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2C-T-2 - First time - 7mg, rectal
Background: been using psychedelics intermittently for about twenty years, and have a reasonable amount of experience with the classical ones as well as modern research chemicals.
Today: My last meal was around 5:00-5:30pm. Mindset is good, but tired from having a Guinness wear off earlier in afternoon. I had a few pieces of pizza for dinner. Earlier in the day, I had an energy drink, tea, and coffee, but they had worn off. BP is 119/86. Took 5 drops lemon essential oil in a capsule, as this seems to help me with nausea better than ginger or dramamine - never tried ondansetron. No tolerance expected.
7:00PM After serveral reweighings of the sample on two scales, it was determined to be on the heavy end of 7mg. It was diluted in 3mL of water and added to a clean rectum. Urge to void was stonger than with 2C-D, but less so than with 2C-B/E. No burning.
7:03 1st alert. Wow, that was fast.
7:06 Effects growing at a pretty fast clip. A little stimulating, conventionally psychedelic.
7:13 At peak
7:28 Guess I'm sensitive to this stuff. +++ Nausea flirts with me, but it is not a problem. I actually confuse it with hunger. A bit of mucous develops. It's very clear headed, but allows has some broad psycholytic properties like tryptamines but without the confusion. That said, it's got the same tinge of delerium to the edges that 2C-T-7 has to a lesser extent--despite the clear headedness, I feel like it is good that I proceed cautiously, especially as it's even more stimulating that 2C-t-7. There's a bit of jaw clenching and neck tension already. No real visual at this level, though I am sure they would materialize at higher levels, although the stimulation would be a bit rough (as would the muscle tension, I believe). All that said, I think there is some good potential here. It effortlessly dropped me into a mental state that I try to elicit and maintain with 2C-B, only clearer, healthier, and less forced. Almost had an orgasm just thinking about
masculine energies. The body feel of this is actually pretty nice, surprisingly.
7:35 Experience pretty good visuals in low light, actually. BP high at 139/88.
8:07 Post-peak now. Quite visual. It's as though it was visual for me only through sufferance--cliche, structures of spines, fractals, helices, hieroglyphs, and neons--over gray, always steely chrome. But its visual nature was undeniable for a time, especially closed eye. There were some good introspective elements, but the internal space really did resemble that of a deeper tryptamine at peak. Visionary and transportive to internal worlds. The stimulation has thankfully recently subsided to more manageable levels. Felt quite hungry throughout, strangely. The body high is very enjoyable, with little tremors of pleasure surging through me when I want them to. Strangely, erotic ideation is felt as VERY pleasurable, much more so than actually enacting it seems like it would be. It's sexy without being pro-sexual. There is no tactile enhancement at all. Seems exclusively cerebral material. I'm not sure if I could get an erection if I wanted to, but erotic thoughts can be more pleasurable than physical orgasm. Mentally, it's more manageable now. I'm still at a +++, but I could interact if need be for a while. The string quartet music that I was listening to for a moment was not enhanced, but it was inexpressible, inelectuably exquisite. It really gripped me. This stuff has power like 2C-E, but is less intimidating; it has madness like that of 2C-T-7, but is less threatening. It has all the power it needs to ruin you, but it is approachable. I think it seems like a good material. This dosage and ROA seems to produce a worthwhile experience with only stimulation, cramping, and subtle transient nausea as side-effects. While I have a strong stomach, I think that its reputation for toxic body load may be due to higher doses and an oral ROA.
8:45 Quite introspective stuff. Had some good thoughts, some okay conversations. Level-headed, centered, self-affirming but honest stuff. Not ego-maniacal like I've heard some people find 2C-T-7. Pupils are enormous. Strangely, thoughout the experience I must say that this stuff does not feel unhealthy in the body or the nervous system. It doesn't even provoke the serotonin tiredness or emotional pain responses on come-up that I so often get. There's no dirty brominated edge like 2C-B, no metallic toxicity like MAL, no enervation like early mescaline. Neither is there a feeling of supra-normality to this. Much of the ordinary remains, strangely. Emotional valences are intact. My physicality feels pretty normal.
9:00 The post-peak is definitely more emotional. This reminds me exactly of how 2C-t-7 was described when it was described most positively (except for commentary about the visuals). The trip is quite emotional in nature, but does not feel forced. Overrall, I would not be surprised if we learn that 2C-T-2 does have MAOi properties in vivo--the warm vibe is in keeping with the positivity I get from syrian rue. Actually, it's quite, quite similar to the body high of 5-MeO-MipT, also a putative mild MAOi.
