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3-fea

3fea is a fucking great RC, it's the best stuff wich hapenned these last time. Enter the 150/200mg terrritorry and you will undestand the product. I took it 2 times, it was perhaps even more in term of dose but I prefer not potentially making ppl ill, Ill not repeat as it's potentially dangerous, I was blasted like good MDMA no joke. 80/100mg didn't make me that on, but over 180/200 you are rolling face. Ive no tolerance to serotonin releaser, this is one of the only kind of drugs that I take less than 1 time each 4 or 5 month.
Warning
I always dose high with stimulant
Try at your own risk

Seems like a high dose compared to what others have suggested.
 
spikeycloud, you may already know at this point that it's all in the dose. 20mg is quite a small amount of 3-FEA for an average mass human being.
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How much of an altered state of mind are you after with this is only known to you but, given your “dissapointment” my advice is for you to at least aim at 4x that amount next time. That should shift the script considerably. Remember this is only an advice, you're the one bearing full responsibility for what you believe in and do. An equanimous state of mind is of amazing value in the club jungle, where you may have to deal with astray fellows. :\

Cheers and have fun :D

Yes I know, though I’m really not in the position to take doses like that. Because I’m still recovering from a big depression. And the recovery is just slowly starting. To be honest I was not even planning to take it. But the curiosity got the best of me – and yeah if you don’t feel well most of the time you still want to have fun so now and then. Just to have a break from it.

I also think that the mindset was not that great before I took it. I was kind of expecting it not doing much – not on purpose but those thoughts were roaming in my mind without my consent that evening. I also believe I have a big tolerance to the euphoria of stims – even though I did not take them that much...What also played a role was that the club had not a good vibe in my view. It would be of course interesting if I would have a different experience at home or with friend.

So besides the those all those factors can play a big role. Also I think that it harder to get euphoria if you are depressed. You are identified with that state for so long you need a pretty radical shift to really change and believe that - the mind is a powerful thing ;)
 
This is the experience of a friend of me who took 60 mg

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I'm relatively inexperienced in the area of research chemicals, having been introduced to them earlier this year by someone I was fortunate enough to meet online, but I think I've already had enough experience of amphetamine analogues to offer a comment on my experience of 3-FEA. My previous experience of stims is confined only to 4FA and 3FA, both of which I have enjoyed enormously in every possible way, so I hope that more experienced users will excuse my ignorance of more out-of-the-way and perhaps better stims that I've never taken or even yet heard of.

Being a newbie to RCs, I'm very cautious, despite the reports I read, about the dosage I take of a substance that's completely new to me. For this reason, I was being very careful, and took 60mgs of 3-FEA - which is considered a high dose on many sources. Experienced users will, of course, not be surprised at what I have to report about this mere 60mgs. I can say "mere" now because I have the experience to back it up.

60mgs of 3-FEA will not drive you irresistibly to the dance floor, engender endless lust, or make you feel inexhaustible. For those of you who want to get a real buzz from this RC, it's obvious to me now that a much higher dosage is needed. I must, however, qualify this remark by pointing out that I took 60mgs of 4FA (a small dose, I know) three days before taking 3-FEA, and much larger doses of 4FA in the preceding weeks. In short, I have tolerance for stims, so my experience of that "mere"' 60mgs may not be yours if you do not have tolerance.

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As you can see here my friend even had a very tame experience at 60 mg. While this dose is considered by at the high range on many sites. The vendor I got this from always delivers pure stuff – with no exception - this vendor is also considered be by many the best vendor available now. So that the sample is not pure is very unlikely.

Either the dosages that those sites give – are extremely low. Or both me and my friend are very tolerant to this specific substance. I have to say that I’m really surprised that he felt that little even after taking 4-FA a few days before. He took 4-FA after – and he felt that fine. So it cannot be really amphetamine tolerance either.
 
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As you can see here my friend even had a very tame experience at 60 mg. While this dose is considered by at the high range on many sites. …
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… Either the dosages that those sites give – are extremely low. Or both me and my friend are very tolerant to this specific substance. I have to say that I’m really surprised that he felt that little even after taking 4-FA a few days before. He took 4-FA after – and he felt that fine. So it cannot be really amphetamine tolerance either.

Just take a look at what I posted back on the 1st of August, 400mgs in 3 - 4 swings maybe. That was my first dance with the stuff.

Cheers ;)
 
Set & setting:
In a club – was a bit bored before I did go and was slightly anxious. Did get the 3-FEA from a very respected vendor.

Dose:
20 mg 3-FEA in a gelcap with 20 mg noopept + 3 beers

Tolerance:
Had not amphetamines for many months. (I did took some low doses 2-3 mg 4F-MPH previous week - but I dont believe they would cause much tollerance) Took pretty low dose for the first time to test the waters.

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Took the cap while walking to the club had at this moment already 2 beers because I felt a little bit anxious and had a lot of thoughts. In the club I was also really a bit anxious. It was not the best setting and people still were sober. So everyone was still standing still. I decided to dance a little to get in the mood. It did help a bit but still felt the uncomfortable mindset many times.

