Withdrawing from subs and ocasional meth use

[newbiecodone]

Hi I allready written the whole story then somthing about a security token so Iam going to be short . two years I have been prescribed with suboxone 8/2mg I took the whole tablett only 4 times in all two years at first I met this woderful girl we fell in love and when we were shooting up she never could do it herself so I did it for her and there was somthing romantik about that when she just put her head on my shoulder and we were in a bliss well two months later it was a different story I havent had any proper opiat high from it after month or two it was just helping with my social anxiety and was generaly a better persone to be with but I dont want to be dependent on somthing that does not even give you a buzz only relief was when we ran out and after 3 day sober there was a minute reliefe and back to normal I know iam stupid I mostly 99% just IV it i started to be antisocial just was home and reading books and then to work I loved her to death but shit happens so she has this huge cyrcle of peole we moved to othore bigger city and she just adapted I did not want contacts with people max was work and store shoping so i got boring for her thaths normal but to my point this is the 5th day of juping of of 0.8mg s of Suboxone after day nothing second and third we went back to our home towns and country and I went out with some old friends and met some new guys which was like a breath of fresh air for me because i was never that much antisocial I am a bit shy but I allways forget about it and it disapears so I never had problem talking to a girl or anything like that so had a good time. I stockpiled alprazolam and triazolam for sleep last night I ate 6 mgs of triazolam which normaly I would be sleeping like a log of wood :D I did not even have those weird halucinations when you take rohypnol and stay awake nothing so I got a bit of sleep around noon today 30 mins max horible nightmare ofcourse and I want to ask two Q´s friends when is it going to end or start because I know my eyes are watering nose running stomache probllems maybe not so much tryed eating as little as posible and somthing diet and second Q is it a good Idea to micro dose some morning a bit of meth IV I dont fuck with smoking it eating or snorting ... I exercise swim I take care of my veins and stuff but meth no way Iam going to do that without a siringe and a good pipeline on my hand.... so just let me know if low dose meth in mornings is good or bad and how long can sub wd last

thank you bluelighters I am registered a long time heere but this is one of a few threads I posted in period of 4 years
learned a lot mostly harm reduct.

with kind regards Tommy

 

[Mafioso]

Never tried subs personally but I would have to guess that it would be similar to methadone. I would say 2-8 weeks of severe withdraw, likely not longer that a month but I'm not sure. You may have post acute withdraw symptoms for up to 2 years, usually 6-12 months, but all depends on your mental health and how extensive your drug use was.

I really do not think adding meth into the equation is a good idea. It may help you get past the initial withdraw but then you will be dealing with a possible meth addiction. Your going to have to feel like shit while going through the withdraws, there isn't any way to avoid them that I know of. There are things you can do to help cope with them and maybe reduce them to a degree, like positive thinking, meditation, having a support group, proper nutrition and exercise, but nothing to totally negate them that I know of. I'm pretty sure using meth will just make the ups and downs even worse, it will probably add to the anxiety and urge to use opiates to be honest.

To some degree all you can do is tough out the withdraws. Making it past the initial withdraws keeps some people on the drug for way longer than needed.

 

[newbiecodone]

thank you for the information well I ve been using meth very rarely because I just dont like stims ok your talkative and friendly for few hours then next day you have a hell on earth or at least I am so hypersensitive to meth that first time I did a line I did not sleep for two days sttraight and my friends they eat and sleep at the end of the same day they used... so Iam more worried about benzo addiction than the meth anyway day 8 slept from midnight till 4:30 I still manage to do a little streching and exercise and Iam doing some small chores because I came to my fathers house from another country where I actually live and today I feel really bad have a very bad caugh fits till I dry heave from it I really need to update my CV and stuff because Iam changing workplaces I have time until 30th of sept so do you think I would be able to get thorugh and interview lets say on the last week of september I have a recomendation everything looks good if I would not have the wds I would be sure I would get the job I am good at interviews and really do my work with focus and effectivity but now I just update my CV and just read it its just mistake after mistake I know in here I just write quickly so I dont really give that much importancy to grammar I just want to comunicate the mesage but you know the CV´s got to be spotless.And I had these good thoughts when I started kicking that again I would be the old me with friends doing music like I allways did continue swimming and stuff because on subs I was just alone home and at work and it was just depressing now all those good thoughts faded away there gone nothing good will come of it etc.... I realise this is the wd but I dont even know what to say dont know if Iam sick on top of the wd or what Iam really down the drain today.

