Do you believe the theory that everyone is bisexual to some extent?

[SamanthaB]

Hi, Yes, I believe in the theory. I posted this elsewhere on this site, but it seems appropriate to post it again here:

Human beings sexual orientation (how they identify themselves sexually) is on a continuum. At one end are the heterosexuals and at the other end are the gays, with the bi-sexuals in the middle. We all fall somewhere on that continuum. There is no right or wrong. You are what you are. With all that being said, having relationships of all kinds when you are young, particularly, is perfectly normal and wanting and/or having different kinds of sexual experiences say with a same sex partner is also normal. These experiences help you work out in your own mind as you mature how you identify yourself sexually.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I like the idea of the Kinsey Scale

I think I'm a 2 or 3, but not entirely sure. Pretty pathetic when it comes to romance these days, or the dearth of romance these days...

 

[nuttynutskin]

I notice how adamant a lot of "straight" men are about asserting their orientation, denying that they have ever experienced any attraction to the same sex. I feel that a lot of people are in denial about their own sexual fluidity.

This is what irritates me... Just because someone is adamant that they're straight doesn't mean they're in denial, it means they're set in their sexuality most likely. Sounds like you're projecting to me.

 

[JessFR]

Nah, I think they're right. I can buy that some people are just straight, and that's all good. But a lot of people, and especially a lot of men are overemphasizing how straight or how not gay they are for social reasons. How straight they actually are in reality doesn't make much difference.

It's sad. But you see it all the time.

If they were truly secure in their sexuality, I'd think they wouldn't feel the need to go so over the top in emphasizing their heterosexuality.

You don't see nearly as many gay men or women of either sexuality going on and on about how "I don't have a <insert denied orientation> bone in my body, the very idea of it sickens me. In fact if a <insert sex preference of denied orientation> we're to come on to me I'd want to throw up."

Etc etc. someone who's secure in themselves and their sexuality shouldn't feel the need to show it so much. Such emphasis suggests another underlying motive. Such as homophobia, social pressures, or either of those combined with homosexual feelings. That kinda thing.

 

[CFC]

There's a claim that sexuality isn't a completely normal distribution curve due to ideological distortion. Make of it what you will...

 

[nuttynutskin]

You don't see nearly as many gay men or women of either sexuality going on and on about how "I don't have a <insert denied orientation> bone in my body, the very idea of it sickens me. In fact if a <insert sex preference of denied orientation> we're to come on to me I'd want to throw up."

There's plenty of gay guys that flaunt their sexuality so what's wrong if someone who's hetero does?

 

[JessFR]

I hope you're not intentionally pretending you misunderstood me, cause I thought I was pretty clear.

This isn't about flaunting it, it's about exadurated levels of disgust. Strictly speaking though, there's nothing to say it can't happen the other way around where say, a gay person pretends to be more repulsed by the idea of straight sex out of social pressure from their gay friends, but I don't think it's nearly as common.

Either way around though my point is the same. I don't buy it, I think it's socially conditioned response. An excessive display that isn't representative of the truth motivated by social pressure to conform to ones peer group.

The question is if everyone is innately a little bit bisexual. I tend to think the answer is yes, or at least a lot more yes than a lot of people portray themselves.

Sure, not everyone is bi, most people probably aren't. I'm not suggesting that. I am suggesting that almost everyone is probably a lot less innately straight or gay than they portray themselves though. That of all the people, mostly straight men, who excessively portray themselves as never ever having a gay thought and being repulsed by the idea etc, etc are doing so mostly for social reasons that aren't honest to their innate sexuality.

Which would explain why straight men do it by far the most often. They have the strongest peer pressure to do it so they are the most likely to. Gay men probably do it occasionally too for the some reasons only out of pressure to conform to their social group of other gay men. And women of either orientation rarely do it at all because in general women's sexual orientations are generally under a lot less pressure to conform. Women are much less likely to experience negative reactions to sexual experimentation where orientation is concerned. But straight male social norms exert a lot of pressure to conform. And so naturally many straight men pretend that the idea of homosexual behavior is a lot more repulsive and impossible of them than is innately true.

I don't think it's deliberate dishonesty. I think most of them believe it themselves. But only because they're also not being true to themselves.

 

[used2bgood]

I have lived a mostly straight life but I still label myself as Bisexual because I do occassionaly like to suck a c***, especially after it has been servicing my wife or his. I do not go out and search for male sex but do acknowledge it's existance with out any trapidation.

 

[nuttynutskin]

The question is if everyone is innately a little bit bisexual. I tend to think the answer is yes, or at least a lot more yes than a lot of people portray themselves.

What makes you think that?

Sure, not everyone is bi, most people probably aren't. I'm not suggesting that.

But you did say "Yes, I don't think almost anyone is pure straight or pure gay".