9:24 Never has getting turned on, getting hard, and getting off been more of a chore. Eminently doable, but not in keeping with the emotional quality of the trip. Orgasm, while difficult to achieve, was possible and excellent. Did this for the sake of science, and I wouldn't recommend doing so again. I would have much rather continued in my emotional mental space unmolested by forced sexuality.
9:50 Plateau is gently receding. Still, a remarkable lack of side effects. Just some minor shoulder tension. I really appreciate this stuff's emotionality. I love listening to good, intimate chamber music on it, although opera is also good. This emotionality alone with its mental clarity could make it one of my all-time favorites. The stimulating come up is a huge drag, though--I may try taking it orally slowly over the course of an hour and see if that gets me to a good place, but I expect there will be some major GI distress and long-lasting icky stimulation. I may be able to lessen it by spreading out the rectal doses, but I think it's probably just part and parcel of the 2C-T-2 experience. Perhaps I will revisit 2C-T-7 now that I see that if it's anything like it's kissing chemical cousin it could be worth the dealing with its unpredictable dose-response relationship, long rectal come-up, and committing duration. It's a shame that intranasal routes have proven so dangerous - even titrating up slowly with tiny insufflated doses seems to me an irresponsible risk given the risks and side-effects.
I feel that this dose was a good one and I'm glad I didn't go higher. I could fathom going higher, although I'm not sure what it would gain, but I'm glad I saw what it an do at this level. I was not anticipating a +++. Had I tried a higher dose, I would have been incapacitated, if pleasantly, and a bit alarmed for my first time. If I were to do a higher dose, I would go oral I believe to hopefully attenuate the edgey stimulating come-up rush. That said, I generally get more stimulation off of the higher oral doses needed with 2C-Xs, so who knows? I wish there were more neutral or sedating psychedelics.
10:50 The plateau dropped off a long while back to a ++ where it has remained. Definitely peed a lot with this stuff, so while it may be dehydrating it doesn't inhibit my ability to pee at least.
Midnight: Over the past two hours, I drank two Guinness. Around 11:00 I had a heaping spoon of jatamansi (basically Himalayan valerian.) I lay down to sleep at 12:15 and probably fell asleep in a little over a half an hour. I woke with a mild headache, but feeling otherwise rested at 6AM with no other residual effects.
Conclusion: I think it's amazing how fast this went from a "probably never again" to a "truly special" response. The stimulating rush of a come-up was not my thing, but it quickly faded into a truly special, complex place. What I though was the peak at first was really just the start of a deepening, developing state. The eventual peak was I believe a bit over an hour in, and it wasn't especially useful although I could perhaps learn to appreciate it. There's a lot going on here, kind of like 5-MeO-MiPT, and it would probably take me several experiences to develop a relationship and figure out how to work with this space. Also, the long-lasting emotional plateau was really quite special, though, and is enough to really make me appreciate how very useful this might be. I see where this might be used in place of MDMA, especially for people that react negatively to it like myself. The cooly digital, detailed visuals integrated well with the warm emotionality of the plateau - the vivid colors against a gray scale seem an apt metaphor for the rich mindscapes overlain on the mundane world 2C-T-2 produced. I've never experienced anything like it, such a natural synthesis of the synthetic and the organic. I look forward to exploring it again to try to make sense and use of the space.
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2C-T-2 - Second time - 7mg, rectal
Background: Went to sleep with a mild headache the night before (perhaps ethylphenidate induced) with the assistance of a little bit of kava, alcohol, and 140mg of phenibut. I woke with the headache after a solid night's sleep, which I treated with a total of two ibuprofen over the course of the day. The only other drug consumed today was some strong cocoa. I was in a foul mood for a while today, tending towards despair. It may have been due to inactivity and staying inside all of a four day weekend because of lousy weather. I treated it effectively by going on a long jog in the sunshine. I woke up late, eating a light breakfast of cocoa and crescent rolls, then having a late lunch of a veggie BLT at 2pm.
4:31 - Carefully weighed and reweighed with no tare using the weight of the metal bowl as the base weight. Disolved and dosed with water into as clean a rectum as I could get. I was careful with the dosage, as last time the experience was strong for what seemed a moderate dose. The onset, as last time, was immediate and unmistakeable. Some stimulation, some desire to void bowels, but no significant burning. As I was tired before dosing, I'm enjoying the stimulation more than last time. I took a magnesium and five drops of lemon oil just in case.
