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Feeling close to suicide

Overcoming

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I haven't posted anything yet in the mental health section or the dark side. I wanted to post here first of all because this seems like the right section for what I am going to say.

I have gone through and continue every day, to go through complete and utter hell. I had one instance a few months back where I swallowed a bunch of pills in order to overdose, but it was not a serious attempt. Now I am feeling more serious about it.

My family are Hindu and believe in the concept of reincarnation and karma, according to the Bhagavad Gita.

They say that if I die by suicide, I will take a re-bith into a human form and suffer the same or more. How is this fair? If I have lived before and committed bad acts that have led to where I am today, how is it fair that I don't even remember them. I have no idea why I could be suffering, and furthermore, I don't know what continuing to live the kind of life that I am living is worth it. I feel totally fucked.

I have never believed in god, unlike my family, and when I have tried to pray it feels fake and phony. I expect God, if He/It exists, to instantly help me. That has not happened.

To me, it seems fair that somebody can make their own decision on whether to end their life. I don't see the point in endless suffering. Having said that, I just wish I could go back in time, sort my life out, and live a normal productive life and even discover something that could help people. An afterlife would be amazing but many concepts that I have heard, sound a bit lame to be honest. Having another go at life as ME, would be smashing.
 
First of all, I'm sorry you're feeling so low. <3

You ask why you have to suffer like this. I think though that in many cases, you don't "have to". What in your life is making you feel bad? It's really important to identify what things make you happy to do. Maybe it's art, or music, or computer programming, or helping people through problems, or whatever. Certainly there exist mental imbalances and some people experience crippling depression without an external cause, but for most people, depression is the brain's way of saying, hey, what's happening here isn't working, you need to change something. Depression can also be caused by negative things in your life that you need to get rid of. For example, the time I was depressed to the point of wishing I would die, I felt this way for several years. It was because I was in an emotionally abusive and really unhealthy long-term relationship/marriage, and I was addicted to opiates for a long time to try to deal with it. The combination of those factors made me want to die eventually, I hated myself. But once I finally decided it was either change or die, I realized I had the power to get rid of those things, and I did, and now I am happy every day and I love my life. I also realized I needed to play music and the majority of my time and energy goes to that now and it's also made a huge difference in my life.

I don't know your situation at all obviously, but what you say leads me to believe that you wanted to take a different path in life and didn't, and that's the main source of your depression. I made the change at age 31, it's really never too late to make a change and take a new path. It sure beats killing yourself. I agree it's the right of every person to choose to take their own life but it should be an absolute last resort... it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It can be challenging to alter your path, but also very rewarding. If there's something else you want to do with your life, just start taking steps to do it. You'll start to feel better quickly. I firmly believe everyone has something that lights their fire, gets them feeling excited. By pursuing whatever that is, you begin to become the best version of yourself you can be.

You say having another go of life as YOU would be smashing... well, you're still alive, you're still having a go as you, why don't you have a go of it? :) You still can.
 
...it's really never too late to make a change and take a new path.
definitely.

You say having another go of life as YOU would be smashing... well, you're still alive, you're still having a go as you, why don't you have a go of it? :) You still can.
absolutely.

imagine you grow old and you're sitting on your deck looking back at life and thinking about how you might have done things differently. you wistfully wish that you could have a second chance. well, you can. it's called here, now :)

if you ever want to chat, my im details are in my profile.

alasdair
 
Wait...I remember you...

You posted in my thread about anti-craving drugs and told me that you used ibogaine to come off a 10-year opiate habit.

I actually did try to make the changes into my life, to turn myself into the best possible version of myself. About four years ago I finished university and was not too happy with myself (thinking I was too socially anxious and awkward), and turned to a decent men's self-help book written by Robert Glover. And part of that was quitting porn and masturbation for me (had done enough of both of them),

I actually don't remember my cravings being THAT bad (although the trance I would enter when I started acting out was verry powerful), until towards the end of 2015, when my addiction went up 30 gears and I had an all-consuming wave of powerlessness to go and see a transgender escort. From that point onwards, basically everything else in my life began to completely fall apart. I have been suicidal at different points in my past, but this is a different thing altogether.

At this point, my whole life is fucked, not just one small area or something like that. My cravings are still here, and they won't send me to see the right people because the mental health system over here is ridiculous. On top of that, I have other serious mental issues that have resulted from that and the doctors won't even pay attention to it, let alone treat it.

The pain I am in is tremendous, and I hate everything about the process of life itself. To me, nothing in the karmic system shows any compassion or love, much like the traditional ideas about the Judaeo-Christian God himself in my opinion. I've done amazingly well just to keep myself alive up until now, and now I am exhausted.
 
I've come at this in two different directions... the top down and the bottom up. Both were through therapies of different kinds. Neither worked.

