Tarot Cards Are Real

[LandsUnknown]

In the past, I have been skeptical about them as they appeared to me as a mere random game. However, after I actually began using tarot cards for their intended purpose today, I have realized that there is no chance whatsoever that there is anything random about them. They are a legitimate tool to peer into the future and receive powerful and entirely accurate information for our lives. It's incredible that this work, but there is definitely something to this. These cards are so much more than mere cards, they're a method of communicating with ultimate truth.

For anyone who doesn't believe me, just go to the link and see for yourself: http://serennu.com/tarot/pick.php?nc=0&deck=

And keep in mind I'm not a superstitious person or anything. Not at all. In fact, prior to using them, I thought the whole thing was nonsense but clearly I was VERY WRONG. These cards are truly a portal to something that is infinitely wiser than us humans. Yeah, this probably sounds totally nuts to anyone who never has used tarot before but I guarantee you won't think I'm crazy anymore if you start using the link I posted, that's for sure

 

[JessFR]

And the fact that that they originated as an ordinary card game a little like modern day bridge and only became associated with the occult later on and that the whole lot far from being ancient are only a couple hundred years old? That doesn't somewhat hinder the credibility?

 

[Mysterie]

i recently got into oracle cards and am interested to get a tarot deck and learn how to do tarot readings

i like jodorowsky's 7 min video on tarot, found this recently

for someone like myself who can easily get ungrounded, indulge in extreme black/white thinking get tunnel vision, consulting oracles definitely helps me to stay balanced and be active with my dreams.

of course if you don't feel drawn to playing with cards then theres no reason to, whatever you believe to be meaningful, becomes so.

do you have a deck @landsunknown?

 

[noone1]

Whether there is any supernatural going on is besides the point. Personally I do not believe so. You are tapping into your subconscious by introducing ritual and random elements. It is the basics of "magic"

 

[Foreigner]

Tarot cards actually originate in ancient alchemy. The first European set (the Visconti deck, I believe) was created as a private game for a wealthy Italian family, but the symbolism in the deck was drawn on from much earlier decks. They didn't just invent the card forms out of nowhere.

Western Tarot originates from Bablyonia and ancient Egypt. Most of the deck symbols, like the Greater Arcana, are very, very old and are steeped in mysticism. The practice of Tarot was not just for divination but for personal alchemy. The practitioner would consecrate the deck and then work with each individual card, invoking its magic into their day-to-day lives. Each card then became integrated into the practitioner's psyche, which was why the oracles became so powerfully accurate at using the cards to help others. The personal Tarot process evolved the practitioner's consciousness. Try doing a 52 week alchemy process with a traditional deck -- it's NOT easy.

Most of the classic European decks preserve the alchemical symbols. I think the Visconti deck is missing one card, which was re-created in modern times. Apart from that, the artwork points to the ancient style. The only modern deck I know of that effectively captures the ancient alchemical symbols is Crowley's Thoth deck.

The other modern new age decks are pretty useless. They depart from the alchemical symbols completely, water them down, or they mix and match from other traditions.

Tarot cards do have their own independent magic that isn't just merely the user's projection, as long as the alchemical symbols are in tact. Like the ancient understanding of number combinations and sacred geometry, certain patterns illicit certain lock-and-key activations in consciousness. That's how traditional Tarot works. It's just that not many people practice it this way anymore. You usually need to find a lineage practitioner to pass on the knowledge.

 

[yompf]

Nothing strange to me. They are a tool. Predicting the future in a way like, if everything were to go along the same current path then the outcome will be such... Or letting you know what's going on NOW with you and others in your life.
Anyway , I used Brian frouds faeries oracle for years. I connected with them. . It was a joy having them in my life but they are not with me anymore. Hopefully I will connect with them again...
Anyway , it was a trip, I lost my cards 2 times and they came back to me... Once on a train in SF, someone returned the back pack to lost and found . I mean , what are the chances of THAT happening in San Francisco?? Come on. and once in Seattle on a bus... I found them in a trash can .the girl said I was lucky cus the guy usually takes it out . I ended up calling my phone that was stolen , and I was led to the can by the guy who supposedly "bought" my phone.says he saw ",the guy"(but it was really him) tossing my stuff in the trash.
I guess he saw the cards and was afraid of some evil spirits coming after him for messing with them. Cus he made some comment. Lol ha ha. Just faeries nothing bad !! Glad I got them back though!!...You know each time I lost them a card was missing.....
It has nothing to do with superstition. Not everyone will go along with this , no sense trying to convince them. I mean like, don't waste your energy getting defensive. Maybe you could get a deck you feel a CONNECTION too and practice doing readings with your friends. I never went beyond the faeries.
Anyway, dive deeper!! , it's exiting when you start to figure out there is more to all of this . You know what I mean...

 

[swilow]

However, after I actually began using tarot cards for their intended purpose today, I have realized that there is no chance whatsoever that there is anything random about them. They are a legitimate tool to peer into the future and receive powerful and entirely accurate information for our lives.

You started using them 'today', and you already knew there is "no chance whatsoever" in their ability to predict the future? How can you possibly know this already?

You always start threads like this. Forgive me if I relegate it to the realm of fantasy, exactly where tarot cards belong.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

@Foreigner The B.O.T.A. deck also has the original ancient alchemical symbolism.

 

[Fresco]

Will these Tarot cards help me get a date with Angelina Jolie

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

They are just meant to allow you to know yourself and do whatever you are interested in. If that's your focus I imagine it could possibly get that date, but you'd have to put in the personal energy where it was required. The Tarot is not "magic", it's more like a tool that lights up your path so you can navigate it.

 

[Volsam]

I agree with yompf and White_Rose that Tarot cards are tools (for self-understanding and self-exploration IMO).