4:41 - Effects still building and still pleasant, mostly a change of headspace combined with stimulation. Very mild jaw tension. Suspect hypertension.
5:00 - Effects just kicked up a notch. I went on a nice walk in the park to deal with some of the energy, which was pleasant, although my stomach kept asking rather serious questions without being overtly nauseated. I feel that this stuff would cause vomiting to happen quickly with little warning. There is some tactile euphoria ala moxy which is quite nice. Things are mildly visually rich, which is pleasant.
5:30 - CEVs are subtle but there. It's erotic, but only cerebrally. My body doesn't feel any real tactile enhancement; in fact, doing anything to my body would distract from the sensual pleasures of the mind. At a higher dose, I could easily see myself being brought to orgasm simply through immersion in visualization of the erotic. This time, the experience is focused on the feminine, both in imagery and erotic energies. Apart from that, the visuals are a lighter and less distinct version of last time: Detailed tubes of millipede-like.... Well, imagine a candy necklace moving cell-by-cell across my field of vision, eyes closed. Open eye, there is very little but shuttering and shimmering, much like on a high dose of harmaline. There are no visual distortions; instead, I see fantasies drawn on a layer or film on top of my visual reality. I feel like there would be more rainbows and greater visuals at a higher dose, and I feel I could manage a light redose, but I want to ride this one out and enjoy it for what it's worth. I don't want to risk nausea either, as that would detract from a wonderful space. There's a bit of time dilation through the peak with this one.
6:00 It's like a deeper, richer phenethylamine 5-MeO-MiPT. It's more sensual, but the sensuous character is more intellectual or cerebral, it's not narrative. It's shallow and of this world, not dark and of the subaltern like tryptamines so often are. The space has finally deepened into a more psycholytic one as well as one where there is heart opening. I'm at a good solid ++. I could do a higher dose, but I feel that for most purposes, this is the sweet spot. Higher doses would probably be *distractingly* pleasurable and may have worse side effects. This seems a good level for trying to get psychological or emotional work done in an enjoyable manner without being lost at sea psychologically or sensuously. BP is 130/92 which is quite high enough, especially the diastolic number. I was hoping that it would be like 2c-b and the BP would quickly drop back to normal levels after the comeup. No luck there.
6:20 - Tried to use the Muse EEG headband after the Trombone Shorty album I was listening to ended. Was hindered by technical difficulties at every turn. Have very mild gut crampiness. Attempted to address this by cleaning out my rectum again, only to notice that it quite stung to do so. I guess this isn't any kinder to the mucous membranes down there than any other 2C-X, sadly. I can't tell if I'm post peak or if it's just the end of the music and the fact that I tried to do electronicky things.
7:34 - Nope, I've been very much on the plateau. Despite being altered, I feel like going back to my preoccupations from earlier in the day: the same video game, namely. Could also watch a movie, etc. Don't feel much of interest is going to happen in this nondescript space from here on out, although I'm in an upbeat mood which I wasn't before (again, like 5-MeO-MiPT that way.) I think a higher dose might be needed for an interesting plateau, although I'd prefer to titrate to reach it; that could prove tricky given the rectal irritation. A shame it's not going to be an interesting plateau after such a short peak, but all in all it was pleasant and I hope to be able to sleep unaided tonight. Sex wasn't really an item of interest, but it was sort of attempted. Orgasm wasn't achieved, although I suppose it could have been in different circumstances. Pleasant enough, although not enhanced physically or emotionally. The high seems a little "dirtier" this time, not as clean feeling physically, although on the balance still very, very positive. No severe side effects at this point except presumably blood pressure. Yawning a little now, typical for me after 7. Pupils dilated, but only a little, same as they have been on this substance since the peak started.
7:52 - Yawning a lot now. Tried watching some pornography, and although it sounded thoroughly uninteresting, I was able to achieve orgasm. The psychologial eroticism of this was limited to the peak completely - after that, there has been no inkling of the erotic. Quite the opposite, it's too cerebral for those pursuits, I think, except abstractly as intellectual interests. After reading conflicting reports of this material being highly erotic or, alternatively, intellectual and dissociative, I think I now understand why. It produces in me an early preoccupation with abstract contemplation of the erotic while removing any interest in actually exploring it. It's like being an atheist scholar of religion. A bit of gut cramping now, so will take some Hinga Shtak (Indian herbal formulation for gas gramps) and maybe some nitrous.
