Experimental Dilaudid ROA

[LilAddy]

Hey! I'd love to hear what your opinions are on my preferred method of administering dilaudid. By the way, before you tell me to go bang it or something, just realize, that I am not interested in that (scared of needles.) So, what I do is, take the pill(s) and crush them into a fine powder, then I scoop the powder into a bowl, mix it with 3-4 ml of water, and stir it until the powder appears to be dissolved. Then, I proceed to suck the liquid up through an oral syringe. From there, I slowly, over the course of about 30 minutes, drip the solution into my nose while leaning my head back, over the edge of my bed (so it doesn't all drip down my throat.) So far, as far as I can tell, this has worked well for me, and seems to do more then when I just snort the powder. The reason I do this, is that I read somewhere that the bioavailability of intranasal hydromorphone is raised when mixed with water due to better absorption. So what do you think? Is what I'm doing pointless, or do you think it's a good route of administration? Can you think of any better ways to administer dilaudid intranasaly? Thanks for the help!

 

[T. Calderone]

I've snorted Dilaudid but never tried your method. I imagine it would be easier on your nasal passages.
Have you considered plugging/anal administration?

 

[Lorne???]

^ Yeah though the same thing.

Hydromorphone is very water soluble, over 300mg/ml, or soluble in 3 parts water; unfortunately it?s lipid solubility is much more modest, and not nearly as high as diamorphine itself(although higher than Morphine Classic, for example)

This doesn?t make rectal super-efficient, however you skip first pass, and, if snorting isn?t cutting it, would recommend plugging... and w/ most opioids I wouldn?t, lipid solubility is a problem, and also you often have to deal with a delayed onset, although you also get an extended duration of action, which with a *slighlty* higher dose, is actually a good alternative, once you get the technique down, especially if you have legitimate pain

Though yeah, plugging hydromorphone is worth a shot, and certainly an improvement over taking it by mouth; Note that it wouodn? Kick in quite as fast as snorting(although with your method, it would probably be about the same) however many prefer it

Check out the plugging megathread, or the hydromorphone megathread for more details/ proper administration if you are unfamiliar

Nasal drops are effective, just be careful because it can end up just going into you?re stomach, which would render a portion pretty mild

 

[LilAddy]

Thank you for the advise! Plugging sounds uncomfortable to me, but I may try it just for experimentation's sake. If I do end up trying plugging, I will post how it goes in the thread. Can you think of anything other than banging and plugging. That would yield a higher bioavailability than my current method? Thanks again!

 

[Max Flight]

I have at times, heated the kettle up to warm up some water. Then I take about 6 of the 8 mg tabs and crush to a fine powder. I have a little blue glass bottle .50 oz, and screw the sprayer from the nasal spray you get a the pharmacy. The water doesn't have to be really hot.bout 100.f. I put the powder in, and then a couple granules of sea salt, not a lot. Put the top on, shake it up, and it disolves. Then you do a couple sprays on each side...just enough so you can taste it, but not getting drains. Wait a short time, then repeat. And that's the best way if you are, umm IDK, insulfating or something is the term I think.? In my opinion of course. Everyone has there own swerve. Hope this helps. I am also terrified of needles. .

 

[Max Flight]

A couple other tidbits on that method. You get the fine mist kine. This really gives those receptors a nice even coating. Also, you want the water slightly saline not salty.

 

[LilAddy]

Thanks max! This sounds like a good method, and I may very well try it. I do however worry a little bit that I might end up messing up doing this somehow. It would really suck if I ended up wasting all of my remaining Dilaudid lol.

 

[Max Flight]

Don't sweat it too much.... it's not like building a piano or something. lol. It's easy enough to crush. And the only difficulty you may have is getting the powder into the lil bottle. I have this mini funnel that works perfect. But its not too difficult. You can use the plastic bottle that say Afrin or whatever. But the little tincture bottles from the health food store are my preference. You can see how much is goin in, etc. And then slowly add the water, because you need very little. The real trick, is the ratio.: dope/water. This would vary from person to person, I guess. But I try to make it as strong as possible, without binding the aspirator (sprayer). If you get the gel sprayer, seems to be better and last longer. You're going to have to switch out the top every so often, as it will wear out. If you use the method often.

I hope that helps a bit more.

 

[LilAddy]

Oh, ok that sounds great, thanks man!

 

[Max Flight]

E Komo Mai. Addy (means that you are welcome) I take the same medication, and they're running me thin these days. I find this method to work well. I cruise around the store with the thing, using it. No one seems to notice.

