Dmmda-2

[Kayman]

Hi there,

I have stumbled accross DMMDA-2 some time ago and was wondering if anyone has experience with it?
Why DMMDA(2) ? Well it´s legal. (Btw this would be a ideal RC why hasn´t anyone sold this yet?)
There are only few trip reports which don´t go in detail too much so please provide me with your experience and oppinions on this

Thanks !

EDIT
I will update you with the bioassay soon.

 

[Kayman]

With DMMDA-2
30 mg of the freebase were used for smoking.

T- 00:00 Used a Vulcano vaporizer to vape the freebase. I had to refill the plastic bag 10 times until all the freebase was vaped and no more smoke was produced. I held my breath as long as I could with every hit I took. My lungs feel strange and slightly irritated. After the 5 bag I start to feel the effects. My face gets warmer and I feel a slight body high and euphoria.

T-00:10 I feel pretty stimulated and euphoric and put on some music. There is no erotic but I have a strong urge to talk to my gf and think a lot about my life.

T- 00:40 I´m peaking now and sweat a lot. My heart rate is up to 110 but my head is really clear compared to mdma. There is strong empathy and I my vision is kinda blurry. I have zero appetite and my dick looks like I took a shower in ice water.

T- 01:30 Comedown is quite pleasant actually. It has some kind of afterglow feeling

T- 02:30 I´m back to baseline and feel like I would have smoked too much weed yesterday.

I really enjoyed the effects but think that vaping isn´t a good ROA. My lungs still don´t feel right and the effects last too short. Beside of that DMMDA-2 is a really interesting substance even though not mindblowing. Was it worth making? From my point of view yes but that´s mostly because of it´s legal status.
I will update you about the HCL and oral ROA soon.

EDIT: If this belongs to trip report section please move this post.

 

[Goodwalt]

Interesting! Keep us posted.

 

[Volsam]

I would be very interested to try it, looks like it has similar structure to GANESHA. I would go for oral administration.
Also wondering why is it not being offered as an RC?..8)

Thanks for posting this Kayman!

 

[Kayman]

I haven´t had time to try it by myself but a friend of mine used it at a rave yesterday. We talked just for a few minutes so this is not really a trip report but I hope you find it interesting nevertheless.

He swallowed 130mg wrapped into a piece of tissue on an empty stomach. After 30 minutes he started to feel the effects mainly physical throughout his body which was followed by a mda like feeling and euphoria also severe jaw clenching. Only mild empathy and a blurry vision from 2nd-4th hour. At the 4th hour the effects got considerably weaker. He said he was still quite stimulated but had no urge to move. He then started to drink beer. He can´t tell if he felt anything beyond the 5th hour because of his alcohol intoxication.

I think this is a really weird substance. I would have thought that at this dosage there must be a lot of empathy since it was there for me when vaping it but according to him there was barely enough to socialise more than usual.

Also wondering why is it not being offered as an RC?..8)

Yeah right? There are so many weird methylendioxy cathinons out there... I just don´t get why they don´t stick to the classics.

 

[Volsam]

He swallowed 130mg wrapped into a piece of tissue on an empty stomach. After 30 minutes he started to feel the effects mainly physical throughout his body which was followed by a mda like feeling and euphoria also severe jaw clenching. Only mild empathy and a blurry vision from 2nd-4th hour. At the 4th hour the effects got considerably weaker. He said he was still quite stimulated but had no urge to move. He then started to drink beer. He can´t tell if he felt anything beyond the 5th hour because of his alcohol intoxication.

Shulgin posts the dosage as around 50mg. Perhaps him taking 130mg at once would explain the jaw clenching?.. I would go for 80mg myself for the first time, or 100mg staggered. I think I would like it as I'm a MDA type of person, not so much into MDMA - enjoy feeling stoned and content, rather than wired and emotional.

I think this is a really weird substance. I would have thought that at this dosage there must be a lot of empathy since it was there for me when vaping it but according to him there was barely enough to socialise more than usual.

I have noticed with MDA and APBs/APDB's that different people would get different responses, sometimes quite polar - I know people who cant stand MDA's "sticky" stoning stimulation, so that could be it in that case.
I would be interested in your findings about oral ROA, Kayman, please post!

Yeah right? There are so many weird methylendioxy cathinons out there... I just don´t get why they don´t stick to the classics.

Yes, I agree 100%. If any of the makers are reading this, please consider! %)

 

[LucidSDreamr]

please keep us posted.

