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Do women find bi men less manly?

I prefer guys who are confident in their sexuality. If I was with some dude that started freaking out that he encountered a penis other than his own, I'd leave immediately.

mal3volent said:
This might be too off topic, but why do they show so much dick in straight porn? What does a straight guy get out of a close up of a big throbbing dick? Are you supposed to pretend it’s yours or something? I’m just curious because I literally can’t understand it. Seems to me they’d try to show as little as possible.
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Because females also watch porn? And many of them enjoy seeing penis? Unless you commission something, porn isn't made just for you...
 
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animal_cookie said:
porn isn't made just for you...
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Nah, I know it’s supposed to be for women too. But fewer women watch porn than men, and those that do watch less frequently. And I’d imagine it’s not the same category of porn, either. You have to admit most porn is at least geared towards men.

I guess what I was trying to say...all this discussion about what is manly and what isn’t, MMF versus MFM, FFM versus FMF, or whatever. I’ve watched generic straight porn with generic straight male friends and there’s a lot of dick. If you’re a guy that can’t tolerate another penis being near you in real life, why do you watch so much of it on your computer? If I were that allergic to it, I’d watch only lesbian porn.
 
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as a gay i never had to put up with the whole unwanted gender in porn

would i get with a woman? i sometimes think about it but they need to be mega hot to cross the threshold but its still possible

my friend who is a lesbian watches straight porn cos she says stuff made specifically for lesbians is shit (however i dont know if she is watching a mainstream lesbian porn scene aimed at men as an audience or porn with cocks)
 
mal3volent said:
That’s cute. I hope you don’t ever have to experience what it feels like to have that word used against you or someone you care about.

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Gay men disparage bisexuals all the time too by the way. Some think they call themselves bi just because it’s more fashionable when in fact they are just gay. I hear it all the time. It would be a lot easier if people would stop trying to label everyone and just live their lives.
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That's very true that a lot of gay men don't like bisexual men and are very biphobic towards us. The same goes for lesbian women not liking bisexual women. It's nowhere near as bad as it was decades ago but it still happens.

I have a friend that's gay and he once said something about bisexual men giving gay men STDs, and how having sex with bisexual men is extremely high risk for HIV and other STDs. I did call him out on it saying how if he had not noticed for the past 45-50 decades, all through the heights of the HIV/AIDS pandemic 1.0 in the 1970s and 1980s, and even today you have lots of gay men who have sex with pretty much any man or group of men they can without condoms or "raw", "bareback". Or who want to get "bred" or be "holes" for "real men", and don't care if the other man is HIV+ or has other STDs, or if they spread HIV and other STDs to other sexual partners, and have the mentality that HIV and other STDs will not happen to them. Plus there are a lot of bottoms/passive types who will do or say anything in order to get cum in their ass, and top/active men who will do or say anything or even lie in order to not use condoms and fuck raw and shoot their cum in a man's asshole.

With the agressive marketing of the toxic drugs Truvada/PREP which are supposed to be used with condoms and safer sex practices you have gay men believing that it's fine to be a "cum dump" or "raw top"/"breeder" with any guy even someone that's HIV+ and that they will not get or transmit HIV or other STDs. Or some gay men have the mentality that as long as they take the toxic PREP/Truvada, or as long as the other man says he's on PREP/Truvada, or HIV+/Poz but undetecable that it's fine to have sex without condoms. My friend that's gay who lived in San Fransisco all during the 90s and early 00s told me how ALL of the HIV+ men he met had the death wish mentality that even though they were HIV+ that it was fine to do it "raw" or get "seeded" by other men who are HIV+ and were in complete denial about how they could get reinfected with another strain of HIV, transmit/infect someone with a new strain of HIV, make someone else HIV+ (some have the mentality that as long as they are HIV+ but undetectable on meds that it's fine to do it without condoms and that HIV infection simply will never happen, but this is not true), and get infected with a new strain of HIV.

It makes me want to avoid the ho scene, which is what I do.
 
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JessFR said:
Or a MMF threesome. I think when men think threesome they're thinking FFM. Fuck that shit. Boy boy girl sounds awesome.
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I once knew a bisexual man in a bar who lived a wild life, who told me how the best sex or "relationship" between multiple people consists of man/man/woman/woman with either both women heterosexual or bisexual, and the men bisexual.

I have also met a few gay men who said how the best sex or "relationship" for them consisted of themselves and three other men who are bisexual or gay.

I personally would not be really interested in any of that. Watching it in porn, or reading about it in fictional stories occasionally is fine but I don't want sex with that many people at once, and I have no desire to attempt a menage a trois/menage a quatre with multiple people living together and having sex together.
 
^you don't have to live together to be in a relationship. two of my partners are bi guys who live together, i just spend the weekend with them on occasion. my other partner is bi and we also don't live together. i didn't seek out any of these relationships, they just went from friendship to sexual hookups to more intimate/romantic. i don't think anything less of them because they are bi. we don't use condoms but we all get tested regularly and don't have random hookups. tho it does lead to lots of group sexy times :)
 
animal_cookie said:
^you don't have to live together to be in a relationship. two of my partners are bi guys who live together, i just spend the weekend with them on occasion. my other partner is bi and we also don't live together. i didn't seek out any of these relationships, they just went from friendship to sexual hookups to more intimate/romantic. i don't think anything less of them because they are bi. we don't use condoms but we all get tested regularly and don't have random hookups. tho it does lead to lots of group sexy times :)
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That's true. I have had open relationships with other bisexual men but either they would get jealous of me being with others, or in the case of the last person I was in an open relationship with he would lie, and then cheated at least once that I know of, and had unprotected sex with some gross guy he met on Craigslist that was HIV+ and on meds. This totally turned me off from ever having an open relationship again.

