of rolling.
We have tried controlling multiple variables--drinking/not drinking, powder vs. pressies or a mix of the two, caffeine/no caffeine, quiet vs. club environments, etc. We have tried massively reduced dosage; the last time, she had thought she was in the clear after 4 hours of euphoria, only to come crashing down hard, after taking a max of 1/8 of a pressed pill.
The supply she's using has been tested, and others have taken the same stuff with no ill effect. She talked to a friend of ours who is a doctor and he was unable to figure out the issue, or even find other examples of this happening to people. We think the pills are legit MDMA without MDA (another person in our group has a strong adverse reaction to MDA and thus would've identified this as a possible culprit). We similarly don't think they are laced with something like ketamine. She has taken pills from the same supply and had different effects (i.e., one experience is great and the the next, with the same supply, produces the awful experience).
At this point, she thinks she would be foolish to continue trying and that she needs to accept that she and ecstasy don't mix. So yes, the solution might be to say listen to your body and stop. But she loves the initial experience, especially when rolling with her boyfriend. She is eager to know what causes her adverse reaction, if there is a way to mitigate it, and if she's doing any permanent damage to her body.
If she needs to admit defeat, she would be grateful for any suggestions on what might be a decent substitute for when she is with others who are rolling.
Advice is appreciated! Or even let us know if you have seen someone else go through the same experience - so far we can't find anyone who's had the same reaction. Thank you so much for your help.
Here's her story:
She rolled several times back in her 20s (she is in her 40s now) and never had any issues. Last year, she rolled for the first time after a 15-year hiatus, and she had a great time, what she describes sounds like a typical experience.
The second roll, about 3 months later, started off well, but after a couple of hours, things changed. She entered what she described as a catatonic state: every movement--opening her eyes (they were rolled back in her head, so others - myself included - mistakenly thought she was having an amazing time), reaching for a glass of water, holding her head up, closing her mouth, speaking--took extreme effort. She was, however, wide awake, acutely aware of her surroundings (if unable to interact with them), and stayed in this state, unable to sleep for many hours.
The third roll, a couple of months later, was similar to the first--great time without incident.
In the 8 months that have followed, though, she has rolled 5 more times and 4 of these times have started off great but then resulted in her entering the same catatonic state, which she describes as feeling like she's "locked in" and having a sensation similar to endless hours of hearing nails on a chalkboard. She says that the onset is abrupt and out of the blue; she suddenly finds music, which moments earlier she had loved, jarring, and she no longer feels connected with other people. So basically she is the opposite of rolling.
We have tried controlling multiple variables--drinking/not drinking, powder vs. pressies or a mix of the two, caffeine/no caffeine, quiet vs. club environments, etc. We have tried massively reduced dosage; the last time, she had thought she was in the clear after 4 hours of euphoria, only to come crashing down hard, after taking a max of 1/8 of a pressed pill.
The supply she's using has been tested, and others have taken the same stuff with no ill effect. She talked to a friend of ours who is a doctor and he was unable to figure out the issue, or even find other examples of this happening to people. We think the pills are legit MDMA without MDA (another person in our group has a strong adverse reaction to MDA and thus would've identified this as a possible culprit). We similarly don't think they are laced with something like ketamine. She has taken pills from the same supply and had different effects (i.e., one experience is great and the the next, with the same supply, produces the awful experience).
At this point, she thinks she would be foolish to continue trying and that she needs to accept that she and ecstasy don't mix. So yes, the solution might be to say listen to your body and stop. But she loves the initial experience, especially when rolling with her boyfriend. She is eager to know what causes her adverse reaction, if there is a way to mitigate it, and if she's doing any permanent damage to her body.
If she needs to admit defeat, she would be grateful for any suggestions on what might be a decent substitute for when she is with others who are rolling.
Advice is appreciated! Or even let us know if you have seen someone else go through the same experience - so far we can't find anyone who's had the same reaction. Thank you so much for your help.
I get that it is interesting to form hypothesis but keep in mind that this might make someone very anxious to read that, certainly when they are not very experienced and so have no idea which 'diagnosis' is plausible and which one is only very remotely plausible