The only other method I am able to recommend, is to do a small line of powder. Half to each side, and then use a nasal sprayer with plain water. Same deal. Couple of mists on each side. Then lay back on your bed. That works well for me too. When I am too lazy to make more, or the grandkids are over.. Go easy brah.

 

[LilAddy]

The other method, with snorting the lines and then normal water in a spray bottle (probably fine mist) sounds amazing to me, I think that will work well in my situation! I'm glad you suggested it, because I probably would not have ever thought of that lol. It sounds like it will be much easier, and less time consuming than my current method. I will be sure to try this out, and post how it goes on the thread. Thanks again max! (btw, do you know of any mark in between an exclamation point, and a period? I always feel like exclamation points seem over enthusiastic, but periods just don't show enough gratitude or emotion... sorry I know it's a bit random, I'm just trying to figure out if there is some kind of middle ground lol.)

 

[Lorne???]

Different symbols or smileys can get a pint across

Actually get what you mean, I guess; ! Seems a bit much yet sometimes you want to punctuate. It is random though
(Cannot out clever emoji at moment, am on different device)

 

[Max Flight]

I hope that you have found a good way to get the most out of your meds, without having to shoot em. I have basically been using the 2nd method is described, all month. Haven't had time to make a solution up. I find it to work well, and hope that it works for you.

 

[Lorne???]

^Seconded

which method though? Plugging? P.O. is actually a tad better than thought in comparison to say, morphine (never was a huge fan of the hydros, H-morphone and codiene didn’t really do it for me, although dihydroheroin would be very interesting to try, and awesome to encounter

Note that Oxycodone was overpriced and a bit overrated, though certainly good

Opana it borderline dangerous, ER annoyed me, though if broken(the gel matrix) it is/would be superior to to it’s hydro-counterpart, imo

 

[Max Flight]

I guess that I should have clarified.

The second method that I recommend. Just do a line, then a spray or two of plain water from the nasal spray bottle. (Fine mist).

Call me crazy, but as well as needles, I have a phobia of putting things up my ass. So I prefer to snort the stuff. lol. I know plenty of folks who have no problem keestering....almost anything. All of these people have long prison records though. I remember one of my Chicano buddies, who just couldn't understand why I wouldn't "keester" dope from the mainland, or vise versa. To this cat, it was a basic fact of life. And he told me that he had keestered one of those honey bear containers (about 10 oz of honey, bear shaped plastic bottle) into the county jail. Where his dope, rigs, etc was in.

I figure most porn stars who are notorious for anal scenes, would have trouble with doing this. But anyway, I am talking about snorting it, then a couple of mists. And lay down for about 20 minutes. Seems much easier than the plugging thing. And that's just not for me.

 

[Lorne???]

^Nah don’t plug either; it never provided a real advantage with my DOC’s, and actually delays absorption’s in many cases; maybe should clarify, that is why recommend snorting and mention that opioids like dia morphine even ate better oral than thought (50-70% BA with high doses, H-Morphone can reach 50%) - although plugging certainly is a viable ROA for some substances ; just rarely opioids, even methadone is absorbed more rapidly, though BA% does not improve(was a tad lower in study) and, 1.4hr Tmax for rectal vs, 2.5ish for P.O., it isn’ worth it IMO

 

[LilAddy]

I agree with you Max, plugging doesn't sound very pleasant lol. I actually really enjoy snorting stuff for some reason. I haven't been able to try your method of snorting because I cant find a good nasal sprayer, however I have recently tried a method very similar to yours. This new method basically consists of me crushing my pill(s) and making six long and thin lines. After that I proceed to snort a single line with each nostril. I then wait 5-10 minutes, and then use an oral syringe filled with just water, to drip a few drops in each nostril (to help absorb any powder that has not already been absorbed). I then wait another 5 minutes, and then repeat the last two steps. I continue to do this until I have finished my dose, and this process ends up taking about 30 minutes. Do you think that this will work as well as your (very similar) method, or do you think I should just continue searching for a nasal sprayer?

 

[Max Flight]

Hi Addy. Well, it appears that your technique is working well for you. I have used the regular Afrin nasal mist bottles...they work great, and should be available at the local OTC medication store. .longs, rite aid, etc. The top kinda pops off if you torque it a bit. And you can dump the stuff out and rinse and fill with water. So, if you get the chance you can try that, but it sounds like you are managing well...just be very aware of the honey trap you are getting caught up in lil bro...it's a hard one to get out of.

Having said that, I was able to use my pain meds for years without "misusing" them. Was a great 7 years. I was much more productive and excelled in my work. And then I met fentanyl. And after I started misusing that. The game changed. You DO NOT, ever want to bear the hell of withdrawals. So go easy man. Best of luck.