 

[JessFR]

What makes you think that?



But you did say "Yes, I don't think almost anyone is pure straight or pure gay".

Cause the way I see it, being bi means you don't have such a strong preference for one sex or the other that it would preclude relationships with either. But while plenty of people aren't interested in relationships outside those consistent with their orientation, I doubt many people are so purely straight or gay that they innately have absolutely no homosexual or heterosexual thoughts some of the time.

Basically I don't buy into the extremes. That if you do this one thing even once you're gay or at least bi. That sort of thing. I think most people are innately much more fluid than they pretend.

What makes me think that? I can't really give you a more objective answer than to say instinct. It's just my read on people. How and why they behave how they behave, how they think etc.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

You know that phenomenon is kind of fascinating. I only look at gay porn, had some sex with men, and yet it seems like a pretty big hunk of straight men are into that genre, which grosses me out (the porn, not the people). I'm not gonna call it bisexuality though. It also seems not to include non-porn and non-sex worker trans people.

So why don't you come out as gay then? Or are you already out as gay or bisexual? I don't know your sexual orientation or history but my friends who are gay men, even the ones who had sex with women when they were younger and closeted only look at gay porn, and only now have sex with men.

Contrary to what you see in bisexual and gay porn marketed for bi and gay men, and what you read in erotic fiction no guy that's actually hetero/straight is going to be in gay/bisexual porn or porn where they have sex with men-contrary to the myth about porn you do not make a lot of money from it, and the same goes for if a man is hetero/straight and horny and sober or on drugs he's not going to go out and have sex with men even if women are not available.

The whole "gay/bisexual for pay" myth is just marketing from porn studios who do this since there are a lot of gay men who need the fantasy of having sex with a hetero man, and based on biphobia/homophobia and bisexual erasure.

 

[Scrofula]

Thanks, I'm pretty sure nobody actually believes "gay-for-pay" or "broke straight boys" are documentaries, and I'd bet pizza boys get laid far less than the industry suggests.

Of course, that's not what I was talking about--I was talking about straight guys who are "into" trans women, or "shemales". That's a genre of porn that seems to cater exclusively to straight men. I don't know why a straight man would be in turned on by that. Maybe you can enlighten us on that part of my quote?

 

[cyberius]

SQUEEL LIKE A PIG BOI YEEEEHAW'

Ever heard that trope? Even the straightest men have homosexual tendancies given the right situation

 

[augustaB]

I think that most people have the potential to be sexual.
We are taught/pressured into believing that hetero is better than homo, but it's all really conditioning.
Sexual is sexual, that's all folks

 

[Moonlitskies09]

I am completely incapable of arousal and attraction to other men. This is something that is easily apparent. Im also only attracted to very specific types of women. If the question was whether this was biological then I'd be open to suggestions but I feel absolutely nothing when I see or touch men much like I would a very unattractive woman or an object. I understand why someone who doesn't feel that way could imagine its a matter of choice but it is innate and natural.

 

[Scrofula]

Moonlit, I'm curious, how do you feel when these objects (men, ugly women, fleshlights, etc.) touch you?

 

[Markomarkh]

I’ve often wondered if we are really BI, I mean why do lots of people like to watch man and woman do sex in porn, is it they get turn on by both of them? I had a mate who said he only liked lesbians doing it videos and thought it was gay to see a man doing a woman, just because a mans there. I just think he’s being a bit insecure about his sexuality tbh but if he prefers lesbians as only women then it’s up to him. I’ve watched only a couple of gay man scenes in my life and didn’t do nothing for me. Wasn’t scary as I thought it would be, just like ordinary sex but in a different hole and same sex. They say your either 90% straight and 10% gay ( a test I did) or vice versa or 50% 50% or what ever way it swings. To me I find most blokes unattractive but do see the odd one and think he’s a Hansom chap but I don’t want to sleep with him. Like my CPN looks like a pop star like someone from take that pop band.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Thanks, I'm pretty sure nobody actually believes "gay-for-pay" or "broke straight boys" are documentaries, and I'd bet pizza boys get laid far less than the industry suggests.

Of course, that's not what I was talking about--I was talking about straight guys who are "into" trans women, or "shemales". That's a genre of porn that seems to cater exclusively to straight men. I don't know why a straight man would be in turned on by that. Maybe you can enlighten us on that part of my quote?

I'm not sure if those men are actually hetero/straight? The majority of men who are heterosexual/straight do not want to have sex with pre or even post op Trans women, and some when they learn they have had sex with a Transwomen attack or murder them.

I have a friend that's trans and she only dates and has sex with bisexual men.

Also, the majority of gay men don't want to have sex with Transmen, and lesbians do not want to have sex with trans-women, and are not really happy when they have sex with someone that is trans who passes and who does not tell them first that they are trans.