 

[Kayman]

Shulgin posts the dosage as around 50mg. Perhaps him taking 130mg at once would explain the jaw clenching?.. I would go for 80mg myself for the first time, or 100mg staggered. I think I would like it as I'm a MDA type of person, not so much into MDMA - enjoy feeling stoned and content, rather than wired and emotional.

Hm I guess 30mg vaped would have caused jaw clenching too then, but it didn´t. Anyway this side effect is not a big surprise. Your comparison is pretty on point actually.

Yes, I agree 100%. If any of the makers are reading this, please consider! %)

I actually contacted one major vendor some time ago. They put it on their list but never heard anything back from them. (1 year ago)

 

[Kayman]

00:00 Ingested 70mg in a capsule

00:50 come up takes long so I decided to boost it with N2O. Holy shit that feels amazing my body high is very euphoric and I have pleasant audio sensations.

01:30 Stronge urge to talk which gets enhanced by music. I have a good and clear conversation with my friend and we joke a lot.

02:00 We smoke a blunt and I am peaking now. All of the sudden negative thoughts come into my mind and a feeling of dysphoria and sadness fills me. It´s noteworthy that there are a couple of things in my life that don´t go well like my dad having cancer. I decide to take some kratom to numb myself.

03:30 Feels like 50 mg of tilidin and 60 mg of mdma to me. Except there is no empathy at all but my mood is definitely better now.

04:15 I feel kinda dizzy but still stimulated.

06:00 Back to baseline. I order some pizza which tastes great. Sleep was easy to achieve

 

[Kayman]

@ KZAKVN Check your Inbox

19mg 4 HO MET + 100 mg DMMDA-2

00:00
I went for a walk with my girlfriend (let?s call her A) who ingested the same amounts as I did. It?s autumn where I live so the leafs have all kinds of colors now so we headed towards a small forest to enjoy this. We had to walk over a lot of fields and hills and the whole environment looked beautiful.

00:50 We both feel like our brains slowly turn into mush and have some minor stomach discomfort. I begin to see traces and if I focus I can see first signs of patterns forming on the ground. I yawn frequently but don?t feel tired at all. I always wonder why that is on Tryptamines and we talk about this without any result since we can?t keep our thoughts straight.

01:15 I feel super euphoric and the visuals hit me very hard. My GF is amazed by this and we look at the sky. The clouds look incredible with the sunlight. I wonder how much of what I see is in my imagination and we talk about our visuals. The patterns look extremely clear and aztec like faces appear everywhere which have super colorful. A takes my hand and leads me to a spot which lies up on a small hill. We sit on a bench and look down to the forest which lies in front of us. The trees begin to form into some kind of 3D Mandelbrot. The Sky consists out of a web and the web is made our of traces and patterns in every imaginable color. My body feels euphoric, orgasmic, warm and also like I?m made out of pudding. I don?t think that I could flex my muscles or could build up any kind of tension right know.

02:00 We have completely lost track of time and we both have trouble to see because we both can not distinguish objects or tell how far or close an object is. We talk a lot but mainly gibberish stuff. I pull out my phone and we watch a short clip out of a documentaion about paradise birds. These birds have super funny and weird mating rituals and also look absultely beautiful. We start to laugh extremely hard about the birds dancing around. I don?t think have ever laughed this hard I can?t breath, talk or stand up straight. As I laugh I close my eyes and I have the most colorful CEVs I?ve ever experienced. I feel super energetic and am full of positive energy.

03:00 We make out a litlle and have sex somewhere in the forest. It felt amazing but I couldn?t focus for too long since the visuals are still pretty intense. We finish and decide to walk home.

04:00 The effects of the 4 HO MET begin to fade and leaves us with a good feeling about the day and our relationship. We try to cook something but are way to drugged to follow the recipe.

05:00 The comedown is kinda unpleasant and I feel exhausted and tired. Sleep is impossible though.

I manage to sleep at the 12th hour and had some super weird and lucid dreams. The next day we felt full of energy and kinda rebooted. This is an awesome combination which I will definitely do again. I think DMMDA-2 enhances the effects of 4 HO MET the same way MDMA enhances the effects of 4 ACO DET but in a much more pleasant way.

Side effects were:

stomach discomfort
visual impairment (obviously)
insomnia
jaw clenching
inability to eat even if I was hungry

 

[G_Chem]

Awesome work Kayman! Please please keep this up, such novel research (well under researched at least..)

