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What Jesus Said

Cool thread.

I like it when Jesus trolls us the best.

This is Jesus explaining why he purposefully speaks in parable to confuse people so they go to hell.

Mark 4:11-12
11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that,

“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’

Jesus threatens all with death and war, especially if you love your parents more than him

Matthew 10:34-39

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[a]

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs even though it was out of season, lol

Mark 11:13-14
13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.
 
16) And Jesus said,
There is no night where shines the sun; I have no secret messages to give; in light all secrets are revealed.
17) Ajainin said,
I came from far-away Lahore, that I might learn about this ancient wisdom, and this kingdom of the Holy One of which you speak.
18 ) Where is the kingdom? where the king? Who are the subjects? what its laws?
19) And Jesus said,
This kingdom is not far away, but man with mortal eyes can see it not; it is within the heart.
20) You need not seek the king in earth, or sea, or sky; he is not there, and yet is everywhere. He is the Christ of God; is universal love.
21) The gate of this dominion is not high, and he who enters it must fall down on his knees. It is not wide, and none can carry carnal bundles through.
22) The lower self must be transmuted into spirit-self; the body must be washed in living streams of purity.
23) Ajainin asked,
Can I become a subject of this king?
24) And Jesus said,
You are yourself a king, and you may enter through the gate and be a subject of the King of kings.
25) But you must lay aside your priestly robes; must cease to serve the Holy One for gold; must give your life, and all you have, in willing service to the sons of men.
26) And Jesus said no more; Ajainin went his way; and while he could not comprehend the truth that Jesus spoke, he saw what he had never seen before.
27) The realm of faith he never had explored; but in his heart the seeds of faith and universal brotherhood had found good soil.
28 ) And as he journeyed to his home he seemed to sleep, to pass through darkest night, and when he woke the Sun of Righteousness had arisen; he had found the king.
 
If anybody has something to say to a particular somebody that is off-topic, take it to PM please. Thanks.
 
ONE day as Jesus stood beside the Ganges busy with his work, a caravan, returning from the West, drew near.
2) And one, approaching Jesus, said,
We come to you just from your native land and bring unwelcome news.
3) Your father is no more on earth; your mother grieves; and none can comfort her. She wonders whether you are still alive or not; she longs to see you once again.
4) And Jesus bowed his head in silent thought; and then he wrote. Of what he wrote this is the sum:
5) My mother, noblest of womankind; A man just from my native land has brought me word that father is no more in flesh, and that you grieve, and are disconsolate.
6) My mother, all is well; is well for father and is well for you.
7) His work in this earth-round is done, and it is nobly done.
8 ) In all the walks of life men cannot charge him with deceit, dishonesty, nor wrong intent.
9) Here in this round he finished many heavy tasks, and he has gone from hence prepared to solve the problems of the round of soul.
10) Our Father-God is with him there, as he was with him here; and there his angel guards his footsteps lest he goes astray.
11) Why should you weep? Tears cannot conquer grief. There is no power in grief to mend a broken heart.
12) The plane of grief is idleness; the busy soul can never grieve; it has no time for grief.
13) When grief come trooping through the heart, just lose yourself; plunge deep into the ministry of love, and grief is not.
14) Yours is a ministry of love, and all the world is calling out for love.
15) Then let the past go with the past; rise from the cares of carnal things and give your life for those who live.
16) And if you lose your life in serving life you are sure to find it in the morning sun, the evening dews, in song of bird, in flowers, and in the stars of night.
17) In just a little while your problems of this earth-round will be solved; and when your sums are all worked out it will be pleasure unalloyed for you to enter wider fields of usefulness, to solve the greater problems of the soul.
18 ) Strive, then, to be content, and I will come to you some day and bring you richer gifts than gold or precious stones.
19) I'm sure that John will care for you, supplying all your needs; and I am with you all the way, Jehoshua.
20) And by the hand of one, a merchant, going to Jerusalem, he sent this letter on its way.
 
Hi Ninae,

is the numeric order arbitrary or is it presented like that in your book ? What are the sources (just curious, because you always start enumerating from 1) ? Thx.
 
Jesus talks about enlightenment...

