Doing fucked up things on amphetamines - pedophilia?

Karau

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Four years ago I, uh, stumbled into the porn folder of the guy I was fooling around with. I found nothing out of the ordinary, just regular porn - except this one file. "14-year old..." - didn't see the rest of the title. I immediately asked him about it, he said it was a joke. Something to show his buddies for shock effect - and yes, he does have that kind of humor. He will do anything to shock people. It's stupid, I know. I dumped him some weeks later, not because of this, but because of his drug abuse.
At this time, he was doing a lot of cocaine, amphetamine and pills. Mostly IV. He suffered a lot during comedowns, and was pretty much psychotic whenever he wasn't high. Not the high (PI) point in his life at all.

Now, however, he is clean as a whistle, and wants to be with me. We are in love, actually, and this could go places. He's been doing great progress, and yada yada - but I still remember the porn incident. I've confronted him about this several times, and what he says is that it was probably a joke, that he did weird things in the past, that he can't confirm nor deny that he was high at the time and that he knows it was a really stupid thing to do. That it was nasty, disgusting, etc.
I've talked to him extensively about this now. I do know some of his friends and I did see proof that they had that sort of humor back then. They were/are all tweaker dudes who, for some reason, descend to utter depravity when they're high. Not (necessarily?) in actions, but in words and, as proven, media consumption. It's not an excuse. I think it's disgusting. If it's any, uh, consolation, it seems that this depraved humor doesn't stop there. They'll just as easily shock each other with videos of people being murdered, they'll make obscene jokes, they'll do anything for a "kick". Again, not making excuses here - but it seems that the general vibe is "shock by being disgusting" rather than "wank it watching young teens". My gut tells me that the part about it being part of some sort of joke is true. However, that doesn't mean he DIDN'T wank off to it at some point. I asked him plenty of questions, like; "Did you ever wank off to illegal girls", "did you ever find teens/kids hot", etc. Like, truly probing. And sure, he might have lied about everything he said, but he claimed he had never wanked nor found them attractive.

Should I believe him? Or, if he indeed did download that video for himself and not as a joke, should I forgive it? I mean, I know people do crazy, sometimes sexually disgusting things on speed and recently off it... But this? Should I run?
 
It is impossible for anyone else to know his true intentions behind having child porn. Either way it is absolutely disgusting and the behavior of a sick man, if you ask me. Laughing at child pornography is pretty appalling behavior on it's own... I don't see anything remotely humorous about it and would think you would have to be pretty sick to see humor in that type of behavior.

Even if his behavior is directly linked to amphetamine or cocaine use it does not excuse it in my mind.. If someone has gotten clean and changed their life, forgiveness might be possible but there is no excuse for it.

I can't imagine someone openly admitting that they are pedophiles or have pedophilic behavior, especially when questioned by someone who they may lose because of admitting to it. An admission of guilt would mean having to fully accept and deal with their own behavior rather than just deny it and pretend it didn't really happen..

How you want to proceed is entirely up to you.. drugs will literally make people crazy. I would think it is a matter of trust in terms of the relationship as you won't be a victim of that type of behavior but a child easily could be...
 
I look at extreme fucked up shit all the time online sometimes even involving children and this made me gasp. CP is not a joke it victimizes children just by existing. That said he was obviously sick in addiction, psychotic it sounds like at the time. If he is truly repentant for what he did it's up to you whether to forgive him or not. You sound obsessed about it, it might be a deal breaker.
 
Well... I mean.... Is 14 really considered CHILD porn? I mean... When someone says child porn I immediately think of little kids.. the actor in the porn vid is most likely NOT 14 right? I don't know why guys , excuse me, SOME guys I guess... Get turned on by young girls...14 . That's LOW. Your a scum bag if you would really victimize a kid like that.... Ok 14 is a kid. But CHILD porn to me is a whole other level of screwed up. That is unforgivable. 14 is pushing the line but I think it's still on the better end of it. At least it's on one side,not the other. Imo..... So I can see what you meant about the humor part of it... That's pretty sick but it's NOT like a 12 year old. Imo... It's really not. I'd forgive him especially if he was on meth... And isn't anymore....
It would still make me cringe when I thought about it though , if he was my dude.... But I would not run.. if you love him especially.
 