And also please follow up on DMMDA. I've been very curious of it as the possible missing link to the reason MDMA was claimed to be so much better and stronger in the 90's when supposedly according to the old timers 50-75mg would have you flying for 6hrs. Back then the main synthetic route used at the time (leuckart) produced DMMDA as one of the impurities. The supposed change of the MDMA back then also correlated well with the change of synthetic routes towards the late 90's.

What I can tell you is that adding simply 10-15mg of MDA to a dose of MDMA changes the effects considerably. By the sounds of it DMMDA could potentially be even more potent than MDA by a decent amount. Having that as an impurity could of very well caused the differences the ol timers speak of. (I started rolling in 05 so I can't say.. But what I will say is that MDMA still works just fine for me these days.)

Again this is much appreciated, keep it up brother

-GC

 

[Volsam]

@ KZAKVN Check your Inbox

19mg 4 HO MET + 100 mg DMMDA-2

00:00
I went for a walk with my girlfriend (let?s call her A) who ingested the same amounts as I did. It?s autumn where I live so the leafs have all kinds of colors now so we headed towards a small forest to enjoy this. We had to walk over a lot of fields and hills and the whole environment looked beautiful.

00:50 We both feel like our brains slowly turn into mush and have some minor stomach discomfort. I begin to see traces and if I focus I can see first signs of patterns forming on the ground. I yawn frequently but don?t feel tired at all. I always wonder why that is on Tryptamines and we talk about this without any result since we can?t keep our thoughts straight.

01:15 I feel super euphoric and the visuals hit me very hard. My GF is amazed by this and we look at the sky. The clouds look incredible with the sunlight. I wonder how much of what I see is in my imagination and we talk about our visuals. The patterns look extremely clear and aztec like faces appear everywhere which have super colorful. A takes my hand and leads me to a spot which lies up on a small hill. We sit on a bench and look down to the forest which lies in front of us. The trees begin to form into some kind of 3D Mandelbrot. The Sky consists out of a web and the web is made our of traces and patterns in every imaginable color. My body feels euphoric, orgasmic, warm and also like I?m made out of pudding. I don?t think that I could flex my muscles or could build up any kind of tension right know.

02:00 We have completely lost track of time and we both have trouble to see because we both can not distinguish objects or tell how far or close an object is. We talk a lot but mainly gibberish stuff. I pull out my phone and we watch a short clip out of a documentaion about paradise birds. These birds have super funny and weird mating rituals and also look absultely beautiful. We start to laugh extremely hard about the birds dancing around. I don?t think have ever laughed this hard I can?t breath, talk or stand up straight. As I laugh I close my eyes and I have the most colorful CEVs I?ve ever experienced. I feel super energetic and am full of positive energy.

03:00 We make out a litlle and have sex somewhere in the forest. It felt amazing but I couldn?t focus for too long since the visuals are still pretty intense. We finish and decide to walk home.

04:00 The effects of the 4 HO MET begin to fade and leaves us with a good feeling about the day and our relationship. We try to cook something but are way to drugged to follow the recipe.

05:00 The comedown is kinda unpleasant and I feel exhausted and tired. Sleep is impossible though.

I manage to sleep at the 12th hour and had some super weird and lucid dreams. The next day we felt full of energy and kinda rebooted. This is an awesome combination which I will definitely do again. I think DMMDA-2 enhances the effects of 4 HO MET the same way MDMA enhances the effects of 4 ACO DET but in a much more pleasant way.

Side effects were:

stomach discomfort
visual impairment (obviously)
insomnia
jaw clenching
inability to eat even if I was hungry

Thanks for the TR, Kayman! Very nice...8)
Sounds pretty similar to my experimentation with 4-HO-MET and MDA - I usually take MDA and follow it with Metocin couple hours later, to make up for peaks time differences and just to settle in the MDA's mood first.
You mentioned stomach disturbances, were these substances taken on empty stomachs or with something eaten earlier? Any interesting CEV's noted? Metocin+MDA gives me solid bright CEV's for hours to enjoy.