 

[yompf]

You can take something like Norco or Percocet to ease your sub withdrawls. Just don't do em long enough to get dependant. It will help a WHOLE lot. I jumped off of a very low dose of sub once after a taper I did for maybe a month. Maybe longer I don't remember. But I took ten mg Percocet once a day for 11 days and drank a lot of whiskey and I was ok after. I jumped at less the .8 though.
That wasn't the last time I used opiates to help with sub withdrawls. It can last up to 30 days.. anyway, those will help a lot and methadone also but DONT do methadone for more then 5 days. That's my advice.
Oh ya. Benzo addiction is HORRIBLE. Its worse then opiates and it's dangerous to your health.(seizures) My friend.... DONT let yourself get dependant on benzos..
And DONT get addicted to meth. I don't like stims either so I thought I was immune to getting addicted to it. But it actually changes the pathways in your brain . I got dependant on it . You WILL become addicted if you keep doing it , guaranteed.its just science. Shooting it is a terrible thing to do because it feels so good . Needles are addicting as well Don't shoot it. Unless you don't mind a meth addiction. You will lose yourself my friend... You will lose yourself...
Consider a detox program. There are people who have been through what you are going through and they can help you.. ask yourself what is important to you. It's good you are getting off the sub. It's the right thing to do. But don't get addicted to something else in the process.. shooting meth isn't a good idea. let all this go..

 

[newbiecodone]

well Iam actually from europe and there is no methadone and I dont want another long acting opioid anyway I got my hands on some codeine 300 mgs without paracetamol just codeine and I dont know in the early days I loved it it would make feel good now I took 60 mgs my normal euforic dose was 300 beffore subs and it just doesnt do much more than prevent the shits.... for which I have immodium anyway my mother just found a bag full of syringes and bloody cottons and stuff so thats that .... and I basicali have alprazolam and zolpidem but they just dont work because at the end of the subs period I had some bad times depresion lonelynes myy ex left me so I started doing a lot of alprazolam with the suboxone made me at least nod a bit but then I caught myself doing as much as 6 mgs at once ... also I can get apaurin which is basicaly valium in a vial for IV use causes a brief strong rush of euforia burns as hell in the vein because it is ment to be put in a drip bag infusion .... so if I take the alprazolam like 10 mgs on top of that 20mgs of zolpidem Iam just dizzy and cannot sleep either maybe for an hour or so the detox thing is just not possible here because I dont know I am determined not to use suboxone so why would I Sit with a bunch of alcoholics which are agresive towards addicts of other drugs i had friends there and a cousin so I know and my psychiatrist who prescribed the suboxone was basicaly breaking the law and the whole psych ward knows taht Iam a stupid junky my father was a surgeon in the same hospital for 35 years so its not easy for them even though I have money put away from my job and I really need to get straight away to another one I just want to be my old self again making music socialising gaining weight I could have been a farmacist but aaa what am I blabering about anyway I had some traumas during my life some fails and just now when I can support my self have a good salary and just want to change corporations I want to get off the subs because they were causing me problems I work in neighbouring country and I need to go for the subs to my own country so if I ran out early I just could not go to work and that is not good Iam allways punctual allways earlier to work and trying to get better in it but when the wd kicked in I just did not go to work I did some cottons and puked my guts out day after taht I was okay doctor basicaly called me a lyar and then the problems started so I neeed to get off this shit until I go to the other workplace. There are people on 32mgs of subs per day for 8 or 10 years and I barely used 4 mgs dayli for 2 years not even full two years so I dont know why is am I feeling this fucked up and with the meth yompf friend I know I will stop today and yes Iam a needle addict I IVed suboxone almost exclusively and never had an abscess .... thank god you are write meth is a dirty shity drug reaks of iodine and Iam stuffing it in my arms Il try to tough it out thank you veryy much for your advices hopefully its going to get better aafter another week

 

[Mafioso]

I would think the first place to start would be ROA... stop shooting stuff and likely your cravings and WDs will be less severe and it will be easier to taper. Injecting always carries with it the worst side effects.

Stop injecting, kick the meth first then start tapering off subs. Don't worry about other people, it does no good to compare ourselves to others in this circumstance. Just focus on yourself and what you can do each day to get better. Try to move forward by reducing the amount used or at least not increasing it.