8:23 - The nitrous was pleasant and did not detract from the experience. The hinga shtak eased my distress by allowing me to pass the pent up gas. While I have had no spiritual, emotional, or intellectual revelations this evening, and this is certainly no mescaline, it is good material I feel when taken responsibly at reasonable doses. While I probably couldn't, I sure feel like I could fall right asleep.
9:28 - Still yawning. Been mostly down for a while now (down enough to drive, practically,) but residual stimulation will probably keep me from sleeping for a while. A beer would probably send me right off to sleep, but I've been avoiding alcohol lately. I've been quite gassy every since taking the hinga shtak, which sorted me right out. There have been no gas cramps since.
10:00 - Sleep.
Overview: Immediate onset, half hour to start of peak, one hour peak, smooth descent over two to three hours back to baseline. Five and a half hours after dosing, I'm completely down. This was even shorter than my previous experience - easily a week night thing. This is surprisingly one of the shortest
acting psychedelics I've tried, at least at this dosage. The effects are complex, mutating over the course of the short experience. It makes it hard to figure out what to do with the space, but it seems quite promising. It's deeper than 2C-B and less gritty feeling, but not as mystical as mescaline. It seems pretty grounded in the profane/everyday world while still providing good opportunities for peace, reflection, and growth. The two experiences were remarkably consistent, at least, so it should be possible to get a feel for it relatively quickly. I look forward to trying it again, but it's tough to make time as it potentially interracts with so many things - even my sinus medication.
Also, I'm beginning to think that this would be a good candidate for volumetric dosing given my unusual sensitivity to it and the low dose - required for this ROA. As my scales have been acting up and have been swinging by up to 3mg in both directions. That's a huge difference in dose rectally if one is not careful with this material.
I am still interested in exploring this at a low dose orally, say 10mg in liquid over the course of an hour, but am worried it will just lead to a difficult comeup, nausea and bodyload, and a stimulating but unrewarding experience. It alternatively may be a light, pleasant, peaceful experience. It's just so hard to convince myself to give it a shot when the rectal ROA is so fast.
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2C-T-2 - First time - 7mg, rectal
Background: been using psychedelics intermittently for about twenty years, and have a reasonable amount of experience with the classical ones as well as modern research chemicals.
Today: My last meal was around 5:00-5:30pm. Mindset is good, but tired from having a Guinness wear off earlier in afternoon. I had a few pieces of pizza for dinner. Earlier in the day, I had an energy drink, tea, and coffee, but they had worn off. BP is 119/86. Took 5 drops lemon essential oil in a capsule, as this seems to help me with nausea better than ginger or dramamine - never tried ondansetron. No tolerance expected.
7:00PM After serveral reweighings of the sample on two scales, it was determined to be on the heavy end of 7mg. It was diluted in 3mL of water and added to a clean rectum. Urge to void was stonger than with 2C-D, but less so than with 2C-B/E. No burning.
7:03 1st alert. Wow, that was fast.
7:06 Effects growing at a pretty fast clip. A little stimulating, conventionally psychedelic.
7:13 At peak
7:28 Guess I'm sensitive to this stuff. +++ Nausea flirts with me, but it is not a problem. I actually confuse it with hunger. A bit of mucous develops. It's very clear headed, but allows has some broad psycholytic properties like tryptamines but without the confusion. That said, it's got the same tinge of delerium to the edges that 2C-T-7 has to a lesser extent--despite the clear headedness, I feel like it is good that I proceed cautiously, especially as it's even more stimulating that 2C-t-7. There's a bit of jaw clenching and neck tension already. No real visual at this level, though I am sure they would materialize at higher levels, although the stimulation would be a bit rough (as would the muscle tension, I believe). All that said, I think there is some good potential here. It effortlessly dropped me into a mental state that I try to elicit and maintain with 2C-B, only clearer, healthier, and less forced. Almost had an orgasm just thinking about
masculine energies. The body feel of this is actually pretty nice, surprisingly.
7:35 Experience pretty good visuals in low light, actually. BP high at 139/88.