G_Chem, thats interesting note about synth process and DMMDA-2 being an "impurity" back in 90s. I agree with you on adding some MDA to MDMA - always liked that too. %)

 

[Kayman]

Awesome work Kayman! Please please keep this up, such novel research (well under researched at least..) And also please follow up on DMMDA. I've been very curious of it as the possible missing link to the reason MDMA was claimed to be so much better and stronger in the 90's when supposedly according to the old timers 50-75mg would have you flying for 6hrs. Back then the main synthetic route used at the time (leuckart) produced DMMDA as one of the impurities. The supposed change of the MDMA back then also correlated well with the change of synthetic routes towards the late 90's. What I can tell you is that adding simply 10-15mg of MDA to a dose of MDMA changes the effects considerably. By the sounds of it DMMDA could potentially be even more potent than MDA by a decent amount. Having that as an impurity could of very well caused the differences the ol timers speak of. (I started rolling in 05 so I can't say.. But what I will say is that MDMA still works just fine for me these days.) Again this is much appreciated, keep it up brother -GC

I didn´t know that, interesting ! Guess that is something I may test one day. And yeah, even small amounts of MDA added to MDMA make a huge difference but I actually don´t like it that much. How does it feel to you? I would love to try a 5MAPB/DMMDA combo but I´m a bit afraid to do so because I tend to have sex on those stuff and since it isn´t good for your heart I´m not too sure if that´s a good idea.

You mentioned stomach disturbances, were these substances taken on empty stomachs or with something eaten earlier? Any interesting CEV's noted? Metocin+MDA gives me solid bright CEV's for hours to enjoy.

We both had something to eat before but stomach discomfort with 4 HO MET is normal for me. The CEVs were extremely colorful, clear and detailed and a mix out of patterns/mandelbrot/kaleidoscope

 

[G_Chem]

I gotta say 100mg MDMA 25mg MDA (utmost purity of course, purity with MDA is really important and can drastically alter the experience IMO) is one hell of an experience Typically on the come up I'll literally go cross eyed for 15min or so, I love it haha. In my area MDA is much more common than it sounds like in other parts of the world, most of the local presses are MDMA/MDA combos. With all that said, MDA was more fun when I was younger. As I've gotten older it seems to be hit or miss, and often I do MDMA/5-MAPB combos cuz it's honestly the most reliable way for me to roll hard every time. (Low doses of the peebs though to try an avoid cardiotoxicity.)

I obviously haven't tried DMMDA but from everything I've read that combo with 5-MAPB could potentially be a game changer. Smart to be cautious though, curious if anyone knows the potential for DMMDA to be cardiotoxic (and/or neurotoxic for that matter) or is this substance too under researched...

I can't tell you how excited I got when I saw this thread by the way, DMMDA and the others have always interested me. Thanks again! I'll be keeping my eye on it.

-GC

 

[Tranced]

I gotta say 100mg MDMA 25mg MDA (utmost purity of course, purity with MDA is really important and can drastically alter the experience IMO) is one hell of an experience Typically on the come up I'll literally go cross eyed for 15min or so, I love it haha. In my area MDA is much more common than it sounds like in other parts of the world, most of the local presses are MDMA/MDA combos. With all that said, MDA was more fun when I was younger. As I've gotten older it seems to be hit or miss, and often I do MDMA/5-MAPB combos cuz it's honestly the most reliable way for me to roll hard every time. (Low doses of the peebs though to try an avoid cardiotoxicity.)

I obviously haven't tried DMMDA but from everything I've read that combo with 5-MAPB could potentially be a game changer. Smart to be cautious though, curious if anyone knows the potential for DMMDA to be cardiotoxic (and/or neurotoxic for that matter) or is this substance too under researched...

I can't tell you how excited I got when I saw this thread by the way, DMMDA and the others have always interested me. Thanks again! I'll be keeping my eye on it.

-GC

That's interesting regarding MDA - where do you live, roughly?

I haven't seen (or heard of) an MDA pill in the UK since 2008 when I had some pretty powerful MDA sharks. From about 2002-2006 it was pretty prevalent. Not sure what happened.

Typically on the come up I'll literally go cross eyed for 15min or so, I love it haha.

So true. I really love MDA.

 

[G_Chem]

Midwest, US. Ahh.. Same here my man

I remember reading about those sharks going through some of the old threads on here. We had "Mints" here for a number of years which often contained MDA. (Old threads about those beauty's actually on this site.) I'm pretty sure my first MDA pill was mintmans first press, I'll never forget that night I remember weirding out my friend cuz I wouldn't stop telling him how much he meant to me lol. Had cops chasing us around town super trooper style fucking with us, to be a teen again..

