Testosterone for life

Hilfiger924

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At 43 years of age I am relatively New to the world of Testosterone but I guess my question is for the more experienced users. If affordability was never an issue what would be the pros and cons of staying on Test injections for the rest of my life ???
 
That's a really loaded question mate which opens up a world of potential answers depending on exactly what you mean ;)

Are you talking about TRT? Or are you talking about higher doses all your life? Or just blast-and-cruise type cycles?

I have about 50 lifetimes worth of AAS, but I prefer to come off cycle because I can't be fucked injecting all the time. Even if I could eat it as a tablet, it would still be annoying to have to do that for the rest of my life.
 
Thanks for the response and yes to be a it clearer on my question. I was more referring to taking a higher dosage all my life. Nothing over the top but just a weekly jab to keep me above moderately above normal levels. I am on my 4th week of injections and the kick it has provided me in sex drive, energy and training has been astounding so I guess I was contemplating that question around if I stayed on this for life what could be the potential negatives and positives.
 
Going to be largely individual so hard to say for sure. Some people I'm sure would have little to no real negative consequence from something that would put them *slightly* over normal range like 200mg a week.

Others may ultimately take 5-10 years off their lives although hard to quantify and the best way to monitor things is through regular blood work and yearly heart monitoring.

Plenty of ache rage every day people take years of f their lives with no concern for diet, alcohol or tobacco consumption, prescription medications, etc. So personally, I'll be on to some extent my whole life and the risk is fine with me when compared to the benefits and happiness that it has ultimately brought me.
 
I'm the same age as you OP (43) and I think I'll be on a ow dose of test for the rest of my life (BTW a low dose is around 150mg week). I just csnt see living without it if I want to feel normal and at least have a penis that works lol..

I just went to my doctors when I was off got a blood test which showed very low levels and I get prescribed 150mg a week..

I just add that to whatever else I'm taking when I blast and take it alone when I cruise..

I buy a pre paid prescription certificate for about £30 for 3 months and get unlimited prescriptions free (UK). I also get viagra on prescription too just by asking for it..yeah I had to exaggerate that I had erectile disfuntion (which I don't) but he's hardly gonna want to come and watch me having sex with my gf to find out lol..

I don't see it as any worse than opiate addicts who exaggerate their pain to get pills...

You gotta do what you gotta do.
 
Exogenous testosterone is nice at first. But as with everything else your body will desensitize to it. The first few months are amazing. Your sex drive will be through the roof. But after a while it will go back to where is was. If I were you, I'd first take a look into Selegiline. One reason testosterone levels decrease over time is a lack of dopamine caused be an enzyme that gets elevated by the time you age, called MAO-B. A daily dose of 1 mg Selegiline is plenty to prevent that from happening. In addition you can add a small dose of an aromataze inhibitor, preferable exemestane to prevent testosterone from being converted into estrogen, so you end up with more free testosterone. D-Aspartic Acid, Aswagandha and Maca are great OTC supplements that can help you increase your testosterone levels naturally. And don't forget to exercise.

Believe me you don't wanna make yourself dependant on exogenous testosterone. If you want an extra boost in sex drive, use a single dose of proviron. But don't stay on it.
 
I'd be more willing to suggest trt for life over using an MAOI. Been on test for almost 4 years now and have yet to see desensitization when kept in the normal range. Evidence to the contrary actually that when doses are lowered from dose blasts to trt levels of test the androgen receptors regain sensitivity.
 
I'd be more willing to suggest trt for life over using an MAOI. Been on test for almost 4 years now and have yet to see desensitization when kept in the normal range. Evidence to the contrary actually that when doses are lowered from dose blasts to trt levels of test the androgen receptors regain sensitivity.

You can't compare Selegiline to any other MAOI. It's a very selective one and the recommended dose is extremely low. I highly recommend the following book by Joseph Knoll: How Selegiline ((-)-Deprenyl) Slows Brain Aging.

You can't tell me your sex drive now is what it was when you first jumped on testosterone. It's there but not as pronounced. As you said, androgen levels have to be lowered to regain AR sensitivity. Each time you go on a blast, your AR sensitivity decreases, and when you go back on your TRT, your sex drive isn't as high anymore. Even though you're still on a supraphysiologic amount. But it also depends on the type of compounds used.
 
Exogenous testosterone is nice at first. But as with everything else your body will desensitize to it. The first few months are amazing. Your sex drive will be through the roof. But after a while it will go back to where is was. If I were you, I'd first take a look into Selegiline. One reason testosterone levels decrease over time is a lack of dopamine caused be an enzyme that gets elevated by the time you age, called MAO-B. A daily dose of 1 mg Selegiline is plenty to prevent that from happening. In addition you can add a small dose of an aromataze inhibitor, preferable exemestane to prevent testosterone from being converted into estrogen, so you end up with more free testosterone. D-Aspartic Acid, Aswagandha and Maca are great OTC supplements that can help you increase your testosterone levels naturally. And don't forget to exercise.

