thank you all, yeah Im aware of the risk of liver damage , I get tested every 3 months for it . I've had a slight increase in alt and ast, but I've had that for at least 15 years so no increase yet to warrant any intervention. ( knock on wood) I've been on Norco 9 + years , everyday use . and I take it at 12 am because my days are backwards . My Dr gives me this because never have I once said my script was lost, never called him saying I lost my pills, etc , so any issues he glady prescribes for my adhd, and Klonopon for my Anxiety . he has no idea I take over my script , but when I'm ready to cut back I will, meantime I do what I feel like meets my needs . I'm one of th very few 30''s he even gives C2 substances to . and he knows I research my stuff beforehand and I am aware of risks , plus I get drug tested every 6 months for other narcotics so for now nothing he's seen off. he has asked when I'm getting off the Norco, , and I said not possible since it's one of the few things that's work , I did bring up it being less effective , but he said to take extra Tylenol , with it. he's told me the insurance is on his ass to get as many patients off pain meds, which I can see why, me taking that many isn't good . but again , with no option on starting oxy, or something stronger I'm stuck. and how I get my extra meds is a connect that has 5 diff ppl give him their meds and he turn's a profit ( lucky him) but I know it'll catch up to me soon, sometimes I feel like my liver is screaming at me... but withdrawls are hell. I've only been 5 days unto that a few months back, and I wanted to end it. so unless mentally I'm ready, I'm just making sure I'm not in immediate danger with that combo .