8:07 Post-peak now. Quite visual. It's as though it was visual for me only through sufferance--cliche, structures of spines, fractals, helices, hieroglyphs, and neons--over gray, always steely chrome. But its visual nature was undeniable for a time, especially closed eye. There were some good introspective elements, but the internal space really did resemble that of a deeper tryptamine at peak. Visionary and transportive to internal worlds. The stimulation has thankfully recently subsided to more manageable levels. Felt quite hungry throughout, strangely. The body high is very enjoyable, with little tremors of pleasure surging through me when I want them to. Strangely, erotic ideation is felt as VERY pleasurable, much more so than actually enacting it seems like it would be. It's sexy without being pro-sexual. There is no tactile enhancement at all. Seems exclusively cerebral material. I'm not sure if I could get an erection if I wanted to, but erotic thoughts can be more pleasurable than physical orgasm. Mentally, it's more manageable now. I'm still at a +++, but I could interact if need be for a while. The string quartet music that I was listening to for a moment was not enhanced, but it was inexpressible, inelectuably exquisite. It really gripped me. This stuff has power like 2C-E, but is less intimidating; it has madness like that of 2C-T-7, but is less threatening. It has all the power it needs to ruin you, but it is approachable. I think it seems like a good material. This dosage and ROA seems to produce a worthwhile experience with only stimulation, cramping, and subtle transient nausea as side-effects. While I have a strong stomach, I think that its reputation for toxic body load may be due to higher doses and an oral ROA.
8:45 Quite introspective stuff. Had some good thoughts, some okay conversations. Level-headed, centered, self-affirming but honest stuff. Not ego-maniacal like I've heard some people find 2C-T-7. Pupils are enormous. Strangely, thoughout the experience I must say that this stuff does not feel unhealthy in the body or the nervous system. It doesn't even provoke the serotonin tiredness or emotional pain responses on come-up that I so often get. There's no dirty brominated edge like 2C-B, no metallic toxicity like MAL, no enervation like early mescaline. Neither is there a feeling of supra-normality to this. Much of the ordinary remains, strangely. Emotional valences are intact. My physicality feels pretty normal.
9:00 The post-peak is definitely more emotional. This reminds me exactly of how 2C-t-7 was described when it was described most positively (except for commentary about the visuals). The trip is quite emotional in nature, but does not feel forced. Overrall, I would not be surprised if we learn that 2C-T-2 does have MAOi properties in vivo--the warm vibe is in keeping with the positivity I get from syrian rue. Actually, it's quite, quite similar to the body high of 5-MeO-MipT, also a putative mild MAOi.
9:24 Never has getting turned on, getting hard, and getting off been more of a chore. Eminently doable, but not in keeping with the emotional quality of the trip. Orgasm, while difficult to achieve, was possible and excellent. Did this for the sake of science, and I wouldn't recommend doing so again. I would have much rather continued in my emotional mental space unmolested by forced sexuality.
9:50 Plateau is gently receding. Still, a remarkable lack of side effects. Just some minor shoulder tension. I really appreciate this stuff's emotionality. I love listening to good, intimate chamber music on it, although opera is also good. This emotionality alone with its mental clarity could make it one of my all-time favorites. The stimulating come up is a huge drag, though--I may try taking it orally slowly over the course of an hour and see if that gets me to a good place, but I expect there will be some major GI distress and long-lasting icky stimulation. I may be able to lessen it by spreading out the rectal doses, but I think it's probably just part and parcel of the 2C-T-2 experience. Perhaps I will revisit 2C-T-7 now that I see that if it's anything like it's kissing chemical cousin it could be worth the dealing with its unpredictable dose-response relationship, long rectal come-up, and committing duration. It's a shame that intranasal routes have proven so dangerous - even titrating up slowly with tiny insufflated doses seems to me an irresponsible risk given the risks and side-effects.
I feel that this dose was a good one and I'm glad I didn't go higher. I could fathom going higher, although I'm not sure what it would gain, but I'm glad I saw what it an do at this level. I was not anticipating a +++. Had I tried a higher dose, I would have been incapacitated, if pleasantly, and a bit alarmed for my first time. If I were to do a higher dose, I would go oral I believe to hopefully attenuate the edgey stimulating come-up rush. That said, I generally get more stimulation off of the higher oral doses needed with 2C-Xs, so who knows? I wish there were more neutral or sedating psychedelics.
10:50 The plateau dropped off a long while back to a ++ where it has remained. Definitely peed a lot with this stuff, so while it may be dehydrating it doesn't inhibit my ability to pee at least.