I like using Tarot cards, as well as Runes. I own a deck and couple of sets of Runes. They are very similar as a tool in their approach.
I think the general misconception about such things stems from the majority of folks desiring to obtain something from using them and it's never going to happen that way.

IMO the basis behind using such tools lie in the deep understandings of basic archetypal images, accepting the "fate" of a random drawing, and connecting all the meaning points inside our mind in a certain way, which kinda becomes an observational point from the quantum physics stands, that is by merely observing and placing our attention anywhere in the Universe, we ultimately change the result of whatever we are observing, in that particular case it's our mind patterns mainly. The importance of Tarot cards (or Runes) is in the symbolic meaning of each archetypal image being examined at the specific point of your life.

Another thing that many don't consider when think about such tools is that every reading require focused meditation and letting go of rigid thinking prior to use, so the mind will get on point to what it wants to know or uncover within itself.

IME if you take it seriously, lots of thought food will be prepared for you by using such tools as Tarot cards.

Runes are probably even better - if you take your time to learn the alphabet, the meaning of each letter, the symbolism behind. Also with Runes, you can make them yourself from clay (lots of recipes online) and even use your own blood to inscribe the letters - this way it will have an even deeper meaning to the user.

 

[alasdairm]

For anyone who doesn't believe me, just go to the link and see for yourself: http://serennu.com/tarot/pick.php?nc=0&deck=

this link doesn't really support your claim as far as i can tell - it's just a tool to let you 'randomly' select cards from a deck. what am i missing?

i have a couple of friends who put stock in tarot and, for them, there's a lot of ritual associated with the physical deck itself e.g. clearing or cleansing the deck

you get absolutely none of that using an online tool so, for me, there's a disconnect there too.

alasdair

 

[Fresco]

Can Tarot cadrs help me get the winning lottery numbers??

 

[Foreigner]

Can Tarot cadrs help me get the winning lottery numbers??

Not really... and in general it's hard to use magic or divination to win the lottery because of the sheer millions of people who are also more or less all trying to do the same thing with their hopes, wishes and intentions. It's much easier to gamble on a smaller scale and win, which is what the smart magicians do at casinos and such.

 

[swilow]

To predict the future, you would need to know everything already. At least, in a deterministic universe.

this link doesn't really support your claim as far as i can tell - it's just a tool to let you 'randomly' select cards from a deck. what am i missing?

alasdair

I was totally underwhelmed by that too. Nothing happened.

 

[Fresco]

To predict the future, you would need to know everything already. At least, in a deterministic universe

You would also have to take human free will into account

 

[yompf]

The future is not fixed. Tarot would just give you the outcome based on the path you are on now . Which you can change at any time

 

[swilow]

You would also have to take human free will into account

But do we have free will? If our consciousness is ultimately derived from the activity of particles whose behaviour can.only be determined through causality, free will cannot exist. All matter and activity is determined by a prior cause, all future action a result of past causes, unless consciousness is something (the only thing) NOT obeying the laws of cause and effect, free will is simply an illusion.

I would then ask why we would evolve such an illusory real time experience of reality and I've never come close to being able to answer that. In a sense, our experience of free will almost defies science. But, there have been experiments which demonstrate that the electrical activity of muscles commences just before the electrical activity associated with 'choosing' to act commences. Our experience of free will may just be a result of us choosing to interpret our behavior that way.

 

[Foreigner]

The free will vs. determinism thing is just another human binary that creates a false dilemma. It can be either or neither.

Like sometimes I do a tarot reading and it gives great advice, even future predictions, but it seems very plastic... and it ends up changing, rendering the reading kind of irrelevant. It's a momentary snapshot of the future based on current potential, but you get up and walk away from the reading and things already start changing. Then there are other times when the reading ends up being so concrete that nothing I do can avoid the outcome. There was one time when I repeated a reading 5 times and got the exact same 7 cards despite shuffling the deck, and it was all because I refused to believe the reading.

So sometimes, there are inbound things that we have no control over, and other things where there's more choice. We probably have some deterministic qualities, surely, because of our biology and the material limits of our physical bodies. But we also live in chaos, and the chaos can produce randomness or harmony, spontaneously... and within that, we have some degree of co-creation and participation.

 

[swilow]

^But couldn't 'chaos' simply be subjective? Perhaps everything perceived as chaos would be discernible/rational from an objective, gods-eye view.

But yeah, you're right in saying free will v determinism could be a human binary, but perhaps its actually not. Perhaps there is only one state. Unfortunately for dreamers, the laws of physics are immutable which is why we can say that all particles have a destination that was written during the big bang, and there has yet to be a force demonstrated that can change that. Philosophically, if a thing happens, it was always going to and no decision would have changed that. Unfortunately for physics, consciousness and will appear inexplicable and their reality cannot be easily denied. Subjective experience is not, by default, flawed. Its the only experience or lens with which we can examine this reality, and it appears that we can in fact be unpredictable and chaotic. I would say that the human brain is easily the strangest thing we've discovered, and its also the place in which we make these discoveries. How strange.

Future prediction seems rife with confirmation bias. I think we tend to overlook or ignore the abundance of predictions that don't come true simply because they are like drawings made in water and hold no form in human consciousness. Or we perceive an event as confirmation and then connect it to our prediction simply because our brains are wired to seek patterns and connections, rather than seeing it as chance and that we didn't predict anything but simply guessed an outcome that randomly occurred. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, etc.

But, in the quantum universe, none of this is even happening. Time is not a property there, it is unchanging and the concept of future or past are functions tacked into the macro world by our subjective experience, so there can be no predictions of a non existent future. There is no such thing as heat or movement in that world, nothing to react with or against each other, just endless sub atomic particle clouds of eternity. Or something. I just liked the sound of that. :D