T 0:30 - 1:00

Feeling the first alerts. Getting a more calm anxious feeling reduced somewhat. But still not a really better mindset. I tried to switch some clubs in hope that might help and took another beer. Could not feel any more connection which other humans – and was still in my head a lot of time

T 1:00 – 3:00
After the peak hits I felt a bit different. But I still felt pretty relaxed and it did not really want to make me dance. I decided to take a Red Bull in hope to get more energy but that did not help either. In this time I switches a lot of clubs, but I could not come in a party mood – I was even getting irritated from time to time because some people acted very retarded on alcohol and were often in the way. Which kinda surprised me. I don’t think that this is the 3-FEA but my own mindset. But I did expect a lot more from it.

T 3:00 – 4:00
After 3 hours or so I started to get a bit sleepy. Had not much energy the whole trip and now it did even get less so I decided to go home. Even though I felt sleepy I could not sleep without etizolam. And even with etizolam I had the feeling I had one of those half-awake half in dream sleeps. I was also thinking a lot.

Conclusion:
Was not impressed at all. Yes I know it is a small dose.. but even 20 mg is a pretty low dose and my set and setting were not the best, I did expect a bit more than this. So I’m disappointed.

3-FEA did give me not extra energy, it did not give me more empathy, it did reduced social anxiety slightly but that could also be a slight mindset shift of myself. I did feel pretty sober for the most part – and what really surprised me, was that I was sometimes irrtatible from very small things – but I don’t think this was because of 3-FEA. Libido was also unchanged. I suspect that 3-FEA would be better in a home setting. I also did not like the fact even though it felt sleepy I still could not sleep without etizolam.

Might try a higher dose in the future in a better setting. A friend of me is going to test 60 mg somewhere in the coming two week from my batch. I will post his results in this topics some later on.

No wonder dude...lol 20 mg's Is a very small dose. Nobody will be impressed with that size dose. You can't expect more from this chemical at that dose. The only way to get more out of this chemical is to take more. It's not like your traditional MDMA. Anyway this may not be for you. If you're more into the "feel" good, whole body orgrasm for 4 hours type of roll, then you would like 3-MMC and 4-CMC much better. But again at that 20 mg dose, you aren't gonna feel much of anything no matter what you take (assuming it's an empathagen)
 
The only way to roll really good from this is to take 150+ MG (Although I don't recommend this as it could be dangerous) and
putting loud music on helps too, just as it does with MDMA. So it's a roll but at those small doses it's nothing more than a minor stimulant, with maybe a bit of feel good in the background.
 
There's soo much damage prevention bullcrap…

There's soo much damage prevention bullcrap going on it's
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insane. I mostly refer to the dosage recommendations on certain sites, too conservative some of them. Unaware lads may end up believing it is safe to take much higher doses as a rule, this can lead to problems if looking at properly done dosage charts.
In my experience and using a high bioavailability route, I would start with 1+mg/Kg. If I were to enter roll territory I would take no less than 2mg/Kg (closer to 3mg/Kg, in fact); sort of agree with The King of Beans. These are my guidelines.
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May all beings be happy.

Cheers :D
 
Quoted for truth. 20 something year olds today don't even know what good MDMA is supposed to feel like. I don't care if you did buy it on the dark net, had it tested by GC/MS or however many 200 plus mg's ecstasydata.org says your Tesla has. Today's MDMA sucks!!! And judging from from all the long term comedown posts around here, it or some unknown common impurity in it seriously fucks your brain up in ways that the good ole rolls from the 90s never did!

I wholeheartedly agree. We have been talking about this over here: http://bluelight.org/vb/threads/791073-What-is-wrong-with-the-MDMA-available-today
 
Just to add more dosage info. I tried an oral dose of 45mg a couple hours ago, after 45 minutes felt nothing but a very slight mood lift, and no real physical symptoms. Then I bombed another 60mg, and after about an hour I'm a little more upbeat, and I've got a few scalp tingles and some dry mouth, but anything I'm feeling is pretty weak still. Next time I try this will be at least 150mg. I don't know what was going on with the reports from a year ago saying this is active under 50mg.
 
Whilst I don't typically hang about in the MDMA subforum, as, being autistic, I don't really find the artificially induced entactogenic state to be..well, it feels forced on me and artificial, as if running 'NT' as an operating system on emulator software (I.e the drug) on autistic wetware. Its not the way I naturally am, and whilst it can have its values, its typically a shallow experience to me (unlike the entactogen AMT, thats also a full on 5H2a receptor agonist trip in the card-carrying psychedelic sense, that I respond better to) and I find I really don't like the idea of something, even temporarily, making me closer to 'non autistic/NT-like' (no offense to the neurotypicals here, its just a personal area of comfortability thing), kind of gives me the creeps in that sensee.

I noticed this thread, though. And should point out that longterm use of this might be dangerous. This is very, VERY close to fenfluramine, the now withdrawn diet drug stimulant, thats also a strong serotonergic drug. In the case of fenfluramine vs this, its simply a 1 for 1 replacement of the 3-trilfluoromethyl substituent present in fenfluramines structure for a 3-fluoro, still a highly electron withdrawing group, fenfluramine is 3-TFM-N-ethylamphetamine. It had a very long half life, and so did a similarly active metabolite, the N-desethylated norfenfluramine, and both were possessed of powerful agonist effects at 5HT2b receptors, which in people taking it resulted in sustained, intense 5HT2b receptor agonism that had a tendency towards causing hypertrophic growth of IIRC the tricuspid valve, within the heart, with a thickening of the valve flaps and resultant cardiac problems, as 5HT2b receptors.