Believe me you don't wanna make yourself dependant on exogenous testosterone. If you want an extra boost in sex drive, use a single dose of proviron. But don't stay on it.

Sorry bro but most of that is just false. You don't build up a tollerence to exogenous testosterone in the way you might with other drugs...you dont "desensitize" to it. The supplements you mention largely don't work in the real world and taking an AI as a way to raise free testosterone is a backwards way of doing tthings...

A dose of 100-200mg of a medium/long acting testosterone ester like cypionate or enanthate can be maintained for life with continuoius benefits and virtually no long term health implications.

Also this is the PED sub forum....we're all bodybuilders. Saying "don't forget to exercise" to guys who train 5-6 days a week using extremely intense and demanding routines seems a bit........unnecessary.
 
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As you said, androgen levels have to be lowered to regain AR sensitivity. Each time you go on a blast, your AR sensitivity decreases, and when you go back on your TRT, your sex drive isn't as high anymore. Even though you're still on a supraphysiologic amount. But it also depends on the type of compounds used.

Wasn't it the other way around, that more AR activation upregulates it? When a blast has to come to an end as the muscle growth has stopped, I think it's the increase in myostatin that ultimately limits gains in lean mass, not AR desensitization.

On a separate note, Testosterone increases Dopamine levels, so going from blast to cruise/TRT dose will leave the Dopamine receptors downregulated, which will surely impact one's libido, even if temporarily. Other steroids alter neurotransmitters levels differently from Testosterone, and Oestrogen levels also play a role.
 
Nothing really affects my sex drive. If anything nandrolone is the only hormone that increases my sex drive and it's less androgenic than test and it's metabolites. Using sexual function as a gage is kind of a flawed approach to determine sensitivity.
 
Nothing really affects my sex drive. If anything nandrolone is the only hormone that increases my sex drive and it's less androgenic than test and it's metabolites. Using sexual function as a gage is kind of a flawed approach to determine sensitivity.

Tren/Masteron/Winstrol and a low base of test when I was competing made my sex drive just stupid...

Like when you go to bed...have sex with your gf..she goes to sleep and so do you but you are awoken ever hour with a boner so hard it physically hurts.. and having to nip to the toilets at work to rub one out during the day (cringe at that one lol). Sex drive was just crazy.

Not sure if thst was down to 1 specific compound or just a net effect if all these highly androgenic drugs mixed together..

My libido one test cruise (200-250 week) is still pretty high. Luckily I've got a fairly accommodating gf or I would be fucked (or NOT fucked as the case may be lol)
 
You don't build up a tollerence to exogenous testosterone in the way you might with other drugs...you dont "desensitize" to it.

The body does acclimatize to AAS over time. How this happens still isn't known, but it does occur. Otherwise you'd continue to grow like in your first cycle.

The supplements you mention largely don't work in the real world and taking an AI as a way to raise free testosterone is a backwards way of doing tthings...

They do work but not as good as Selegiline. AIs are great effective tools when used properly. What's your problem with doing things backwards?

A dose of 100-200mg of a medium/long acting testosterone ester like cypionate or enanthate can be maintained for life with continuoius benefits and virtually no long term health implications.

That's true. It's convenient and cheap. I've done it for 5 years. Now I'm looking for more "advanced" ways without suppressing my HPTA.

Also this is the PED sub forum....we're all bodybuilders. Saying "don't forget to exercise" to guys who train 5-6 days a week using extremely intense and demanding routines seems a bit........unnecessary.

The TO said he was "relatively new to the world of testosterone". If he was interested in the performance enhancing benefits he probably wouldn't have asked for details on TRT.
 
Nothing really affects my sex drive. If anything nandrolone is the only hormone that increases my sex drive and it's less androgenic than test and it's metabolites. Using sexual function as a gage is kind of a flawed approach to determine sensitivity.

That's interesting. But everyone is different. It's indeed a flawed approach but it's the first one that came to my mind. The point is, you do sensitize to higher levels of androgens over time. Your body always finds a way to reach homeostasis, unfortunately..
 
Wasn't it the other way around, that more AR activation upregulates it? When a blast has to come to an end as the muscle growth has stopped, I think it's the increase in myostatin that ultimately limits gains in lean mass, not AR desensitization.

Both. It doesn't upregulate receptors. It synthesis new ones. Especially DHT derivatives

On a separate note, Testosterone increases Dopamine levels, so going from blast to cruise/TRT dose will leave the Dopamine receptors downregulated, which will surely impact one's libido, even if temporarily. Other steroids alter neurotransmitters levels differently from Testosterone, and Oestrogen levels also play a role.