IN silent meditation Jesus sat beside a flowing spring. It was a holy day, and many people of the servant caste were near the place.
2) And Jesus saw the hard drawn lines of toil on every brow, in every hand. There was no look of joy in any face. Not one of all the group could think of anything but toil.
3) And Jesus spoke to one and said,
Why are you all so sad? Have you no happiness in life?
4) The man replied,
We scarcely know the meaning of that word. We toil to live, and hope for nothing else but toil, and bless the day when we can cease our toil and lay us down to rest in Buddha's city of the dead.
5) And Jesus' heart was stirred with pity and with love for these poor toilers, and he said,
6) Toil should not make a person sad; men should be happiest when they toil. When hope and love are back of toil, then all of life is filled with joy and peace, and this is heaven. Do you not know that such a heaven is for you?
7) The man replied,
Of heaven we have heard; but then it is so far away, and we must live so many lives before we can reach that place!
8 ) And Jesus said,
My brother, man, your thoughts are wrong; your heaven is not far away; and it is not a place of metes and bounds, is not a country to be reached; it is a state of mind.
9) God never made a heaven for man; he never made a hell; we are creators and we make our own.
10) Now, cease to seek for heaven in the sky; just open up the windows of your hearts, and, like a flood of light, a heaven will come and bring a boundless joy; then toil will be no cruel task.
11) The people were amazed, and gathered close to hear this strange young master speak,
12) Imploring him to tell them more about the Father-God; about the heaven that men can make on earth; about the boundless joy.
13) And Jesus spoke a parable; he said,
A certain man possessed a field; the soil was hard and poor.
14) By constant toil he scarcely could provide enough of food to keep his family from want.
15) One day a miner who could see beneath the soil, in passing on his way, saw this poor man and his unfruitful field.
16) He called the weary toiler and he said, My brother, know you not that just below the surface of your barren field rich treasures lie concealed?
17) You plough and sow and reap in scanty way, and day by day you tread upon a mine of gold and precious stones.
18 ) This wealth lies not upon the surface of the ground; but if you will dig away the rocky soil, and delve down deep into the earth, you need no longer till the soil for naught.
19) The man believed. The miner surely knows; he said, and I will find the treasures hidden in my field.
20) And then he dug away the rocky soil, and deep down in the earth he found a mine of gold.
21) And Jesus said,
The sons of men are toiling hard on desert plains, and burning sands and rocky soils; are doing what there fathers did, not dreaming they can do aught else.
22) Behold, a master comes, and tells them of a hidden wealth; that underneath the rocky soil of carnal things are treasures that no man can count;
23) That in the heart the richest gems abound; that he who wills may open the door and find them all.
24) And then the people said,
Make known to us the way that we may find the wealth that lays within the heart.
25) And Jesus opened up the way; the toilers saw another side of life, and toil became a joy.
 
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7) And Jesus was Ajainin's guest; he taught Ajainin many things; revealed to him the secrets of the healing art.
8 ) He taught him how he could control the spirits of the air, the fire, the water and the earth; and he explained to him the secret doctrine of forgiveness, and the blotting out of sins.
9) One day Ajainin sat with Jesus in the temple porch; a band of wandering singers and musicians paused before the court to sing and play.
10) Their music was most rich and delicate, and Jesus said,
Among the high-bred people of the land we hear no sweeter music than that these uncouth children of the wilderness bring here to us.
11) From whence this talent and this power? In one short life they surely could not gain such grace of voice, such knowledge of the laws of harmony and tone.
12) Men call them prodigies. There are no prodigies. All things result from natural law.
13) These people are not young. A thousand years would not suffice to give them such divine expressiveness, and such purity of voice and touch.
14) Ten thousand years ago these people mastered harmony. In days of old they trod the busy thoroughfares of life, and caught the melody of birds, and played on harps of perfect form.
15) And they have come again to learn still other lessons from the varied notes of manifests.
16) These wandering people form a part of heaven's orchestra, and in the land of perfect things the very angels will delight to hear them play and sing.
17) And Jesus taught the common people of Lahore; he healed their sick, and showed to them the way to rise to better things by helpfulness.
18 ) He said,
We are not rich by what we get and hold; the only things we keep are those we give away.
19) If you would live the perfect life, give forth your life in service for your kind, and for the forms of life that men esteem the lower forms of life.
 
THE fame of Jesus as a teacher spread through all the land, and people came from near and far to hear his words of truth.
2) At Behar, on the sacred river of the Brahms, he taught for many days.
3) And Ach, a wealthy man of Behar, made a feast in honor of his guest, and he invited every one to come.
4) And many came; among them thieves, extortioners, and courtesans. And Jesus sat with them and taught; but they who followed him were much aggrieved because he sat with thieves and courtesans.
5) And they upbraided him; they said,
Rabboni, master of the wise, this day will be an evil day for you.
6) The news will spread that you consort with courtesans and thieves, and men will shun you as they shun an asp.
7) And Jesus answered them and said,
A master never screens himself for sake of reputation or of fame.
8 ) These are but worthless baubles of the day; they rise and sink, like empty bottles on a stream; they are illusions and will pass away;
9) They are the indices to what the thoughtless think; they are the noise that people make; and shallow men judge merit by noise.
10) God and all master men judge men by what they are and not by what they seem to be; not by their reputation and their fame.
11) These courtesans and thieves are children of my Father-God; their soul are just as precious in his sight as yours, or of the Brahmic priests.
12) And they are working out the same life sums that you, who pride yourselves on your respectability and moral worth, are working out.
13) And some of them have solved much harder sums than you have solved, you men who look at them with scorn.
14) Yes, they are sinners, and confess their guilt, while you are guilty, but are shrewd enough to have polished coat to cover up your guilt.
15) Suppose you men who scorn these courtesans, these drunkards and these thieves, who know that you are pure in heart and life, that you are better far than they, stand forth that men may know just who you are.
16) The sin lies in the wish, in the desire, not in the act.
17) You covet other people's wealth; you look at charming forms, and deep within your hearts you lust for them.
18 ) Deceit you practice every day, and wish for gold, for honor and for fame, just for your selfish selves.
19) The man who covets is a thief, and she who lusts is courtesan. You who are none of these speak out.
20) Nobody spoke; the accusers held their peace.
21) And Jesus said,
The proof this day is all against those who have accused.
22) The pure in heart do not accuse. The vile in heart who want to cover up their guilt with holy smoke of piety are ever loathing drunkard, thief and courtesan.
23) This loathing and this scorn is mockery, for if the tinseled coat of reputation could be torn away, the loud professor would be found to revel in his lust, deceit and many forms of secret sin.
24) The man who spends his time in pulling other people's weeds can have no time to pull his own, and all the choicest flowers of life will soon be choked and die, and nothing will remain but darnel, thistles, burs.
25) And Jesus spoke a parable: he said,
Behold, a farmer had great fields of ripened grain, and when he looked he saw that blades of many stalks of wheat were bent and broken down.
26) And when he sent his reapers forth he said, We will not save the stalks of wheat that have the broken blades.
27) Go forth and cut and burn the stalks with broken blades.
28 ) And after many days he went to measure up his grain, but not a kernel could he find.
29) And then he called the harvesters and said to them, Where is my grain?
30) They answered him and said, We did according to your word; we gathered up and burned the stalks with broken blades, and not a stalk was left to carry to the barn.
31) And Jesus said,
If God saves only those who have no broken blades, who have been perfect in his sight, who will be saved?
32) And the accusers hung their heads in shame; and Jesus went his way.
 