Any euphoria you experience will be limited and will only be followed by some very unpleasant emotions, probably some dysphoria. Let your body heal and your mind level out and you will find that in time you don't have such strong urges to use and that you are able to cope with your emotions with a sober mind. We all have struggles. Shooting up might bring temporary release but in the long run it will leave you worse than where you started.

best of luck.

 

[motiv311]

You will be kind of depressed when you quit subs and meth.... these drugs are both really hard on your dopamine centers in your brain..... they really fuck with your natural responses to happiness and stimulation.... you can have really harsh comedowns when you take both substances in the same day..... I wouldn't recommend it , fucked with me for years.... and took years to quit.... and then depression followed and I still deal with that.

 

[newbiecodone]

Hi guys I have a update I quit the meth flushed it down the toilet I since I can get the codeine I tryed it out and its totally different now I dont even need the alprazolam dont even want it neither meth I take 90mgs which I think copared to a 4mgs of suboxone everyday IV is way lower in the chart and it helps miraculously I dont want any meth that was actually the reason of being depresed almost suicidal now today I took my first codein and I can now update my CVs for my job applications and I can actually function eat I will see how will it be with the sleeping but thats not the worst thing so no more meth or suboxone for me and I think if I take 3times one tablet a day it will help like now Iam feeling so good I actually ate normaly for the first time. Iam on day10 now and my positive atitude starts getting back Iam a bit tired because I only slept every day until 5 am and Iam a bit dodgy looking because I only weight 60 kilos my normal weight is 75 so hopefully this will work and I next week on monday lower the dose to 2x one 30 mg a day without benzos because I was starting to get worried I would be on benzo WD too not realizing it and even if for some reason I would get codeine addiction :D it will still be way better then this but I wont because this is just the thing I needed to do just get the weakest posible opiate and do a low doseve and it helped me so much I cant even believe it... so now I can get work up the CV I need for the new jobs I just did a good year of corporate work so that will be good on the CV and hopefully the interview wont be sooner than the end of september if Iam on day 10 now on 30th of sept it will be 33 days and now that I can actually eat I can gain my weight back and start excersising so guys thanks for all your advice when I started the thread I was in a very dark place but now I have all the optimism back also one more question can I substitute the benzos with a bit of weed its decriminalized where I live so its cheap and it helps me sleep indicas .

 

[motiv311]

Wait, are you still IV'ing ? You should stop that, what are you IVing , suboxone or codeine? both of those are not the safest to IV in any case. Codeine is ok to use, but maybe you should consider switching to Kratom since it will help more with your energy levels and depression. This was one of the hardest combo's i've ever had to quit.... Like I said the depression issues will be around for awhile but don't give up! it does get much better the longer you stay away from the meth/subs. .

You should be good to start introducing some marijuana back into your routine now that you got some of the withdrawals behind you.... Be careful with the benzodiazepines because those WD's can be worse than opiates! Make sure you are eating breakfast everyday, with as many calories as possible. Start supplementing your diet with some sort of high calories protein shakes.... Either homemade or something like Ensure.... Drink with every meal. I have a Vitamix blender and really love making my own smoothies and protein shakes..... You can use Vanilla Ice cream to make your protein shakes really taste amazing. I used to sell Blenders at Costco and so I am a pro at making all sorts of Health Shakes if you want some tips.... It can become an addiction in its own right (albeit a HEALTHY addiction!) lol , I love making my own "Super Greens" smoothies with loads of Spinach, Kale, Spirulina , etc.... but I also throw in a lot of Pineapple , Strawberries, Bananas, raw eggs, Vanilla protein powder, french vanilla cream , coconut milk , and like I said because you are trying to gain weight some vanilla ice cream to really add texture and sweetness. Good luck with everything!