The top down approach, or the "spiritual" approach, is about acknowledging that we are all oneness, or the divine. Or for the sake of discussion, let's say that we all come from starlight. The spiritualists tell us we are all just starlight, and we are not this personality, so there's no real need to suffer. Yet if you look at a lot of the gurus teaching this stuff, there are hidden addictions, sexual scandals, various suffering. "It's all just mind, this is all Emptiness". So it's not working. We can tell ourselves we come from starlight but it's not making the problem go away. There is a fundamental, human level SELF that is wanting acknowledgement which the spiritualists are bypassing. It's what a lot of "spiritual" people are doing. I've done it.

Then there's the bottom up approach, or the modern psychotherapy approach. They tell you that you're being too in your head and that you have to get into your body (in the case of somatics). Or that you just need to re-frame the problem, which is a re-telling of the story, and then once you perceive it differently you won't suffer anymore. Or that you just need to change your environmental circumstances, be more productive, make more friends, etc. It also doesn't work.

I feel that the thing that nobody is honing in on is the real self. It's the original you, before you were told that you're a you, that you have a name, an identity. You're born as this self. I'm not talking about universal consciousness or oneness. You come into the world as love wanting to experience life. To put this another way... God wants to live through you, as you. You are an individuated version of the universla consciousness that wants to BE YOU and nothing else. It's one thing to say that we're all starlight but you're actually starlight that has come into living in this particular form, for whatever reason. So you need to live as this real you. No other version will work. You also can't pretend that you're the universe because you're not -- you're you.

The real-self is born and then starts experiencing the body-mind. It starts to identify with the thoughts of the mind and the sensations of the body that it experiences. It experiences them as itself, when actually they aren't. Various traumas and teachings become patterns that cause the real-self to wall itself off from itself, into a sort of forgetting. On some level you say, "Oh shit! I don't want to do that! I want to be the REAL ME". At this point, most people begin grasping at the external in order to correct this... they go for materialism, or relationships, or "spirituality", or sex. All these things bypass the fundamental problem.

The real-self contains its own origin, through all the pain. So underneath these suicidal thoughts, the shame, the insufficiency, or whatever it is that comes up, is a real-self begging to be seen. It's not separate from you. It is you, in a very basic, practical way. It's not esoteric. When someone falls on the street and you go to help them up without thinking, or you put food in your mouth... it's all the real self in motion. There are no thoughts. The real self is the only thing that's present during deep sleep, which is a good way to differentiate it.

So I'm at the bank dealing with my accounts and a woman behind me in line starts getting impatient and annoyed. She gives me dirty looks. In the moment I'm thinking, "Whatever, she can wait." But then I leave the bank and I'm driving home, and the thoughts begin. What was her problem? I didn't do anything wrong. Fuck that pissed me off, now I'm angry. What's wrong with me? And so it starts... the dissonance. You start separating from the present moment because there's a pattern in your real-self that is triggered. Somewhere a long time ago I probably learned that it was not OK to hold people up, even if it was about getting my needs fulfilled. Other people come first, and if I don't listen to that I must be a bad person. The real-self, me as this person, learned that the only way to safely BE love in the world is to put other people first.

The top-down method would be... we are all just starlight and oneness, and my feelings are temporary. So I don't need to get so distracted by them. Go back into starlight, go back into the oneness, and let it go. I would abdicate this human level experience to the universal consciousness. The bottom-up approach would be to tell myself that the woman was probably just having a bad day, or she hates lineups, or whatever else I need to make up about her in order to feel temporarily better about myself. But that need to feel better is indicating that there is a deeper need not being fulfilled, a wounded pattern that the real-self is holographically duplicating every time there is an impatient person around me. I need to go into the real self (not the body, not the mind) and ask it what it needs, what the solution would be. What do I really want? And the answer I discover is: I want to be loved even as I am fulfilling my needs; I can fulfill my needs and it doesn't make me selfish, it means I love taking care of myself. Bam... the wound dissolves and the light of the real-self shines through.

But the real-self examination would be to quiet the mind, enter the heart, and gently ask yourself when the first time was you ever felt this particular way - shame, abandonment, anger, whatever it is... there are many favourites. Eventually you find the original thing... the time when the real-self, which is pure love, learned that it was not OK to be love in a certain situation. It turned in on itself. But paradoxically, the aberration cannot touch its origin. It still remains pure. So as you go into the painful experience that originated the walling off, you experience a burst of light, or energy... the wound begins to dissolve and the real-self shines through. The real you.

We all have this kind of forgetting, in some ways. I believe it is part of design. We come in as a pure form and then the stories and layers of confusion begin. We can look at the superficial aspects of why people are suicidal - yes the environment plays a role, but some people thrive in adverse circumstances while others whither and die. Being suicidal and ending up in a death knell often has a lot to do with how the real self is being honoured or not. It's not enough to realize how the real-self took on a distorted pattern; it's not enough to realize what the real self wants; you have to actually live from that, every day, in order to really thrive. For example, if you begin to recognize that the real-self really has a thirst for learning, an innate curiosity, a drive to know more and more, yet you make zero change to enrich your life with complex learning, then you're doing yourself a disservice.

