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Now that marijuana is legalized or tolerated in many places, and the whole culture around procuring it is getting a whole lot more organized, one might even say corporate, even in places where it is not legal, what is the "gateway drug?"
Marijuana is now considered socially unexpected to the coming general adults by surprising margins. So obviously these two factors will combine and create more and more pot-smoking and toleration thereof and from thence, legalization—a polcitial certainty, eventually—there is no doubt.
But, as we know, most people who casually smoke marijuana don't get that much into drugs these days, that is to say, if we knew that someone else smoked marijuana, we'd be less likely to think that he other drugs than we were however many years. This dynamic means that people who do and supply harder drugs are less likely to bump into potheads as they now longer really share the same level of social overlap. So people who smoke marijuana nowadays often look down at hard drug use and a lot of them have no connection to it at all.
Despite not "officially" taking drugs anymore, I wanted some coke a little while ago, but none of my casual acquaintances like people in my building or even the bars I went to, I either didn't really think it was a good idea to ask or none of them had a good coke connect for just an eightball or so. I had to go on a ride with somebody who goes to cop some dope in Paterson (dope city in NJ) and get some crack in those stupid little tiny bags that always rip and make you spill the crack, for the obvious low price at a time, even though I bought a decent amount?
I'm not bitching about my crack connect, it's nothing that I'm going to do again in the future (although I just recently smoked pot, too, which was something I was very much not about for a good period of time, and even bought a bit) but if I did, I'd go through people who I know who are junkies. But I'd feel comfortable among them asking about it but not at all among random people who I might encounter and smoke a joint with, if I start up doing marijuana seriously anyway. It would be looked down up on.
But back growing up and what not if someone smoked pot they were more likely in circles where they could get other shit. This was unlike kids who just drank alcohol or whatever, they knew nothing about marijuana. Now, they certainly know someone who smokes it an probably smoke it themselves and could at least tell you what to smoke.
So, marijuana's kind of taken a step up in terms of credibility. You don't have to be a "druggie" to smoke pot or even "smoke pot," in terms of these rough social groupings.
What goes in it's stead? The mildest of what we might consider as "druggies," which was exactly what a pot-smoker was when I was growing up?
Cocaine? MDMA? MA? Weird Internet Drugs? Pharmaceuticals?
And how long will it take that to be thoroughly socially acceptable. Pharmaceuticals are pretty socially acceptable though probably just because there are so many of them, Valium or Xanax, sometimes not legit, people can get all the time, but often get out of their own prescription bottles, and sharing with friends amphetamines or Ritalin or whatever to study and Xanax or Valium to chill with and enhance alcohol or whatever.
Nah, I'd consider them pretty socially acceptable.
Heroin, which has no chance, is less socially acceptable than MA, I think, but I really have no knowledge of what it's out West where MA is just as common as dope (sometimes even y'all call it "dope" lol), I think has too much stigma.
Will Weird Internet Drugs just simply be the most easily available and the much socially accepted?
Worst of all possible outcomes. People, as you've seen many everyone on this site do, have gone to experiment with weird drugs and no other real intention, wind up all fucked up and on needle drugs or addicted to an absurd amount of powerful obscure shit a day, just a few years later quite often, as happens already....
...and then presumably just drugs are OK, eventually, by societal pressures, and I mean socially, not legally, well, I think most of us can I agree that that would not be a good thing,
so, I guess what I'm saying, is that the next thing that is socially acceptable, it better be cocaine or MDMA or maybe just ketamine or Acid and a few random E pills, but not just like, troves of shit. I worry seriously for my son about the troves of shit that are out there and will be in 3 or 4 years which is the age in which I got very, very, seriously into this stuff, although I was always reading the newsgroups and the websites and stuff in the '90s and then read mostly Erowid before then, those were the years when I just immersed myself in it, which eventually lead me, by the most part, to where I am presently in life, with a lot of involvement from the community of Bluelight.
It's not a fate that I think I'd wish on most people. Involved with drugs as much as we are, as yet as involved as to write about it online (I don't even really "do" drugs anymore btw), and all that.
But are we going to make it acceptable to the next generation of young people, to our kids? Or does it matter? I'd certainly rather have my kid's 2nd drug be coke or acid or mushrooms or maybe mdma, but I hope he doesn't take a 2nd drug, and I'm certain he'll take marijuana.
But I definitely wouldn't want him to take any Weird Internet Drugs, or opiates or MA or whatever. But Weird Internet Drugs are pretty high up there in what I would like not to become the next "gateway drug," the next thing that integrates people into a "druggy" scene in general. It is just tremendous disaster for all involved with similar products and for the little tiny of the fragments that the much more intimate organizations, in favor of major commercial operations. And it will be enormously bad for the people who get involved with, because, scene-wise—and all the "gateway-drug" stuff is all about what scene you're in, and that starts with, like, maybe even whether you drank beer in high school, your crowd, you know—now it's going to be something else.
(As for my kid, he'll be lucky anyway because between me and baby moms—who he lives with and I never see—the dude has the worst genetic loading for being a junkie fuckup. At least he has being raised in a reasonably homogenous and peaceful household his parents(1) provide for him. But still. A lot of us did have all that. I wasn't quite there but I did have some family support and stuff.)
