Training Log 6-8 week Epistane cycle Log

Intense said:
I'd trade a little fullness for dry and vascular. I can always up my test a little.



I don't know about more mass, maybe a little more water retention but that quickly goes away upon ceasing it. Yeah I have tried it.

Honestly the best is superdrol in terms of strength, dryness, and fullness. But of course it comes with it's hoist of negatives..




Edit: EPI may be the superior drug I don't know. But for me Winny has always given me impressive results in comparison. Everyones body is different. For example I get no joint issues on winny. Just lean gains I can hold onto after stopping it.
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I haven't trialed epi extensively, but like you I respond to winny very well. Some test and no flatness for me. Or up sodium. Wrecks my lipids but I feel alright lol.
 
Serotonin101 said:
I haven't trialed epi extensively, but like you I respond to winny very well. Some test and no flatness for me. Or up sodium. Wrecks my lipids but I feel alright lol.
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Yeah.. my cholesterol goes to shit quick as well. But luckily it doesn't take long to get the desired effect from winny in my experience, especially when already lean.
 
Sorry I haven't updated this: this will be my last update and a summary of my experience with epi.
Ran for 47 days, for a total of 1800mg.
By week 5 I felt bad mentally, even with lots of transdermal + oral DHEA --- memory consolidation was off, couldn't remember things I had read only 10 minutes prior, having anxiety and rapid thoughts, no libido at all, I was ready to be done but had to finish off. Ended up going the whole length and by the last day I felt, just, off. Significant lethargy by the end. Would I do it again? No, not without a real test base. You just feel "off" and bad - have a shorter temper, no emotions-- not to mention the GI side effects of the oral and overall bleh feeling. I honestly can't understate how proper bad I felt, and the relief I had when I was done, and really urge people to consider this when thinking about running an oral alone.

With that said, the run was great in terms of muscle and strength. I ran a high volume, high intensity squat and bench program which had me squatting and benching 4-5x a week; with back 4 days a week. Pretty much 4-5 days a week I would do: squats, bench, pullups/BBRows, and some accessories -- in the gym I could go forever, never got sore, every workout could push more. I was working out 3 hours per session. Diet ended up being a 95% clean bulk - I was hungry at all times. Hit 3500-4500cals/day of clean food, with 150-200g protein per day. I use no substances and do not drink.

Bodyweight start: 178 ----- End: 199
Bodyfat %: no idea, but minimal - mostly muscle/glycogen. Have gotten multiple complements on how much bigger my upper body looks.
Bench + 35lbs
Squat + 80lbs (a bunch from belt)
Deadlift +25lbs

Today is day 25 of PCT. Strength is still there. I started using a belt for squats which contributes to some of that increase. Weight is at 198. For PCT I'm running clomid at 20-30 per day. Everything is back working 100%. Very happy with the results for only 6.5 weeks, and its been almost 4 weeks now and kept essentially everything still - but damn I wouldn't do it again. Going back to natural training for a while.

I did not have liver function tests done post-cycle yet, but was very diligent with all my support supps which I believe played a huge part.
 
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Sounds like solid progress. Sorry to hear it didn't feel too good. Definitely recommend some test in next time even if just trt dose.
 
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