Hey bluelighters I thought I'd share my story because I'm pretty sure I'm in uncharted territory here, I have quite a bit of experience with phenibut and has become dependant and quit cold turkey at around 3mg/day multiple times, 3 times with nothing but some benadryl (not fun, doesn't help with the 2-3 days of 0 sleep) once with mirtazapine that helped quite a bit, and the most recent time with RC Benzos which, the phenibut withdrawal was noticeable but didn't really effect my sleep or anxiety due to the RC benzos, this is where I'm going with this thread.
I have started using etizolam pellets about a year and 4 months ago started out taking 1mg here and there to help with anxiety caused by money issues and an awful girlfriend who I've since broken up with after realizing she was the source of a lot of my stress but I was already dependent and enjoying these pills by that point. Fast forward about 5 months and I was taking 1mg every few hours every day and decided I wanted something with a longer half life so I didn't have to dose as much. So I ordered some clonazolam from a reliable source and wow that stuff was strong I only needed a few drops here and there (ordered a few vials of solution at ~.25mg/drop) fast forward to today as of 4 days ago I was taking 4mg a day, 4 doses a day in 1mg increments. I've never taken more than 1mg at a time. I havent found a definitive answer on the potency on clonazolam, but I've seen anywhere from 1.5 - 4x as potent as clonazepam so its safe to say I'm taking the equivalent of anywhere between 6-16mg of clonazepam a day, who really knows there, part of the problem with these RC chemicals. I also started using phenibut again in january and took it daily up until the middle of april so ~3 months.
Now at this point I realized I've dug myself into quite the little hell hole I was invited to vegas and realized I couldn't go or I'd probably have a seizure on the plane since I'm feeling withdrawals in like 5 hours and theres no way I'm smuggling some RC benzo through TSA or putting it on my carry on and risk it being confiscated and being stuck in another state in serious benzo withdrawal and also taking phenibut with me was probably going to be an issue and I also met a new girl I refuse to put through or admit to that I've dug myself into this hole, so I decided I'd hop off the phenibut and which I did with relative ease due to the clonazolam I just took an extra 1-2mg of etizolam when I went to bed for 6 days, phenibut problem solved. Then I decided I'd taper off the c-lam, this is my first experience with benzo dependency. After doing quite a bit of research I came to the conclusion dropping my dose by 25% seemed fairly standard practice as a first cut on various medical tapering guides. This proved not possible I couldn't even cut the dose by .75mg without feeling like I was about to lose it, and that cannot happen I have rent and bills to pay so I need to be at work and not be looking too strungout or messed up.
So today here we are, I decided to hop back on the phenibut after about a 2 week break to ease coming off this nasty little RC benzo and kick the phenibut later as thats easy to quit with gabapentin or mirtazapine, benzos not so easy to quit. So this is the end of day 3 I've dropped my dose to 3.5mg/day or 12.5%. With the help of phenibut this hasn't been too bad, first night was a little rough didn't sleep much, 2nd night slept about 5 hours, last night about 7. Daytime symptoms are slight irritability thats about it so I am adjusting to this dose fairly quickly it seems.
I've been dosing 1mg 4x a day, I took 1 of those doses and split it into 2 so I've been taking 1mg in the morning half a mg twice during the day and 1mg before bed. My plan is to cut 1 drop or ~.25mg every 10-14 days from here on out bedtime dose being the last to go, unless I get to a point that takes longer to stabilize, in which case I still might continue the taper as I need to be off this stuff but I know I cant just cold turkey this habit like phenibut.
As far as phenibut dosages go I am planning on taking between 2-3 grams a day I've taken this dose for extended periods of time before, tolerance doesn't seem to be an issue at 3 grams (following a good looking losers dosing guide). I will be taking phenibut the entirety of this RC benzo taper as they are definitely not cross tolerant speaking from experience using both at the same time and using phenibut while tapering benzos definitely helps the symptoms of dose reduction after trying to make cuts without and with phenibut, the difference is night and day.
Now here's the kicker I'm also on my first anabolic steroid cycle of 500mg test E a week stacked with a 4 week Dbol kickstart which I have 5 days left of. I'll be running 500mg for 12-16 weeks I haven't decided yet, but I'll be basing this on results and how I'm feeling. This is completely an opinion/theory, but is it possible testosterone increases the rate at which your brain heals from benzo dependence, as it speeds up most bodily processes I dont see why it wouldn't also effect the rate of healing going on in your brain? I guess we will find out.
