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Opioids Kratom Megathread V.6

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Any advice to avoid projectile vomiting?

I'm attempting to use kratom as "bridge" to get off opioids completely as I can't deal with the torment of a suboxone 2 week withdrawal at this time. I would like to use it for 3 weeks then cold turkey off of it.

I find that every time I dose there's about a 1 in 3 (or greater) chance that I am overcome by nausea and if I can't make it to the toilet end up having to clean vomit off my bathroom walls and floor.

I am thinking about either capping it or going with an extract.

Would either of these, or any other method help me not throw up in such violent fashion? I would just smoke weed but I don't have time after dosing to smoke before it comes back up.

Heroin in Massachusetts is at the point where I'm fairly certain 90% or more has fentanyl and I am not looking to die (part of why I'm on suboxone to start with) and pills are priced unreasonably high. For me to get high off oxycodone for example when I wasn't tolerant took about 50mg for a 4 hour high and to just avoid withdrawal with the popular pills might cost $100 or more per day.

I'd like to go the kratom route but if I can't keep it down I'll just stick to suboxone and try to get a bottle of tramadol which are generally dirt cheap.
 
Are you throwing up because of the taste or because of the nausea from it sitting in your stomach?

Capping it helps with the taste but is time consuming. You can also place up to a couple grams inside a square of tissue paper/toilet paper, fold it up and wash it down with something to drink. The tissue/toilet paper method is not recommended though if you are the type of person that would have difficulty swallowing something like that (some people cannot due to gag reflex).
 
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How much are you taking? It just sounds like you're taking too much. Nausea is a really common side effect when you overdo it.
 
Mycophile said:
Couple questions:

Does anyone have info, not just on where the Kratom ban is at in particular in the U.S., but New York specifically??

Unfortunately, they are really going after New York, Florida and 2 other states right now (forget which ones).

And with Jeff "the weed hating neo nazi" just being appointed Attorney General, I think it won't be long now...

I hate the fucking DEA, they are downright evil IMO.

Anyways, I wanted to know where it's at at this point.

I guess I've heard legality issues aren't allowed to be discussed here but is it REALLY not ok to discuss whether something is legal or not?

I just don't understand what harm that does anyone.

As for WD, of course it has some.

That is one of the reasons I've gotten to the point of wanting to stop, only the problem is I'd just like to stop for a year or two, not FOREVER, but I may not have a choice.

I've been pretty good at not using it every SINGLE day, and honestly most people would be much further in after using on and off for 2 years, but still, I'm at a point where because I don't want to become TOO dependent, like once every two weeks I have to go about another week without to get over the WD, which is mainly depression, being really tired and sleeping a lot, some muscle aches, runny nose, and just not having much motivation to do anything.

It's not the worst thing in the world, and really IMO is pretty much like going cold turkey off coffee cause I have a HUGE caffeine habit, except adding in a runny nose.

It should stay legal...but it's just gotten to this point where i think enough is enough and I'm not focusing enough on more important thing and don't like having to be incapable of doing much while I go through withdrawal for like 12 days or so out of every month to avoid the habit getting any worse.

And I do have one question: now I PERSONALLY think the liver issues are for rare people who can't tolerate Kratom due to lacking some enzymes.

BUT...and this is a bit explicit LOL, maybe a few days a month when I am sitting on the toilet the day after using Kratom, and then sometimes for a few more minutes after getting up off the toliet, I will feel like I am getting some mild aches in my liver area.

Has anyone else ever experienced this?

Do you think this is a sign that I am straining my liver?

Just because I feel it in the right side does that mean it's my liver?

And if it is, to people think this is long term?

I mean I tend to think it might just be from straining after being constipated, but why the left side and not the right, and why only when I use the toilet or shortly after?

I am assuming the issue will clear up once I eventually stop, and would probably not do more than temporarily raise liver enzymes like alcohol do, but since the last time I had a doctors visit and had my liver/blood looked at was only shortly after I started using small amounts of Kratom once or twice a week, I have to admit I'm a bit nervous about my next doctor's visit, and thinking I'm REALLY gonna clean up, abstain from most drugs including Kratom, alcohol, Phenibut, etc for a few months, and go on a good diet and lose some weight, with the hopes that my liver will look good by the time I finally go.

I guess I have established that old oh so healthy "white coat doctor fear" haha.

I mean I figure, why go see the doctor when you are putting crap in your body so you can see bad results?

Why not clean up, do the right thing for a few months and only THEN see the doctor, because if by THAT time your liver/blood looks good, you are ok, and if not, well only then would you have something to worry about, other than freaking out about something temporary.

I mean my liver enzymes are always elevated after drinking also...so I see no point in getting yourself in bad shape and having a doctor look at you while you are at your worse so he can say "yeah, your liver enzymes are elevated" well no shit doc lol......
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On a forum where people discuss drug use, today's society makes discussions about legality inherently dangerous territory. That info can be pretty easily found with a Google search anyways, and if not, you should be able to get that information from local authorities.

It's really easy to mistake pain related to gas and constipation for liver pain. Your liver is pretty high up, so it would be your upper right quadrant. If you're really suffering from liver problems, there are alot of other symptoms to look for, but the typically, liver problems are asymptomatic until they become serious. Youre probably fine, but if you need peace of mind, bring it up to your doctor and you can get bloodwork done to check it out. Obviously, quitting is the best solution.
 
An update on my quitting Kratom experience. Today is my first day without any PL and only S & V. I have no WD yet whatsoever. While there is definitely not the same euphoria from S&V that I achieve from PL, it actually feels pretty decent. And the most important aspect is it seems to be staving off WD 100%. I do not even have any mental anxiety....yet. I'll see how the rest of the day goes bc WD for me usually doesn't start to get uncomfortable until the 30 hour mark and right now I am only at 18 hours. Still feeling much better with the S&V than I normally am at this point w no PL.