That's also a point. Certain steroids even affect GABA, which has an impact on one's libido as well.
 
The body does acclimatize to AAS over time. How this happens still isn't known, but it does occur. Otherwise you'd continue to grow like in your first cycle.



They do work but not as good as Selegiline. AIs are great effective tools when used properly. What's your problem with doing things backwards?



That's true. It's convenient and cheap. I've done it for 5 years. Now I'm looking for more "advanced" ways without suppressing my HPTA.



The TO said he was "relatively new to the world of testosterone". If he was interested in the performance enhancing benefits he probably wouldn't have asked for details on TRT.

No offence mate but you're condescending, patronising and irritating as fuck.

I really don't want to disrupt the forum so you're going on ignore
 
From what I've seen/read I don't think there is much desensitization to hormones, there is just a change in the subject.

Lets take cocaine for instance. A given dose, when repeated, gives less and less of an effect. Why? The neurotransmitters in the brain change and the receptors may downregualte, there may be less dopamine available, etc.

With gear, a true desensitization would occur IMO if a person was 180lbs and administered 1,000mg of testosterone yielding X result. Then, later, the same person (doesn't really work but hypothetically) administers 1000mg of testosterone yielding 1/2X result. IME this isn't the case and is something we can't really compare due to the typical physical progression.

Personally, I truly notice a greater result now with X amount of hormone that I did early on with the same amount of hormone.

The factor that does change is the persons muscle mass. So, if a person runs X hormone at 180lbs then most likely the next time they run the same thing they will be heavier, say 200lbs. It's going to take more hormone to create more tissue above and beyond 200lbs than it did at 180lbs. Obviously other mechanisms like upregualtion of muscle inhibitors can play a part as well but at face value I think 'desentization' comes from a change in the subject, not the effect of the hormone.
 
Wasn't it the other way around, that more AR activation upregulates it? When a blast has to come to an end as the muscle growth has stopped, I think it's the increase in myostatin that ultimately limits gains in lean mass, not AR desensitization.

Yes, there is an up-regulation of the AR but after sustained elevated testosterone levels some desensitization occurs which leads to a decrease in mRNA levels acting as a negative feedback loop. In several cases it was found that the AR content increased but the binding affinity for androgens decreased resulting in a net loss of testosterone utilization. Essentially, after such a long period of exposure the extra testosterone (above a certain point) can become useless, whereas initially when first starting a cycle the extra free testosterone resulted in an almost linear dose-dependent effect curve. So, there's still benefit to an extended cycle (longer than 12 weeks) but the growth experienced isn't near what one expects an the beginning of a cycle... almost a sort of plateau effect. Leaving a 3 month gap or so between cycles resulted in a stronger initial response to the androgens.

On a separate note, Testosterone increases Dopamine levels, so going from blast to cruise/TRT dose will leave the Dopamine receptors downregulated, which will surely impact one's libido, even if temporarily. Other steroids alter neurotransmitters levels differently from Testosterone, and Oestrogen levels also play a role.

Different AAS can be responsible for varying effects on reward pathways. Long-term administration of nandrolone increased dopamine transporter density, In addition, the density of dopamine receptors was affected by AAS administration; D1 receptors were down-regulated in the striatum and nucleus accumbens, and D2 receptors were down-regulated in the nucleus accumbens, but up regulated in the caudate putamen. In a recent study, nandrolone administration decreased the expression of the D1 dopamine receptor in the nucleus accumbens, Furthermore, studies have reported decreased activity of the dopamine-metabolizing enzymes monoamine oxidase A and B and a decrease in the levels of the dopamine metabolites 3,4-dihydroxyphenylacetic acid and homovanillic acid after repeated nandrolone administration.
Several studies have reported AAS-induced changes in the levels of opioid peptides and their receptors in the CNS, In addition to dopamine and opioids, the neurotransmitter serotonin plays an important role in the context of reward, and AAS administration induces alterations in the serotonergic system..
Effects of AAS on other signaling systems in the brain, for example the glutamatergic, and various neuropeptidergic systems, have also been demonstrated (Hallberg, 2011; Le Greves et al., 1997; Rossbach et al., 2007). Glutamate is known to bind with high affinity to N-methyl-D-13 aspartate (NMDA) receptors, which are important for neuronal plasticity, including learning and memory...
 
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Is there a limit to how big single muscle cells can get? Unless one induces hyperplasia as well, lean mass increase through hypertrophy surely will hit a ceiling sooner or later.
 
I'm on test for life, probably should have waited a little longer but I was tired of busting my ass in the gym and having low levels.


The libido increase fades over time as the body adjusts. The way I keep my libido up is throwing in a compound every so often. I'm also on dht derivatives so my libido is usually pretty good.


The one drug that turns me into a sexual deviant though is tren, but even with that after the first couple of weeks it fades.
 
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