Marijuana is now considered socially unexpected to the coming general adults by surprising margins. So obviously these two factors will combine and create more and more pot-smoking and toleration thereof and from thence, legalization—a polcitial certainty, eventually—there is no doubt.
But, as we know, most people who casually smoke marijuana don't get that much into drugs these days, that is to say, if we knew that someone else smoked marijuana, we'd be less likely to think that he other drugs than we were however many years. This dynamic means that people who do and supply harder drugs are less likely to bump into potheads as they now longer really share the same level of social overlap. So people who smoke marijuana nowadays often look down at hard drug use and a lot of them have no connection to it at all.
Despite not "officially" taking drugs anymore, I wanted some coke a little while ago, but none of my casual acquaintances like people in my building or even the bars I went to, I either didn't really think it was a good idea to ask or none of them had a good coke connect for just an eightball or so. I had to go on a ride with somebody who goes to cop some dope in Paterson (dope city in NJ) and get some crack in those stupid little tiny bags that always rip and make you spill the crack, for the obvious low price at a time, even though I bought a decent amount?
I'm not bitching about my crack connect, it's nothing that I'm going to do again in the future (although I just recently smoked pot, too, which was something I was very much not about for a good period of time, and even bought a bit) but if I did, I'd go through people who I know who are junkies. But I'd feel comfortable among them asking about it but not at all among random people who I might encounter and smoke a joint with, if I start up doing marijuana seriously anyway. It would be looked down up on.
But back growing up and what not if someone smoked pot they were more likely in circles where they could get other shit. This was unlike kids who just drank alcohol or whatever, they knew nothing about marijuana. Now, they certainly know someone who smokes it an probably smoke it themselves and could at least tell you what to smoke.
So, marijuana's kind of taken a step up in terms of credibility. You don't have to be a "druggie" to smoke pot or even "smoke pot," in terms of these rough social groupings.
What goes in it's stead? The mildest of what we might consider as "druggies," which was exactly what a pot-smoker was when I was growing up?
Cocaine? MDMA? MA? Weird Internet Drugs? Pharmaceuticals?
And how long will it take that to be thoroughly socially acceptable. Pharmaceuticals are pretty socially acceptable though probably just because there are so many of them, Valium or Xanax, sometimes not legit, people can get all the time, but often get out of their own prescription bottles, and sharing with friends amphetamines or Ritalin or whatever to study and Xanax or Valium to chill with and enhance alcohol or whatever.
Nah, I'd consider them pretty socially acceptable.
Heroin, which has no chance, is less socially acceptable than MA, I think, but I really have no knowledge of what it's out West where MA is just as common as dope (sometimes even y'all call it "dope" lol), I think has too much stigma.
Will Weird Internet Drugs just simply be the most easily available and the much socially accepted?
Worst of all possible outcomes. People, as you've seen many everyone on this site do, have gone to experiment with weird drugs and no other real intention, wind up all fucked up and on needle drugs or addicted to an absurd amount of powerful obscure shit a day, just a few years later quite often, as happens already....
...and then presumably just drugs are OK, eventually, by societal pressures, and I mean socially, not legally, well, I think most of us can I agree that that would not be a good thing,
so, I guess what I'm saying, is that the next thing that is socially acceptable, it better be cocaine or MDMA or maybe just ketamine or Acid and a few random E pills, but not just like, troves of shit. I worry seriously for my son about the troves of shit that are out there and will be in 3 or 4 years which is the age in which I got very, very, seriously into this stuff, although I was always reading the newsgroups and the websites and stuff in the '90s and then read mostly Erowid before then, those were the years when I just immersed myself in it, which eventually lead me, by the most part, to where I am presently in life, with a lot of involvement from the community of Bluelight.
It's not a fate that I think I'd wish on most people. Involved with drugs as much as we are, as yet as involved as to write about it online (I don't even really "do" drugs anymore btw), and all that.
But are we going to make it acceptable to the next generation of young people, to our kids? Or does it matter? I'd certainly rather have my kid's 2nd drug be coke or acid or mushrooms or maybe mdma, but I hope he doesn't take a 2nd drug, and I'm certain he'll take marijuana.
But I definitely wouldn't want him to take any Weird Internet Drugs, or opiates or MA or whatever. But Weird Internet Drugs are pretty high up there in what I would like not to become the next "gateway drug," the next thing that integrates people into a "druggy" scene in general. It is just tremendous disaster for all involved with similar products and for the little tiny of the fragments that the much more intimate organizations, in favor of major commercial operations. And it will be enormously bad for the people who get involved with, because, scene-wise—and all the "gateway-drug" stuff is all about what scene you're in, and that starts with, like, maybe even whether you drank beer in high school, your crowd, you know—now it's going to be something else.
(As for my kid, he'll be lucky anyway because between me and baby moms—who he lives with and I never see—the dude has the worst genetic loading for being a junkie fuckup. At least he has being raised in a reasonably homogenous and peaceful household his parents(1) provide for him. But still. A lot of us did have all that. I wasn't quite there but I did have some family support and stuff.)
