Did digital ruin everything?

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Markomarkh

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Well after a lot of research I find digital technology has ruined the planet, anybody who is in the know, prefers analog vinyl, tbh with ya, anything after the digital switch I felt things ain?t been quite right in this music world! When was the digital switch ? 1994 was year I went off hardcore for a while until 1997 when I heard this site and for nastalgia purposes. Listening to my dads analog vinyl back in day felt right. But listening to commercialised cds sounded too perfect not real and internet mp3s were piss poor but we?re very convenient and easy to click and listen.

I find most digital synths tinny or just cheesy and naff, analog synths have more warmth and beef, who is using none digital equipment these days? Are there shops or online stores that specialise in analog synths, probably expensive and wouldn?t recommend it unless your a serious head candy producer. A digital computer is a simple solution just to fart around like an amateur and is still good to an extent.

I remember my taxi driver saying music died in 1979 well to him it did because everything went electronic then.

Also why is nearly everyone depressed, is it digital induced depression? (DID)

So is analog better or all hype?

What you say?

Cheers cb.
 
i am reminded of this - one of my favourite bl quotes of all time:

roliepolie said:
I didn't spend the last 6 years of my life learning how to mix records, so that some 15 year old kid can come and take over the world with his fucking laptop and a pirated copy of Ableton...
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from this thread: When Will Live Audiences Be Ready For Computer Mixing

for me, digital is just another tool. there's good and bad analog music and there's good and bad digital music.

alasdair
 
Give me a flac over vinyl any day. I can't stand the crackles and pops.

Horses for courses though, eh?
 
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Tranced said:
Give me a flac over vinyl any day. I can't stand the crackles and pops.

Horses for courses though, eh?
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Talking of flac? How do I get flac tunes on my iPad, can you download this format on iTunes or they stuck in dark ages? Think you’ll find the future will be qubit or quantum computers which is neither analog or digital whatever that means.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if apple didn't allow flac. You could always convert to another form of lossless, or maybe try a separate music app which supports flac.
 
I've read up on the science of vinyl records and basically from a sound quality point of view the only way to get decent sound on vinyl is to have a single track on a 12" per side. That's it. Everything else is garbage, science wise.

And even then there are a lot of detractors to vinyl. The warm sound is generated from pressing where the EQing from the master is flattened. I'm guessing a lot of low-mid to low eq is picked up. Current bass music, or even tracks that use sub frequencies should stay away from vinyl because there is no way a record will properly play those frequencies. There's also tonearm vibrations.

Analog synths were notorious for not staying in tune.

But Ill be the first to admit the charm in records that used the sp1200 or Board of Canada tracks. Lofi sampling was and still is awesome.
 
Tranced said:
I wouldn't be surprised if apple didn't allow flac. You could always convert to another form of lossless, or maybe try a separate music app which supports flac.
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from 'the internet': "There is limited support for Vorbis and FLAC enclosed in an Ogg container..." so ymmv.

alasdair
 
The thing is digital is made up of steps or pixels, depending on sound or visual, like a digital sound wave will look like a staircase going up and down then repeat close up in an audio program, analog sound is claimed to be smooth wave form, how does that work, or is everything perceived as analog in the end to ear anyway? Is it just the equipment producers the digital or analog output? The resolution is so high now we don’t notice the steps. On an 80s Zx spectrum computer 4bit or 8bit you might?
 
I like both but digital makes listening, buying, and playing music so much easier and that benefit alone outweighs any negative.
 
JoeTheStoner said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CocoRosie doesn't matter what you use in my opinion.
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Ha, so true on both fronts; your actual point, and your use of CocoRosie as an example!

Man have you you heard of Giorgia Angiuli? So fucking talented, and cool as fuck to boot.



Massively underrated imo.



I couldn't give a fuck what people use really - if it sounds good to me, then that's the important thing. I probably dislike 95% of electronic music and really love way less than 1%. The stuff I love, I love for reasons beyond some kind of disparities between the waveforms or whatever.

I just wonder - if there was some kind of plugin (there probably is) that people could put on their tracks to exactly emulate the sound of vinyl, to perfection, would they really be using it? I highly doubt it. I listen to psy trance and I like my music precise, crisp and digital - even if analogue equipment was used to make a lot of those sounds. I just want my music HD.

The modern vinyl is better argument seems to me to be a form of appeal to nature fallacy, often with an added element of purist attitude (because a lot of people [not all], seem to be buying into fad when they really don't know what they're talking about - they just heard their favourite house dj preaching from his alter and took it as gospel. So fear of the future (change) basically. You can't really fight the juggernaut that is the future of human endeavours.

Markomarkh said:
or is everything perceived as analog in the end to ear anyway?
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I'm really interested to know what you mean by this Mark - any chance of elaborating? Cheers man! :)
 
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Good use of toys by her. Reminds me of back in the 90s Junior Vasquez purportedly used some type of joystick device in his live sets or Nirvana using squeaky toys on Drain You. But tbh, her voice is by far her best instrument. By leaps and bounds.
 
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But tbh, her voice is by far her best instrument. By leaps and bounds.
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Definitely.

Anyone else think that on the video I posted above, i.e this:



That when she starts singing at 2.26, it sounds like the first line of Evolution feat. Jayn Hanna ‎– Walking On Fire (Bedrock Vocal Remix)

At 2.26 Giorgia sings something like "I feel the good, in the dark".
At 2.43 on the bedrock tune "My Fingers burn, in the breakdown"



It just has a similar kind of tone/vibe/whatever, or something. Like you could swap the words and it would be the same thing.
 
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Everyone seems to prefer their own highlight of their life.

Could just be that everyone had more serotonin and dopamine in their brains during that time.
 
Well simple put it’s just a sound to the ear wether it’s digitally produced or not. I’ve used an Amiga And Octamed back in early days and was only 8bit sound I think and sounded more crunchy and more raw, where today it is too clean and clear. I mean what is the highest bit quality a tune can do on a computer? Why flac when we have wav ? But anyway I’m happy with my reason 8 and Apple computer with no RE add ons.
 
Analog, digital, Kraftwerk also vinyl and tapes. You know every brain has it's own mental hospital and soundtrack, we would have heard music without digital too, but as every advantage has it's own disadvantage same can go to whatever it's technology connected and interconnected, digital has it's own treasures same as the others and it's own beauty & value, stop running in the direction where the crowds go
 
better tools in the hands of incredible musicians = better music. Better tools also = more hacks have access to sound like slightly less hack like. The digital/analog argument is drawing to a close these days with 24/96 downloads and so many other amazing things like component modeling and impulse responses. Analog can be really cool and imperfect. That stuff is getting modeled really well now. I'm all about my vintage stereo but there is some stuff coming out that sounds better than anything to me and it is digital
 
In terms of mixing digitisation has ruined it. Anyone can beat match on new CDJs. If I'm mixing at a friends house (don't own decks anymore) then it's a must the BPM counter is covered by tape or a coin. And don't get me started on laptops with ableton etc.

Hand me a pair of 1210s and a standard 2 channel mixer and we're golden.
 
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In terms of mixing digitisation has ruined it. Anyone can beat match on new CDJs. If I'm mixing at a friends house (don't own decks anymore) then it's a must the BPM counter is covered by tape or a coin. And don't get me started on laptops with ableton etc.

Hand me a pair of 1210s and a standard 2 channel mixer and we're golden.
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sure. but the real deal guys don't use auto match crap. they move within the time and are artists. who cares what the hacks are doing
 
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