If he really is clean I would give him another chance.... Most real pedo's prefer girls who haven't gone through puberty yet, which is much more fucked up in my opinion. Plus you only found one video, if he was really a pedo, he would have tons of videos and you would be able to tell right off the batt.
 
Well... I mean.... Is 14 really considered CHILD porn? I mean... When someone says child porn I immediately think of little kids.. the actor in the porn vid is most likely NOT 14 right? I don't know why guys , excuse me, SOME guys I guess... Get turned on by young girls...14 . That's LOW. Your a scum bag if you would really victimize a kid like that.... Ok 14 is a kid. But CHILD porn to me is a whole other level of screwed up. That is unforgivable. 14 is pushing the line but I think it's still on the better end of it. At least it's on one side,not the other. Imo..... So I can see what you meant about the humor part of it... That's pretty sick but it's NOT like a 12 year old. Imo... It's really not. I'd forgive him especially if he was on meth... And isn't anymore....
It would still make me cringe when I thought about it though , if he was my dude.... But I would not run.. if you love him especially.

No. BAD. if someone starts going "well you know this is actually called ephebophilia and it's not as bad as little children blah blah blah..." run far, far away. No difference. In a way even worse.
 
Well... I mean.... Is 14 really considered CHILD porn? I mean... When someone says child porn I immediately think of little kids.. the actor in the porn vid is most likely NOT 14 right? I don't know why guys , excuse me, SOME guys I guess... Get turned on by young girls...14 . That's LOW. Your a scum bag if you would really victimize a kid like that.... Ok 14 is a kid. But CHILD porn to me is a whole other level of screwed up. That is unforgivable. 14 is pushing the line but I think it's still on the better end of it. At least it's on one side,not the other. Imo..... So I can see what you meant about the humor part of it... That's pretty sick but it's NOT like a 12 year old. Imo... It's really not. I'd forgive him especially if he was on meth... And isn't anymore....
It would still make me cringe when I thought about it though , if he was my dude.... But I would not run.. if you love him especially.

How would you feel if it was YOUR 14 year old daughter?!

A pedophile is a pedophile. Under 16 is OFF LIMITS! A 17 year old with someone who is 60 is still wrong! Taking advantage of children! I'd leave after giving him a mickey (this was the term used in the 90s for a flaming hamster up the ass). Okay sorta jk as it would be animal abuse!
I would have to leave personally. If I ever found out he got with a child (under age teen) I would personally fuck him up. Safer for both of us for me to leave.

Also won't you always be wondering if he's checking out kiddie porn? Leaving would be peace of mind.
 
How would you feel if it was YOUR 14 year old daughter?!

A pedophile is a pedophile. Under 16 is OFF LIMITS! A 17 year old with someone who is 60 is still wrong! Taking advantage of children! I'd leave after giving him a mickey (this was the term used in the 90s for a flaming hamster up the ass). Okay sorta jk as it would be animal abuse!
I would have to leave personally. If I ever found out he got with a child (under age teen) I would personally fuck him up. Safer for both of us for me to leave.

Also won't you always be wondering if he's checking out kiddie porn? Leaving would be peace of mind.

Absolutely - 14 is NOT acceptable and in the eyes of the law a minor!
 
How would you feel if it was YOUR 14 year old daughter?!

A pedophile is a pedophile. Under 16 is OFF LIMITS! A 17 year old with someone who is 60 is still wrong! Taking advantage of children! I'd leave after giving him a mickey (this was the term used in the 90s for a flaming hamster up the ass). Okay sorta jk as it would be animal abuse!
I would have to leave personally. If I ever found out he got with a child (under age teen) I would personally fuck him up. Safer for both of us for me to leave.

Also won't you always be wondering if he's checking out kiddie porn? Leaving would be peace of mind.
I feel you but, he wasn't actually WITH a 14 year old. That would be different!! imo. Your speaking as though he's slept with a minor.
 