If anybody is interested I'll update this thread periodically, if not well wish me luck!
edit: also going to a doctor about this is not an option, I currently don't have health insurance and will pay out of pocket to go see a dr and explain my phenibut dependency to get a 14 day supply of gabapentin or mirtazapine to quit phenibut when that time comes.
I have started using etizolam pellets about a year and 4 months ago started out taking 1mg here and there to help with anxiety caused by money issues and an awful girlfriend who I've since broken up with after realizing she was the source of a lot of my stress but I was already dependent and enjoying these pills by that point. Fast forward about 5 months and I was taking 1mg every few hours every day and decided I wanted something with a longer half life so I didn't have to dose as much. So I ordered some clonazolam from a reliable source and wow that stuff was strong I only needed a few drops here and there (ordered a few vials of solution at ~.25mg/drop) fast forward to today as of 4 days ago I was taking 4mg a day, 4 doses a day in 1mg increments. I've never taken more than 1mg at a time. I havent found a definitive answer on the potency on clonazolam, but I've seen anywhere from 1.5 - 4x as potent as clonazepam so its safe to say I'm taking the equivalent of anywhere between 6-16mg of clonazepam a day, who really knows there, part of the problem with these RC chemicals. I also started using phenibut again in january and took it daily up until the middle of april so ~3 months.
Now at this point I realized I've dug myself into quite the little hell hole I was invited to vegas and realized I couldn't go or I'd probably have a seizure on the plane since I'm feeling withdrawals in like 5 hours and theres no way I'm smuggling some RC benzo through TSA or putting it on my carry on and risk it being confiscated and being stuck in another state in serious benzo withdrawal and also taking phenibut with me was probably going to be an issue and I also met a new girl I refuse to put through or admit to that I've dug myself into this hole, so I decided I'd hop off the phenibut and which I did with relative ease due to the clonazolam I just took an extra 1-2mg of etizolam when I went to bed for 6 days, phenibut problem solved. Then I decided I'd taper off the c-lam, this is my first experience with benzo dependency. After doing quite a bit of research I came to the conclusion dropping my dose by 25% seemed fairly standard practice as a first cut on various medical tapering guides. This proved not possible I couldn't even cut the dose by .75mg without feeling like I was about to lose it, and that cannot happen I have rent and bills to pay so I need to be at work and not be looking too strungout or messed up.
So today here we are, I decided to hop back on the phenibut after about a 2 week break to ease coming off this nasty little RC benzo and kick the phenibut later as thats easy to quit with gabapentin or mirtazapine, benzos not so easy to quit. So this is the end of day 3 I've dropped my dose to 3.5mg/day or 12.5%. With the help of phenibut this hasn't been too bad, first night was a little rough didn't sleep much, 2nd night slept about 5 hours, last night about 7. Daytime symptoms are slight irritability thats about it so I am adjusting to this dose fairly quickly it seems.
I've been dosing 1mg 4x a day, I took 1 of those doses and split it into 2 so I've been taking 1mg in the morning half a mg twice during the day and 1mg before bed. My plan is to cut 1 drop or ~.25mg every 10-14 days from here on out bedtime dose being the last to go, unless I get to a point that takes longer to stabilize, in which case I still might continue the taper as I need to be off this stuff but I know I cant just cold turkey this habit like phenibut.
As far as phenibut dosages go I am planning on taking between 2-3 grams a day I've taken this dose for extended periods of time before, tolerance doesn't seem to be an issue at 3 grams (following a good looking losers dosing guide). I will be taking phenibut the entirety of this RC benzo taper as they are definitely not cross tolerant speaking from experience using both at the same time and using phenibut while tapering benzos definitely helps the symptoms of dose reduction after trying to make cuts without and with phenibut, the difference is night and day.
Now here's the kicker I'm also on my first anabolic steroid cycle of 500mg test E a week stacked with a 4 week Dbol kickstart which I have 5 days left of. I'll be running 500mg for 12-16 weeks I haven't decided yet, but I'll be basing this on results and how I'm feeling. This is completely an opinion/theory, but is it possible testosterone increases the rate at which your brain heals from benzo dependence, as it speeds up most bodily processes I dont see why it wouldn't also effect the rate of healing going on in your brain? I guess we will find out.
If anybody is interested I'll update this thread periodically, if not well wish me luck!
edit: also going to a doctor about this is not an option, I currently don't have health insurance and will pay out of pocket to go see a dr and explain my phenibut dependency to get a 14 day supply of gabapentin or mirtazapine to quit phenibut when that time comes.
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