Maybe S&V causes a softer landing after all...
 
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If you're taking it as powder washed down with a drink, be sure to swish it all up properly in your mouth before swallowing. Otherwise, there's a tendency for clumps of powder to form and remain dry which can cause irritation on the way down.
There's a bit of a knack to the "swishing" too - you have to keep all of the mixture towards the front of your mouth until it's all wet, else there's a risk of some dry powder setting off your gag reflex, or worse, being accidentally inhaled.
 
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Why havn't any sort of regulation of kratom been proposed. I would actually favor knowing my kratom wasn't covered in toxic metals and pesticides. And 14 year old kids shouldn't have access to it either.

Why is there no discussion of this at all, just outright scheduling. I mean the DEA did back down, and now they just don't say shit. it seems very fishy i think they are just waiting for shit to calm down and we will wake up one morning and it will be illegal with no warning whatsoever
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Why havn't any sort of regulation of kratom been proposed. I would actually favor knowing my kratom wasn't covered in toxic metals and pesticides. And 14 year old kids shouldn't have access to it either.

Why is there no discussion of this at all, just outright scheduling. I mean the DEA did back down, and now they just don't say shit. it seems very fishy i think they are just waiting for shit to calm down and we will wake up one morning and it will be illegal with no warning whatsoever
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Preach
 
^ Let's take stock. The DEA did back off as a result of letters from senators and congressman (available online to view to which I am still speechless over) and the BEA and AKA have been going out and meeting with people. That's pretty big. So I just wanted to add to the positive momentum. That did counteract some of the sneaky big pharma moved to f&ck society for a profit.

I am as jaded as anyone. Been around to long and lived through the "Just Say No" era and watched peaceful Deadheads get their lives ruined by LE's shooting ducks in a barrel in parking lots. Very barbaric. So I am jaded. I curse the douchbags (whoever they may be) all the time. But I see good here with kratom and we all did make a difference. And if we donate to those associations and don't feel they are doing enough we can voice that to them. But they do go out and meet with people and keep us updated.

But I like the vision of quality kratom that is clean and inspected with an over 18 restriction. For most of us that have utilized kratom it has been a life saver. So more positive than negative. I want definitive answers too. But what I don't believe is we wake up one day and all the good work we all did just gets ignored. But if this were 1985 that would happen. But I don't believe that will be the result if this fight. Winning a few battles lifts the spirits a bit.
 
So what I've learned from Kratom WD is that, no it's not as severe in a physical way like traditional opiates, but the sweating and freaking killer anxiety is brutal. The lethargy and lack of motivation also sucks bad. The only good thing is that it hits quick and is over quick (for me at least). Still, not something I want to experience again.
 
Oxygal said:
So what I've learned from Kratom WD is that, no it's not as severe in a physical way like traditional opiates, but the sweating and freaking killer anxiety is brutal. The lethargy and lack of motivation also sucks bad. The only good thing is that it hits quick and is over quick (for me at least). Still, not something I want to experience again.
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How quick does the withdrawal phase pass for you?
 
Hi, I take Kratom every day and noticed that Sometimes I get really bad dry mouth. When I have anxiety (social anxiety), it gets worse and I cannot talk to people. Every time I go out I get the fucking dry mouth! I would like to know if kratom worsens anxiety...and thus the anxiety makes the dry mouth worse?

Does anyone have the dry mouth problem? If so how do you deal with it. Or Anxiety for that matter?
 
Sobrietysucks said:
Hi, I take Kratom every day and noticed that Sometimes I get really bad dry mouth. When I have anxiety (social anxiety), it gets worse and I cannot talk to people. Every time I go out I get the fucking dry mouth! I would like to know if kratom worsens anxiety...and thus the anxiety makes the dry mouth worse?

Does anyone have the dry mouth problem? If so how do you deal with it. Or Anxiety for that matter?
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Do you drink enough water? For most people, kratom is an anxiolytic. IME it can be a little anxiogenic if I overdo it with more stimulating strains--especially when im also drinking coffee. I sometimes feel like I get a dry mouth when I feel WD set in if I'm using it all all the time, but not so much while I'm taking it

What strain are you using? Red veins are more relaxing than greens or whites.
 
Slow_Mobius said:
Do you drink enough water? For most people, kratom is an anxiolytic. IME it can be a little anxiogenic if I overdo it with more stimulating strains--especially when im also drinking coffee. I sometimes feel like I get a dry mouth when I feel WD set in if I'm using it all all the time, but not so much while I'm taking it

What strain are you using? Red veins are more relaxing than greens or whites.
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i chugged a bottle of water and the dry mouth still wouldn't go away... I thought the dry mouth was due to dehydration but it seems more related to anxiety.

I take stimulant strains like whites and meang da.

The day I had anxiety episode, I overdid the kratom and drank 2 cups of coffee. I was such a mess, . I felt the exact same way when I was cracked out on amphetamines.

However yesterday I only took a bit of red strains and no coffee and my dry mouth problem appeared again! I kept drinking water and it wouldn't go away..

Today I didn't go out. I took some reds and I am fine. Its almost as if any anxiety provoking situation causes the dry mouth.

I cannot say if its the kratom or my anxiety causing the dry mouth issue. And I don't know if kratom worsens anxiety. But I know that kratom does not do anything for my anxiety. I have not tried going without it as I made a habit of taking them every day..


Thank you for replying to my post. :) I really appreciate it
 
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Damn I just had some kratom and i'm getting the dry mouth again! Drinking powerade not helping the dry mouth keeps coming back. Its always a really nasty case of dry mouth which makes it difficult to speak.
 
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