Rampelflik
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20160822 (Monday 22nd of August) First DOC Experience, 4mg.
Subject:
Male, 30 years of age, ~85 Kg. (~187,5 Lb's).
Substance:
Starting dose: 1,5mg DOC.
Final total dose: 4mg DOC (2,5-Dimethoxy-4-chloroamphetamine).
Setting:
At home, mostly in my living room, alone. Feeling fine/good. A bit tired after work.
Report:
18:00 /T + 00:00
I eat ~1,5mg DOC on a fairly empty stomach. Preventively I consume 400 mg's of Ibuprofen to counter the headache I usually/sometimes get when eating phen's. Also it might help against some of the vasoconstriction DOC is known for.
Yesterday I ate 1mg Flunitrazepam and 10mg Diazepam somewhere around 14:00. Some residual effects of those were felt this morning. I hope it doesn't interfere too much with the DOC. Probably not, maybe making it a bit easier to handle if anything.
18:20 / T + 00:20
Onset should be 20 to 90 minutes according to psychonautwiki. Erowid says it can take up to 2 hours and 30 minutes. Nothing as of yet.
18:35 / T + 00:35
Feeling first signs now. Like a cup of coffee. Nothing more. Roll myself a joint containing some tobacco and Afghan hasj. (Did smoke a couple of these during the experience. They had very little to no effect on the trip).
19:00 / T + 01:00
Stimulation has increased a bit. Visually there's nothing going on that isn't out of the ordinary.
19:05 / T + 01:05
First very slight visual effect seen while reading some text on my computer screen. The image below the text slowly and only very slightly shifted a tiny bit.
Body load is present, but nothing extreme.
19:35 / T + 01:35
No obvious change in effects...
20:30 / T + 2:30
If effects have increased, it is barely noticeable, if at all. I decide to up the dosage with 2ml (1mg) for a total of 5ml (2,5mg). It's been a meager "+" sofar.
21:00 / T + 03:00
I guess the second dose should start doing something now.
21:30 / T + 03:30
Meh. Nothing much happening. Effects have increased slightly of course. Drifting/shifting has become a bit more obvious. But not unescapable/unignorable. Should I redose? Let's wait at least another half hour.
22:00 / T + 04:00
Nothing much has changed. I'm going to up the ante one final time. 3ml (1,5mg) for a final total dose of 8ml (4mg).
22:40 / T + 04:40
My perepheral vision is drifting/shifting and flowing nicely. I'm starting to see the potential of this stuff. I wonder if tolerance from the first dose has made successive ones less potent.
Next time, I'll probably just go for the 5mg from the start. No tiptoeing around. Body load has maybe increased a bit but isn't overly annoying. Visuals have picked up a notch too. Nothing earth-shattering. Also no CEV's. Some minor tracers and after images.
23:45 / T + 05:45
I would describe my experience as a mediocre ++. Some muddy CEV's, though nothing pronounced. Some drifting/shifting some tracers some after images but nothing crazy. I don't expect taking 5mg in one go to be a life changing experience. I know better then to expect anyway. We'll see. So far, I feel i could do 5mg without any hiccups. Maybe even some more. But that's a concern for later. And I shouldn't forget limited first test results might be due to quick onset of tolerance after initial dose...
I don't feel very stimulated. There certainly is some stimulation, but very very mellow. No bruxism or
Listening to music that I know thoroughly, I can hear it's a bit altered. Not very noticeable. Just slightly. Not in a annoying or non-pleasing way. Not enhancing either.
03:00 / T + 09:00
Effects have slowly decreased for the past hour at least. Maybe a bit longer. There's still some visuals. But not as obvious as they were.
03:15 / T + 09:15
Eat 10mg diazepam and continue to relax.
04:05 / T + 10:05
Eat 1 mg flunitrazepam and continue to chill.
Watched a tv serie until I fell asleep around 08:30. By that time visuals were gone, except maybe for some very slight negligible effects (maybe a hint of drifting/shifting when staring to one point for a long time). Body load was also reduced to very minimal effects by this point.
Conclusion:
I found this experience to be very enjoyable although maybe a bit underwhelming.
The visuals were very clean. No cluttering from after images. In my subjective opinion, the experience never went above a medium ++ trip. Visuals were limited to some slight tracers, very shortlived afterimages and drifting/shifting of textures on the walls/floors and text on the screen and such. There was no real colour enhancement, no visual acuity enhancement and no pattern recognition enhancement. There was some, although only a tiny bit, of texture repetition, colour shifting and diffraction effects. No scenery slicing. I did not see any transformations, although I do see DOC has the potential to generate these experiences. A lamp was drifting slightly compared to the background, mostly left and right, while the hood of the lamp had a (never fulfilled) inclination to rotate around it's vertical axis. I guess these effects could result in transformations if they were a lot stronger.
There were some auditory effects. Mostly slight distortions that never became to obvious. I didn't find the effects to enhance the experience of music. There were no real auditory hallucinations.