Midnight: Over the past two hours, I drank two Guinness. Around 11:00 I had a heaping spoon of jatamansi (basically Himalayan valerian.) I lay down to sleep at 12:15 and probably fell asleep in a little over a half an hour. I woke with a mild headache, but feeling otherwise rested at 6AM with no other residual effects.
Conclusion: I think it's amazing how fast this went from a "probably never again" to a "truly special" response. The stimulating rush of a come-up was not my thing, but it quickly faded into a truly special, complex place. What I though was the peak at first was really just the start of a deepening, developing state. The eventual peak was I believe a bit over an hour in, and it wasn't especially useful although I could perhaps learn to appreciate it. There's a lot going on here, kind of like 5-MeO-MiPT, and it would probably take me several experiences to develop a relationship and figure out how to work with this space. Also, the long-lasting emotional plateau was really quite special, though, and is enough to really make me appreciate how very useful this might be. I see where this might be used in place of MDMA, especially for people that react negatively to it like myself. The cooly digital, detailed visuals integrated well with the warm emotionality of the plateau - the vivid colors against a gray scale seem an apt metaphor for the rich mindscapes overlain on the mundane world 2C-T-2 produced. I've never experienced anything like it, such a natural synthesis of the synthetic and the organic. I look forward to exploring it again to try to make sense and use of the space.
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2C-T-2 - Second time - 7mg, rectal
Background: Went to sleep with a mild headache the night before (perhaps ethylphenidate induced) with the assistance of a little bit of kava, alcohol, and 140mg of phenibut. I woke with the headache after a solid night's sleep, which I treated with a total of two ibuprofen over the course of the day. The only other drug consumed today was some strong cocoa. I was in a foul mood for a while today, tending towards despair. It may have been due to inactivity and staying inside all of a four day weekend because of lousy weather. I treated it effectively by going on a long jog in the sunshine. I woke up late, eating a light breakfast of cocoa and crescent rolls, then having a late lunch of a veggie BLT at 2pm.
4:31 - Carefully weighed and reweighed with no tare using the weight of the metal bowl as the base weight. Disolved and dosed with water into as clean a rectum as I could get. I was careful with the dosage, as last time the experience was strong for what seemed a moderate dose. The onset, as last time, was immediate and unmistakeable. Some stimulation, some desire to void bowels, but no significant burning. As I was tired before dosing, I'm enjoying the stimulation more than last time. I took a magnesium and five drops of lemon oil just in case.
4:41 - Effects still building and still pleasant, mostly a change of headspace combined with stimulation. Very mild jaw tension. Suspect hypertension.
5:00 - Effects just kicked up a notch. I went on a nice walk in the park to deal with some of the energy, which was pleasant, although my stomach kept asking rather serious questions without being overtly nauseated. I feel that this stuff would cause vomiting to happen quickly with little warning. There is some tactile euphoria ala moxy which is quite nice. Things are mildly visually rich, which is pleasant.
5:30 - CEVs are subtle but there. It's erotic, but only cerebrally. My body doesn't feel any real tactile enhancement; in fact, doing anything to my body would distract from the sensual pleasures of the mind. At a higher dose, I could easily see myself being brought to orgasm simply through immersion in visualization of the erotic. This time, the experience is focused on the feminine, both in imagery and erotic energies. Apart from that, the visuals are a lighter and less distinct version of last time: Detailed tubes of millipede-like.... Well, imagine a candy necklace moving cell-by-cell across my field of vision, eyes closed. Open eye, there is very little but shuttering and shimmering, much like on a high dose of harmaline. There are no visual distortions; instead, I see fantasies drawn on a layer or film on top of my visual reality. I feel like there would be more rainbows and greater visuals at a higher dose, and I feel I could manage a light redose, but I want to ride this one out and enjoy it for what it's worth. I don't want to risk nausea either, as that would detract from a wonderful space. There's a bit of time dilation through the peak with this one.
6:00 It's like a deeper, richer phenethylamine 5-MeO-MiPT. It's more sensual, but the sensuous character is more intellectual or cerebral, it's not narrative. It's shallow and of this world, not dark and of the subaltern like tryptamines so often are. The space has finally deepened into a more psycholytic one as well as one where there is heart opening. I'm at a good solid ++. I could do a higher dose, but I feel that for most purposes, this is the sweet spot. Higher doses would probably be *distractingly* pleasurable and may have worse side effects. This seems a good level for trying to get psychological or emotional work done in an enjoyable manner without being lost at sea psychologically or sensuously. BP is 130/92 which is quite high enough, especially the diastolic number. I was hoping that it would be like 2c-b and the BP would quickly drop back to normal levels after the comeup. No luck there.