I'm not saying that people who are HIV+ or living with AIDS are gross but the guy my ex had sex with was into fisting and stayed drunk and in a benzo haze all day long while he would have random men over to his apartment to have unprotected passive/bottom anal sex with them.
 
^there is a definitely a lot of trust involved with open relationships. luckily, all my partners have been super trustworthy and not done anything sketchy. I could see how your experience would turn you off from open relationships.
 
Heh, I am actually surprised that on a forum which generally interests open minded people there is still like 30% of people agreeing with my assumption. Can you imagine what the general population thinks lol.

Since I asked the question it is fair that I put in my 2c as well, am a guy though. A lot of girls seem to like gay porn, but a lot of them also find bi men sketchy. Probably because they attribute it to promiscuity, diseases, or reduced 'alphaness'. One of my ex'es was super into exploring her lesbian side, got a chance with MFF, and already with clothes off while fooling around the guy tells the girls he was bi. My ex right away walked out lol. Other friends would stop dating guys once they found out the guys were bi.

Personally I think the assumption holds true for a decent percentage of girls and definitely a HUGE percentage of men. Yet IMO bisexuality is a spectrum, very few are 100% straight outliers on the bell curve. I am bi, but i find attractive very very few men, and all of the ones that I do like have feminine features. i.e. facial or body hair? barf.. Heck, even kissing a guy that I do find attractive makes me feel uneasy, but doing much dirtier things to them... hello boner. On the other hand, I would happily bang any female. It is bizarre, ugly girls can be a turn on, but ugly guys though, ewww. My GF on the other hand who knows I am bi, has been with hot girls with me in MFF but it is just not her thing, she does the bare minimum to them out of courtesy but no more. With MMF though, she is super into it. And not just because she is getting double D, she genuinely likes watching the two dudes with each other while touching herself. You would think with all this reinforcement I would not give a shit, but there is still some buried fear in me of being with guys in front of her.

It is also fair to mention how does one define manliness? If it is being stronger then other men then gay guys are probably more manly on average in the 30+ crowd. At least in my experience which is limited to edm underground clubs: a lot of gay guys are beefcakes in the older group while hetero guys just let themselves go. However I would define manliness not how strong a guy is but how appealing he is to women. Which is stupid, but logical and reinforces the original assumption. If one says manliness is not giving a shit about how appealing women find you, then lets extend the argument that all women find you unappealing. How do you reproduce? Going super alpha, club them and drag them to your cave?
 
I like anyone that loves themselves. would it put men off if I were bi? Doesn't put me off if a man is bi. I only ask love and respect.
 
Beings said:
if you are bi/gay then somehow you are less manly.
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i think a lot of women are threatened by the whole gay/bi scene, and I guess a lot of men are threatened by the lesbian scene.
 
Beings - I laughed my ass off when I read your post when you said, club em over the head and drag em to your cave. I mean damn, goin' all prehistoric on women uh? Hilarious!
 
I suppose it's a factor of how you act outside of the bedroom if they're friends, and if they friends with benefits. Don't get hung up on what others think, just have fun with it.

You find bi woman hot because you attracted to women, you may or may not feel the same way of watching to guys because it's more about sexual pleasure than physical attraction.
 
Sadie said:
I like anyone that loves themselves. would it put men off if I were bi? Doesn't put me off if a man is bi. I only ask love and respect.
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Maybe if a bit insecure they would be worried you would leave them for a woman?

I dunno. People worry about straying and maybe a lenis wouldnt be enough.

I dunno im celibate.
 
zephyr said:
Maybe if a bit insecure they would be worried you would leave them for a woman?

I dunno. People worry about straying and maybe a lenis wouldnt be enough.

I dunno im celibate.
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I think there's something to that. If someone is into both genders maybe it triggers insecurity in your (potential) partner because they'll have even more competition. Right or wrong, that's how some people feel.

Being celibate is smart. Monogamy is treated like a joke these days. Takes a lot of time, trial & error to find the right person who takes a relationship as seriously as you do.
 
w01fg4ng said:
^ Insecurity and ignorance go hand in hand. Several people are stupid.

The sad thing is, many take it to the next level of stupid.
Bisexual women are the number one target of domestic violence in the world. The second largest target? Bisexual men.
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That is horrendous! I don't understand people. You get with someone who you know is a bisexual, then beat that person because you feel threatened? Insanity.

I'm attracted to other women, but don't consider myself bisexual. If I were bisexual, maybe I'd keep that information to myself when seeking a partner.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
That is horrendous! I don't understand people. You get with someone who you know is a bisexual, then beat that person because you feel threatened? Insanity.

I'm attracted to other women, but don't consider myself bisexual. If I were bisexual, maybe I'd keep that information to myself when seeking a partner.
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It is insanity and it's understandable why so many bisexuals are "in the closet."

It's not easy for most people to "come out", but further more it's been my experience that it would have been easier to lie to many people and tell them I'm gay rather than the truth that I am bisexual. It's an easier pill to swallow for a lot of people because homosexuality IS easier to understand than bisexuality even though homosexuality is a lot less common. Men, women, gay, straight, friends, lovers and family members have all been people in my life who had a very difficult time with the concept of bisexuality for one reason or another. It's not an easy subject and many people choose to ignore their own ignorance of it.

It's easy for hatred to breed where understanding is missing. People choose physical violence over empathy because they feel like they will never understand and it angers them greatly. This may hold true for any aspect of who you are as a person. People are complicated and the labels we make for ourselves rarely help others to understand us better. Understanding takes time and a simple "I'm bi" is rarely enough for many people, including those who love you. It's pretty much hell, but with the chance of sounding cliche, it does get better. I do have friends and family who have "come around," so to speak, and that feels really good.
 
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