 

[Scrofula]

And again, I'm discussing genres of pornography, not the actual dating habits of non-exploited transsexuals.

It's a very big genre, and I'm surprised you've missed it. Obviously there's a demand for it (trans-women doing sex acts with cis-men). It's almost always separate from the gay section of your favorite online free video provider, and it pretty clearly markets to what the majority of Americans would call straight. Gay men sure don't seem interested in it.

This goes beyond porn and into sex-work, and I have known straight men to actually prefer trans-women prostitutes. These are not closet gay men who are fooling themselves while they secretly lust for dick. As I said, one explanation for the sex workers preference includes anal sex, but that doesn't explain why straight men would still choose to watch trans-women in porn. As anyone who's seen the mouse-over previews knows, those women are definitely pre-op.

If the topic is whether there's more to sexuality than macho-straight and sissy-queer, I don't know how anyone can leave out that huge and obvious market among straight men. Although I wouldn't call those guys "bi" either; I mean "straight" is more broad even then people think.


*Trust me, I understand that transsexuals have an identity that is distinct from their sexuality, but one trait they probably share is a revulsion to horny cis-men. Sadly, there are still a lot of trans-women who find the most lucrative employment in sex-work. But that's a discussion for some other thread, where the MAGA folks can call me a SJW cuck for suggesting transsexuals and women are human beings.



**For someone who watches my post history so intently, you could try actually reading them occasionally, Priest. Hey, I know--why don't you report this one too, and we can carry over the discussion elsewhere?

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

And again, I'm discussing genres of pornography, not the actual dating habits of non-exploited transsexuals.

It's a very big genre, and I'm surprised you've missed it. Obviously there's a demand for it (trans-women doing sex acts with cis-men). It's almost always separate from the gay section of your favorite online free video provider, and it pretty clearly markets to what the majority of Americans would call straight. Gay men sure don't seem interested in it.

This goes beyond porn and into sex-work, and I have known straight men to actually prefer trans-women prostitutes. These are not closet gay men who are fooling themselves while they secretly lust for dick. As I said, one explanation for the sex workers preference includes anal sex, but that doesn't explain why straight men would still choose to watch trans-women in porn. As anyone who's seen the mouse-over previews knows, those women are definitely pre-op.

If the topic is whether there's more to sexuality than macho-straight and sissy-queer, I don't know how anyone can leave out that huge and obvious market among straight men. Although I wouldn't call those guys "bi" either; I mean "straight" is more broad even then people think.


*Trust me, I understand that transsexuals have an identity that is distinct from their sexuality, but one trait they probably share is a revulsion to horny cis-men. Sadly, there are still a lot of trans-women who find the most lucrative employment in sex-work. But that's a discussion for some other thread, where the MAGA folks can call me a SJW cuck for suggesting transsexuals and women are human beings.



**For someone who watches my post history so intently, you could try actually reading them occasionally, Priest. Hey, I know--why don't you report this one too, and we can carry over the discussion elsewhere?

OK Thanks for explaining that you are discussing porn and prostitutes.

I am personally not into trans porn, or "shemale" porn as the genre is called, but I understand that it's apparently popular with some people?

I would still say that these men are bisexual, or not heterosexual at all. They can claim that they are hetero/"straight" all they want, but who do they think they're kidding or fooling? If they were really hetero/straight they would just have sex with women and not pre or post-op transwomen.

If a man is actually hetero/straight he's not going to jerk off to trans/shemale porn, pay for trans hookers, or actively seek out and have sex with trans women. But, denial is not just a river in Egypt, and people will claim, theorize, or try to change definitions in lots of ways so they do not have to actually admit that they are bisexual or not heterosexual/straight.

Thanks, I'm pretty sure nobody actually believes "gay-for-pay" or "broke straight boys" are documentaries, and I'd bet pizza boys get laid far less than the industry suggests.

Of course, that's not what I was talking about--I was talking about straight guys who are "into" trans women, or "shemales". That's a genre of porn that seems to cater exclusively to straight men. I don't know why a straight man would be in turned on by that. Maybe you can enlighten us on that part of my quote?

You'd be surprised. I have met a lot of gay men who actually believed that in one porn series where a supposed "straight" guy was tricked into having sex with a man such as via consensual blindfolds, or via what would happen on bait bus clips where a woman would entice a man into a van and then claim to suck him off while he was blindfolded and it was really a man, that it was actually real and true and that those men really are heterosexual/straight, and that it was really happening with random men they would pick up off the street.

But these people don't know much about the porn industry and how long before anyone is even filmed, or on camera, legal documents are signed, in some cases they do an age check to make sure everyone is a legal adult, and everyone involved knows exactly which types of sex acts are going to be filmed and who they will be having sex with.

Have a wonderful Christmas.