6:20 - Tried to use the Muse EEG headband after the Trombone Shorty album I was listening to ended. Was hindered by technical difficulties at every turn. Have very mild gut crampiness. Attempted to address this by cleaning out my rectum again, only to notice that it quite stung to do so. I guess this isn't any kinder to the mucous membranes down there than any other 2C-X, sadly. I can't tell if I'm post peak or if it's just the end of the music and the fact that I tried to do electronicky things.
7:34 - Nope, I've been very much on the plateau. Despite being altered, I feel like going back to my preoccupations from earlier in the day: the same video game, namely. Could also watch a movie, etc. Don't feel much of interest is going to happen in this nondescript space from here on out, although I'm in an upbeat mood which I wasn't before (again, like 5-MeO-MiPT that way.) I think a higher dose might be needed for an interesting plateau, although I'd prefer to titrate to reach it; that could prove tricky given the rectal irritation. A shame it's not going to be an interesting plateau after such a short peak, but all in all it was pleasant and I hope to be able to sleep unaided tonight. Sex wasn't really an item of interest, but it was sort of attempted. Orgasm wasn't achieved, although I suppose it could have been in different circumstances. Pleasant enough, although not enhanced physically or emotionally. The high seems a little "dirtier" this time, not as clean feeling physically, although on the balance still very, very positive. No severe side effects at this point except presumably blood pressure. Yawning a little now, typical for me after 7. Pupils dilated, but only a little, same as they have been on this substance since the peak started.
7:52 - Yawning a lot now. Tried watching some pornography, and although it sounded thoroughly uninteresting, I was able to achieve orgasm. The psychologial eroticism of this was limited to the peak completely - after that, there has been no inkling of the erotic. Quite the opposite, it's too cerebral for those pursuits, I think, except abstractly as intellectual interests. After reading conflicting reports of this material being highly erotic or, alternatively, intellectual and dissociative, I think I now understand why. It produces in me an early preoccupation with abstract contemplation of the erotic while removing any interest in actually exploring it. It's like being an atheist scholar of religion. A bit of gut cramping now, so will take some Hinga Shtak (Indian herbal formulation for gas gramps) and maybe some nitrous.
8:23 - The nitrous was pleasant and did not detract from the experience. The hinga shtak eased my distress by allowing me to pass the pent up gas. While I have had no spiritual, emotional, or intellectual revelations this evening, and this is certainly no mescaline, it is good material I feel when taken responsibly at reasonable doses. While I probably couldn't, I sure feel like I could fall right asleep.
9:28 - Still yawning. Been mostly down for a while now (down enough to drive, practically,) but residual stimulation will probably keep me from sleeping for a while. A beer would probably send me right off to sleep, but I've been avoiding alcohol lately. I've been quite gassy every since taking the hinga shtak, which sorted me right out. There have been no gas cramps since.
10:00 - Sleep.
Overview: Immediate onset, half hour to start of peak, one hour peak, smooth descent over two to three hours back to baseline. Five and a half hours after dosing, I'm completely down. This was even shorter than my previous experience - easily a week night thing. This is surprisingly one of the shortest
acting psychedelics I've tried, at least at this dosage. The effects are complex, mutating over the course of the short experience. It makes it hard to figure out what to do with the space, but it seems quite promising. It's deeper than 2C-B and less gritty feeling, but not as mystical as mescaline. It seems pretty grounded in the profane/everyday world while still providing good opportunities for peace, reflection, and growth. The two experiences were remarkably consistent, at least, so it should be possible to get a feel for it relatively quickly. I look forward to trying it again, but it's tough to make time as it potentially interracts with so many things - even my sinus medication.
Also, I'm beginning to think that this would be a good candidate for volumetric dosing given my unusual sensitivity to it and the low dose - required for this ROA. As my scales have been acting up and have been swinging by up to 3mg in both directions. That's a huge difference in dose rectally if one is not careful with this material.
I am still interested in exploring this at a low dose orally, say 10mg in liquid over the course of an hour, but am worried it will just lead to a difficult comeup, nausea and bodyload, and a stimulating but unrewarding experience. It alternatively may be a light, pleasant, peaceful experience. It's just so hard to convince myself to give it a shot when the rectal ROA is so fast.
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