I'm not talking about the inner child. Forget that. Working with the inner child is, in many ways, a road to getting more fucked up. The inner child is usually the first stage of distortion of the real-self, as children start to take on various patterns from experiences and their parents. The real-self is primal, it's #1. You usually know you're in resonance with it because the solar plexus lights up, like a tiny seed of light. You'll know you're breaking through to that presence, through the pain, once you get that nice little belly glow.

The truth is that we are universal consciousness. We are also individuals. As individuals we need to honour our unique natures, and not our contrived natures that the world has told us we are. It was to do with your original blueprint, as this person. It's the you that you've always wanted to be, the only one you care to be. And once you recognize this real self again, you won't long for anything else.

I strongly feel that being suicidal is about this. A core self seeking its own essence, through the lens of distorted patterning. The distortions create dissonance through being triggered, and then the dissonance leads to an internal sense of self-separation and falsehood, which becomes anti-life. Fortunately the solutions are already inwardly available. It takes acknowledging what the original you wants and needs... what the green lights are for you in life, rather than the yellow and red lights.
 
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Well Overcoming I just wrote a long post and lost it cause as you may or may not know Bluelight logs you out after too long. Frustrating. Basically I can relate. I've suffered from bipolar and addiction my whole life and have attempted to end my life several times not for attention the real deal but was freakishly saved every time. I've always been very spiritually inclined so that had me thinking God wants me around but if so why is he cursing me with so many horrendous problems? Not fair is right. Well over my life I've been to hospitals, nursing homes, phyc wards, rehabs, support groups, priests, Buddhist monks, Scientilogists, new age shit, even Hinduism for awhile and that's just some with almost no relief. So now I'm 42 and have worked hard at everything my whole life and find myself ravaged by medical, mental, emotional, financial, and spiritual problems. I've tried not to believe in God and the Devil and dogma that comes with all that shit. That's really not me either I'm truly agnostic man. He may or may not exist but what keeps me here is if there's the slightest chance He does and there is heaven and hell and in line with my Christian upbringing if I take my own life I go to hell well if it does exist then I burn in pain for eternity. Shit my life is horrible but it ain't that bad, lol. Prob doesn't exist and I'll be fine but shit I can't take that chance man even if it's 1%. Plus I have a 10 yr old beautiful daughter who saves me everyday even though we aren't physically together. She's gonna need me one day cause all my shits genetic. I can't stand the thought she will have to endure what I have but I gotta be around, ya know?

So I know this isn't much helpful with your Hindu parents and issues but I know what it's like to want to end it but spiritual too. Nobody can relate to that that's why this site is awesome we can relate to eachother and maybe help. More to say but don't wanna get cut again. Good luck to you I'm always just a PM away if you wanna chat personally. Hang in there Overcoming. No patronizing saying shit will get better I hate that but you really never know. Take care!!
 
Wait...I remember you...

You posted in my thread about anti-craving drugs and told me that you used ibogaine to come off a 10-year opiate habit.

I actually did try to make the changes into my life, to turn myself into the best possible version of myself. About four years ago I finished university and was not too happy with myself (thinking I was too socially anxious and awkward), and turned to a decent men's self-help book written by Robert Glover. And part of that was quitting porn and masturbation for me (had done enough of both of them),

I actually don't remember my cravings being THAT bad (although the trance I would enter when I started acting out was verry powerful), until towards the end of 2015, when my addiction went up 30 gears and I had an all-consuming wave of powerlessness to go and see a transgender escort. From that point onwards, basically everything else in my life began to completely fall apart. I have been suicidal at different points in my past, but this is a different thing altogether.

At this point, my whole life is fucked, not just one small area or something like that. My cravings are still here, and they won't send me to see the right people because the mental health system over here is ridiculous. On top of that, I have other serious mental issues that have resulted from that and the doctors won't even pay attention to it, let alone treat it.

The pain I am in is tremendous, and I hate everything about the process of life itself. To me, nothing in the karmic system shows any compassion or love, much like the traditional ideas about the Judaeo-Christian God himself in my opinion. I've done amazingly well just to keep myself alive up until now, and now I am exhausted.

Oh yeah, that was you. To be frank, it sounds like a lot of what you're experiencing is shame regarding your sexuality. You are attracted to transgender people apparently and you don't want to be, so you are trying to deny that part of yourself and it's causing you deep emotional pain, as it would anyone. I think you may need to just accept yourself as you are. Fuck what other people think, you gotta do you. Suppressing things doesn't work.

Well Overcoming I just wrote a long post and lost it cause as you may or may not know Bluelight logs you out after too long. Frustrating.

You mcan select "remember me" or something like that, it's a checkbox under the login, and it won't log you out... ever, unless you clear your cookies. I haven't logged in to Bluelight in like, 2 years. :)
 
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