THE Indian sage and Jesus often met and talked about the needs of nations and of men; about the sacred doctrines, forms and rites best suited to the coming age.
2) One day they sat together in a mountain pass, and Jesus said,
The coming age will surely not require priests, and shrines, and sacrifice of life.
3) There is no power in sacrifice of beast, or bird, to help a man to holy life.
4) And Vidyapati said,
All forms and rites are symbols of the things that men must do within the temple of the soul.
5) The Holy One requires man to give his life in willing sacrifice for men, and all the so-called offerings on altars and on shrines that have been made since time began, were made to teach man how to give himself to save his brother man; for man can never save himself except he lose his life in saving other men.
6) The perfect age will not require forms and rites and carnal sacrifice. The coming age is not the perfect age, and men will call for object lessons and symbolic rites.
7) And in the great religion you shall introduce to men, some simple rites of washings and remembrances will be required; but cruel sacrifice of animals, and birds the gods require not.
8 ) And Jesus said,
Our God must loathe the tinseled show of priests and priestly things.
9) When men array themselves in showy garbs to indicate that they are servants of the gods, and strut about like gaudy birds to be admired by men, because of piety or any other thing, the Holy One must surely turn away in sheer disgust.
10) All people are alike the servants of our Father-God, are kings and priests.
11) Will not the coming age demand complete destruction of the priestly caste, as well as every other caste, and inequality among the sons of men?
12) And Vidyapati said,
The coming age is not the age of spirit life and men will pride themselves in wearing priestly robes, and chanting pious chants to advertise themselves as saints.
13) The simple rites that you will introduce will be extolled by those who follow you, until the sacred service of the age will far outshine in gorgeousness the priestly service of the Brahmic age.
14) This is a problem men must solve.
15) The perfect age will come when every man will be a priest and men will not array themselves in special garb to advertise their piety.
 
granted i didn't read much of this thread but there isn't any actual evidence that Jesus said anything. he might have said this:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." - Jesus ;)
 
9) And Jesus stayed in Zoan many days; and then went forth unto the city of the sun, that men call Heliopolis, and sought admission to the temple of the sacred brotherhood.
10) The council of the brotherhood convened, and Jesus stood before the hierophant; he answered all the questions that were asked with clearness and with power.
11) The hierophant exclaimed,
Rabboni of the rabbinate, why come you here? Your wisdom is the wisdom of the gods; why seek for wisdom in the halls of men?
12) And Jesus said,
In every way of earth-life I would walk; in every hall of learning I would sit; the heights that any man has gained, these I would gain;
13) What any man has suffered I would meet, that I may know the griefs, the disappointments and the sore temptations of my brother man; that I may know just how to succor those in need.
14) I pray you, brothers, let me go into your dismal crypts; and I would pass the hardest of your tests.
15) The master said,
Take then the vow of secret brotherhood.
And Jesus took the vow of secret brotherhood.
16) Again the master spoke; he said,
The greatest heights are gained by those who reach the greatest depths; and you shall reach the greatest depths.
17) The guide then led the way and in the fountain Jesus bathed; and when he had been clothed in proper garb he stood again before the hierophant.
6) The master said,
The Logos will give heed to what I say: No man can enter into light till he has found himself. Go forth and search till you have found your soul and then return.
7) The guide led Jesus to a room in which the light was faint and mellow, like the light of early dawn.
8 ) The chamber walls were marked with mystic signs, with hieroglyphs and sacred texts; and in this chamber Jesus found himself alone where he remained for many days.
9) He read the sacred texts; thought out the meaning of the hieroglyphs and sought the import of the master's charge to find himself.
10) A revelation came; he got acquainted with his soul; he found himself; then he was not alone.
 
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