No. BAD. if someone starts going "well you know this is actually called ephebophilia and it's not as bad as little children blah blah blah..." run far, far away. No difference. In a way even worse.
Forgive me but how is it WORSE?
The guy is clean now. It was ONE file . She didn't find a whole cache of underage porn. To me odds in his favor of it being a sick joke. Labeled "the 14 year old" like ha ha "the 14 year old" May be hard for some people to be understanding and take ones overall humor into account.. Since it is a serious topic. But it makes a difference in my judgement towards him.
It would make me cringe inside , and wonder about him. But if the guy isn't showing signs of being obsessed with 14 year old kids , then imo, she should not leave the guy she loves for some crap he thought was funny while tweaking.
 
Forgive me but how is it WORSE?
The guy is clean now. It was ONE file . She didn't find a whole cache of underage porn. To me odds in his favor of it being a sick joke. Labeled "the 14 year old" like ha ha "the 14 year old" May be hard for some people to be understanding and take ones overall humor into account.. Since it is a serious topic. But it makes a difference in my judgement towards him.
It would make me cringe inside , and wonder about him. But if the guy isn't showing signs of being obsessed with 14 year old kids , then imo, she should not leave the guy she loves for some crap he thought was funny while tweaking.

It's worse in that if someone is making distinctions and splitting hairs about the age of fucking children they are beyond any help "Man at least this 15 year old isn't a toddler" is as sick as a fuck as a toddler fucker. The same or worse because they are into grooming children.

Not saying the OP is experiencing that but I saw this attitude coming up in the thread and wanted to address it.
 
Some things are NOT appropriate "joke" material. I don't care how wasted someone is it doesn't justify watching child porn "as a joke". To me it sounds like bullspit!

Yompf why do you feel the need to justify this person's perverse behaviour?
 
I'm not justifying all victimizers...
Only this guy , in this case , as the OP described it. And really I'm just saying , it's ok to give him a chance. So long as there aren't anymore signs of this nature.
 
Wow... last I checked, anything under 18 would be considered child porn and illegal.

Seeing humor in child porn seems just as depraved as being sexually aroused by it, just in different ways. One might be a little more stigmatized, but they both are a sort of predatory behavior that involves an underage victim..
 
^well idk then , it's just that when someone says CHILD porn I feel a whole other level of fucked up. 14 is sick ,I'm not saying it's not. I just personally feel very uncomfortable when someone brings up victimizing little kids. Like little little . Child porn just makes me think of the little little kids. Now wait a min I'm not saying that 14 is not a little kid because I know it is. But it's just a LITTLE different to me.
Doesn't matter though. It's not appropriate joke material i agree. I would not hang around someone who thought that any underage girl getting victimized is "funny"
But the guy didn't even remember the file. He said it was probably some crap while he was high. I'm with seeing the best in people even though this subject is very personal to me. I want to go head and say give him a chance because deep down I know guys , even normal , nice guys , can be sick creeps , but maybe they don't mean it... He's clean so give him that , and let him try at a relationship with someone who is no doubt capable of making their own decisions and judgements. It will never be forgotten that , this file was found, joke or not , high or not ,doesn't matter,it was there. He has to deal with it no matter how he meant it , because there is this girl who loves him and says the relationship could go further... Who knows , a family , who knows, beautiful son's or daughters who knows.... love is powerful , I just want to see it have a chance and I want to show this person love even though his mistakes ,no matter how personal it is to me.
The way OP described the situation , I think he's ok , more then likely NOT a predator creep . Whatever else he is , I don't think he is that. And I'm SURE he doesn't this funny.
 
If its for real he probably has some repressed memories of being mollested as a child. That plus some drug addiction and it comes out as a dirty kinky thing to watch. He is probably an addict because of it. But I strongly doubt he will go out and prey on kids. Instead of keeping a constant eye on him and making him feel speculated and judged talk to him about it and make him feel safe.
 
1 video? I dont think he is into that stuff, might downloaded while really tweeked, but if there was folder with tons of that stuff, would be different thing.

this. he was spun, he most likely did do it, most likely will never think about it again.
 
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