I never trip too much from MDA though like some people, it's just a fantastic roll if everything goes properly.

This summer all I could find at the local small festivals was some nice looking shard sass (mda) but none like 4yrs ago when the whole area was flooded with shards so clear you could read print thru em. I kick myself in the ass though cuz every time I run into it I only have enough money for small amounts. The only place I can think of that has us beat (according to EData) is northeastern US, New York area on MDA availability.

Sorry to majorly derail the thread Kayman, I'll shut up about MDA now

-GC

 

[Kayman]

With 100mg snorted DMMDA (not DMMDA-2) I don´t know why but I felt the strong urge to try this ROA... I must say that this was probably the biggest waste of the first bioassay of this substance. Anyway here is my TR: 00:00 Smells like a lesser stinky mexedrone mixed with mdma. Burns just like mdma and leaves a bitter disgusting taste. 00:20 There is something going on. I´m sweating, my heart rate is up and I feel a little more euphoric. 00:30 Getting kinda horny but I have a limb dick. 00:50 Is there more coming? I have blurred vision which is pretty amazing since the other effects are so weak. Maybe the phikal entry was not wrong when comparing it to LSD? My headspace is pretty clear though. 01:30 My body feels weird to say the least. I can´t focus much on anything and decide to listen to some music. When I close my eyes there are pictures forming in front of me. No patterns no psychedelic stuff but clear scenes of people drawing. When I try to focus on details in that picture they fade which really annoys me so I open my eyes again. The rest of the trip was spend with watching netflix. There was no empathy and only mild euphoria, no stoning feeling and zero rolling. What really amazes me were the CEVs which I haven´t expected. I am sure this ROA was pretty damn useless and I feel like I have wasted this whole day. The only conclusion to make is that I think that DMMDAs effects differ greatly from the ones DMMDA-2 produces. I am curious about mixing these 2 substances in a 50:50 ratio what do you think? Sorry about the formatting idk how to fix it...

 

[G_Chem]

Hey Kayman much appreciated

Looks like that theory is probably not right unless there is some synergy taking place.. The only other impurity that could be the culprit would be N-formyl-MDMA which is actually found in pretty high amounts. I've found no research on MDMA in particular but the N-formyl analog of PMMA is found at around 20% which if we were to extrapolate that's a pretty high amount of impurity. (Likely much higher than DMMDA was found Im sure..)

Regardless thanks again for crossing one more potential theory off the list, not every day you can talk to someone who can whip up these Chems to play with.

With that said I'd still love to hear an oral report

-GC

 

[Kayman]

@G_Chem I did some research as I was wondering what exactly the chemistry behind that impurity would be. It turned out that the impurity in mdma you are talking about is not the actual DMMDA but N,N-dimethyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine. DMMDA 80 mg Oral I didn´t take any long notes beside of some keywords typed into my phone to document my trip because I just wanted to get wasted that night so forgive me that I´m a little short on this. 00:30 Sweaty palms, blurry vision, this is going to be intense 01:30 I don´t know how to describe what is going on with my vision. Colors are more intense. Everything is glowing and if I focus there are shapes of patterns on the walls 02:00 Heartrate is through the roof. Music is deeply relaxing. Teeth grinding is present. 04:00 For a minute a pattern appears on the wall. I can see it as clear a every "real" objects in the room like someone has painted it. I have never seen anything that clear on any drug before while feeling so "sober". I have taken 200mg 5HTP before so I don´t know if there is a correlation. 06:00 Feeling exhausted. Take a clonazolam and go to sleep. I know this report is not particulary interesting or informative but could someone with pharmacological knowledge tell me why I was seeing that pattern so fucking clear? Has it to do with the 5HTP ? It was there only for a minute but so clear it was unbelievable. A better report will follow. Sorry for the formatting I don´t know wtf happens everytime I post something

 

[G_Chem]

Ahh completely my bad man but thank you for pointing that out to me. So I suppose my theory could still stand?

That definitely sounds like visuals akin to mescaline and MDA to me. On mescaline (and especially combined with LSD or some tryptamine) I'll get very real visuals that I can look at and fully examine while staying very lucid. I've seen tribal tattoos all over my body, I once saw a car driving at me while hiking down a road until I blinked and it disappeared, lots of craziness. Maybe this substance allows for similar visuals with an even more sober mindset compared to tryptamines and even other psychedelic phenethylamines.

-GC