Now I'm not certain that this is a strong 5HT2b agonist, or for 3-fluoro (N-methyl)amphetamine, rather I'm basing this warning off the fact that both these are N-ethylated amphetamines with a single ring-substitution, located at the 3' position phenyl carbon that is of a highly electron withdrawing nature. And so is an aryl fluoride like this.

So it isn't beyond the realms of the foreseeable that this too could be a strong 5HT2b receptor agonist as well.
 
Limpet_Chicken...

Limpet_Chiken, what you call "artificially induced entactogenic state" is just a particular opinion of yours derived from your experiences. Very much like me or anyone else, you're a co-creator of reality and thenceforth subjective. If it is of any consolation, I also never bit into the MDMA hype coming from lots of uneducated an unenlightened fellows who tend to believe they're believed higher just because oooh! uuuh! after dosing something they've got from a dealer. And I do not mean to judge.
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You can believe in whatever, be it "good" or "bad". Feed your beliefs and they'll end up becoming reality, let me quote John C. Lilly: In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind, there are no limits... In the province of connected minds, what the network believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the network's mind there are no limits.

With regards to your chemical metabolic assumptions... they're your chemical metabolic assumptions. I believe and feel differently. :\
Hope this serves you well my friend.

In The Light,
Salvador
 
The remark about the artificially induced state, that is indeed specific to me.

I was just trying to explain why I was popping in here. I saw the thread itself, about 3-FEA, and assumed that the abbreviation stood for what it does indeed stand for. So I felt it necessary to pop in here and bring this to light.

This is VERY similar to fenfluramine. Both in terms of physical structure and the functional groups, the 3-fluoro group will act as an electronic bioisostere for the 3-trifluoromethyl present in fenfluramine, they are both highly electronegative, and as such withdraw electron density from the aromatic ring, both are N-ethylamphetamines.

They are very similar. Similar enough for there to be a very good chance of 3-fluoro-N-ethylamphetamine being a potent 5HT2b receptor agonist, like fenfluramine is. My personal reactions to entactogens are irrelevant to this. This is not an opinionated judgement just because I personally don't really care for entactogens. Just an autie thing. The prediction about the IMO likely high binding affinity for 5HT2b receptors is based on SAR extrapolation from known compounds. In this specific case extremely similar ones.
 
I agree with Barkuti,

it doesnt work with 30mg or 50mg .. it starts from 1,5mg/kg with orally.
Intranasal is waste of time. Just take it orally.
 
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Tried this substance first time and dosed first 150mg and then another one after an hour, sniffed 50mg after two five hours from the initial dose and another 50mg six hours after the initial dose and then 150mg orally after seven hours after the initial dose.

I would say that with those dosages the feelings were first like MDMA with an added sedation but before insufflation it become more like amphetamine like high and insufflation didn't change that but the last oral dose gave another MDMA roll like feeling again.

I was unable to sleep at all and am wide awake after six hours of last dose.

In conclusion the trip was nice and I was accompanied with my fiancee who took similar dosages.

As with MDMA we had great talking and great sex but it was more porn than making love than it is with MDMA if you guys get what I mean. We went to night club right after taking last dose and danced for an hour and then came back to our apartment and went to sauna and started to make love again. No hyperthermia feelings like with MDMA + sauna does.

In my opinion this is much more functional than MDMA as we could function normally the whole time and no one at the night club noticed anything except maybe for the fact that we came there without drinking anything before and took just two alcoholic beverages the whole time we were in the night club and those who know how Finns use to party know that it is a really small amount for people to drink here.

Will definately look forward trying this again and maybe combining this with LSD to get some candyflipping going on.
 
Anyone tried combining 3-FEA with arylcyclohexylamines (I had 3-meo-PCP, 3-meo-PCE or 3-HO-PCP in mind).
 
So I tried this substance 3 times.

First time was insufflated, about 80mg or so in 3 takes spaced out in about 4 hours I think. Wasn't very impressive, some stimulation and slight serotonin releasing activity. Went to chill with friends, was nice, but nothing more.

Second time I dosed 150mg orally, with 50mg insufflated on top at a club night. Felt like a clearheaded roll, was fun and I couldn't shut up for the life of me. Snorting it hurt and there was quite the drip. Wouldn't snort this tbh, and I regretted not taking 200mg all at once. Long tail though, stayed awake for about 12 hours after dosing. Did do ketamine somewhere around +9:00.

Third time was in a pill form that I once got for free on some order, was supposed to be 70mg 3-FEA and 30mg 2-FEA. This time it felt a little more stimmy but not over the top, and they combined great actually, more prevalent than expected.

Interesting compound, never had any real comedown or bad side effects (maybe a little dizzy at times), it really is an all serotonin, smooth roll.
 
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