 

[newbiecodone]

motiv311 Iam off suboxone for 10 days now and I was IVing it for almost two years I know very stupid at first I just snorted I was so stupid I just wanted som H to try it I allways knew that that would be my drug of choice opiates from the first dose of DHC I was in love with opiates chased them in summer on poppy fields in winter through doctors and I attended a farmaceutical university so I knew that if I took some panadol ultra rapid it contains I think 8mgs of codein and lots of paracetamol and some coffein and codein is metabolized to morphine in your body so I poped a few of these and went to the psychiatrist did a piss test and was offcourse positive for morfine derivates :D I Was so proud look I have shitloads of suboxone and at that time I actually got high from it like dreamlike state noding etc.... before this I could not get any opiates so I had good grades girlfriend but it was never enough so I just one day went and bought some insuline siringes and in our city where I come from its like 50 000 population small city but there is a huge meth presence here so I banged my first shot of meth and I emediately felt the burning in the throat which we called exhaling the dragon anyway I never did like a 5 day binges I was allways very sensitive to stims and allways low doses as if my tollerance for stims is nonexistent but I did not like it as much as opiates so I started later with the suboxone and after a year I was allready working in a corporation nice position good pay but I IVed suboxone like mostly 2mgs max 4mgs everyday before night shift or work just so the time pases more quickly and I just went to work and then just watched shit series and was starting to fall in to this lonely depresion where I did not want to socialize with anybody and then I ran out of my script earlyear which never hapens because the doc wanted me to do 8 mgs a day and I never did that but my girfriend at this time wanted to try it too and damn man I would not let her but she did it anyway while I was at work offcourse she got hooked and this is causing me much much pain we are basicaly WDing both at the same time but we are just friends now anyway to the point IAM 10 DAYS off suboxone yesterday FLUSHED my last meth and tomorrow Iam going back to the neighbouring country with very loose marihuana laws where I will have a job interview just dont know when hopefuly not next week :D so Iam not IVing nothing and Iam just so happy that 60mgs of codein which did not get me high never even without tolerance helps me this much with the WD´s and I lost 15kgs due to the meth but I am not craving it and Iam definately not craving suboxone thats for sure so thanks I love shakes vanila shakes fruit shakes and I need to like gain weight so that I dont look like a junky because people are starting to tell me that I look older or is it just the goatee I have :D Iam 24 years old and I in my early twentys everybody thought Iam 15teen years old :Dso its kind of weird to hear that Iam looking old or some people say Iam just very skiny well 60kgs is like very litle weight ... so Il follow your advices friend and thank you for all the advice on the nutrition

 

[Mafioso]

Hopefully you will be able to get some rest and get your appetite back once the meth wears off.

Go easy on the herb, it can exacerbate the depression and loneliness IME. When I was WDing off of benzos, after a psychotic episode and having a grand mal seizure, I found that it made me extremely paranoid and anxious as well as giving me mild hallucinations.

Try to take it easy if possible. Most people who have problems with addiction tend to use drugs to cope with stress. Stress will likely trigger some cravings or urges to use, as well as boredom and loneliness. If there is anyone you can be around who may be able to help take care of you or at least will understand and wont be judgmental it may be a good idea to hang out with them.

 

[newbiecodone]

Thank you all for giving me these helpful tips I haven touched the needle or meth or suboxone since you told me that meth is not very helpful with the WD I havent had any benzos for 3 day now and dont feel that the situation would be worse. All I take is some Panadol that contains 500mg paracetamol and 8mgs of codein once or twice a day today Iam feeling a bit worse but I noticed that its not gradually getting better some day are better some are worse. Tommorow its going to be two weeks of no suboxone so I just wanted to thak you for helping me out

 

[Rachella666]

Hi Newbiecodone, I notice that you mention Panadol, we have that here in Ireland, do you mind me asking what country you are residing in?

 

[motiv311]

Hey keep up the good work newbie.... If you and your girlfriend are quitting together , then thats awesome.... It can really strengthen your relationship if you stay strong and help support each other.... once its all behind you , you will feel like you can conquer anything as a team.... Its also true that most times the boyfriend/girlfriend will have a relapse and drag the other person into the drugs again , so most of the time I would say its a dangerous thing to have a partner who is also battling addiction. Just try to be the strong one ! and don't give in no matter what....

The first time I quit opiates I was about your age, maybe a little younger, like 22 or 23.... I had been using since I was 17, and I quit using suboxone for about a year.... I didn't really do opiates again until I was 28, and this time I got really into heroin because it was easy to get amazing quality stuff in San Diego (where I lived at the time) went to rehab when I was 30 . . Relapsed when I was 31, and then I quit cold turkey about 3 weeks ago. So you are gonna probably have relapses, just like everyone, but the trick is to really really dedicate yourself to remaining sober, and if you do mess up - don't beat yourself too hard, just get back on the wagon and keep going ... you will start to see that you feel better when youre sober, and people like to be around you more when youre sober.