Physically there was a body load. It wasn't too bad and I only had some very minor spontaneous tactile sensations. A bit of stimulation, but never annoying or overwhelming, stimulation wasn't increased that I felt a need to move around, lying on the couch was preferred most of the time. I did experience some tactile enhancement. No nausea. Maybe a bit of vasoconstriction but i didn't really get the shivers or cold feet or anything like that. The ibuprofen might've helped in that regard. Pupils were definitly dilated. I can't comment on blood pressure and such because I don't have the equipment to measure those statistics.
Cognitive effects were minimal. I felt some stimulation but no effects that would compare to MDMA as some people have reported. I was on my own the whole time, so maybe that is the reason these effects did not manifest or become clear to me. Me being alone might have left some effects in the background and not very noticeable, for instance thought acceleration, which wasn't obvious to me. I did experience slight analytic enhancement. I can see this stuff can be very introspective and usefull in this regard. Time distortion was nonexistent. I did not experience an increased libido. No real novelty enhancement. A bit of thought connectivity was perceived. Mentally I felt mostly quite sober during the experience.
Would I do DOC again? Yes. But as previously stated, I'd start with 5mg's. Probably oral administration first. Or maybe via insufflation in the future, after some further oral testing.
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20161012 DOC Trip Report
D and I are at my place. Living room. It's just past midnight when we decide on how much DOC to consume.
D: Male, 25 years, ~70Kg, 2mg DOC.
I: Male, 30 years, ~85Kg, 3mg DOC.
22:20 / T -02:05
I insufflate ~50mg MXE.
~23:00 / T ~ -01:25
It's sometime before or around this time when D arives at my place.
00:25 / T 0
We each consume our dose orally, D consumes 2mg and I drink 3mg DOC, mixed in with some softdrink.
D Had a smal line of ketamine a short while back and a big meal around 19:00 last evening. I had my dinner late and was half way through it around 23:00 hours.
00:43 / T +00:18
I snort 25mg methoxetamine.
01:10 / T +00:45
D has a stomach ache. But that started before he ate the DOC.
I'm feeling very trippy/spacey. Might be the MXE. MIght be the DOC? Who knows. (20161014: In hindsight, def. the DOC doing it's thing.)
D says he has a stoned feeling that doesn't originate from the joint he rolled a while back and has been smoking since. The words on screen shift a bit. Seems like normal MXE effeects, right? (20161014: Maybe, but probably the DOC(tor's in!))
01:30 / T +01:05
I feel quite trippy. Visuals are flowing and shifting in nature but very gentle. This is a gentle + experience. I'm a bit cold. I shiver sometimes. D says he's in a good mood, enhanced by the drug. My hands are sweaty. I'm feeling fine.
02:00 / T +01:35
A mild ++ I'm thinking of dosing more.
02:10 / T +01:45 (+0,5mg DOC for me)
I measure 1ml (0,5mg) DOC and ingest it.
03:20 / T +02:55 (+0,5mg DOC for me)
We took a short walk outside. There was one interesting vista. I think daylightg would be better. We'll try again later. (20161014: We didn't try again later). The extra dose certainly had an effect. +++ (20161014: A mild +++, and I'm very curious as to what lies beyond.)
I drink an additional millimeter of the solution. Ingesting another 0,5mg DOC to bring the total amount up to 4mg.
3:35 / T +03:10 (+0,5mg DOC for D)
D wants, and gets, some more now too. 1ml (0,5mg).
The Joint we have, the one D rolled when starting this adventure, is lasting a long time. We both do not feel an urge to smoke. We force ourselves to light the joint and try it. Laughing! Somehow the urge to smoke, for me at least, has been greatly diminished.
04:00 / T +03:35
I get the shivers. a blanket helps.
I'm trying to describe the visual aspects and lauging because I'm failing horribly . This stuff is def. very psychedelic (for me). (20161014: Around this time we were crying with laughter about a play on words that is impossible to translate to English.)
9:00 / T +08:35
D's been sleeping for an hour or so, maybe longer. I'm still up. Very tired. Some very very very minor visual effects remain. Bruxia is present. Pupils are still large.
12:30 / T +12:05 (+10mg diazepam +4mg nifoxipam for me)
I eat 10mg diazepam and 4mg nifoxipam. Might take a nap soon. Visual effects are gone. Some bruxism remains. I've been to lazy to get up and check pupils for dilation.
D woke up half an hour ago and has gone home.
Final remarks:
Starting at 3mg's was ok. Re-dosing seemed to enhance effects. Effects were pretty nice but only seemed to hint to what this stuff is really capable off, visually I mean. Next time I'll start higher.Straight to 4mg. Maybe even 4,5. (20160114: Probably 4 with some redosing to 4,5/5mg.) I would be very interested to see what 5mg's would bring. But al in due time.
I found it to be a very clean psychedelic head space. With associated impairment in cognitive function as well as enhancing cognition in some aspects. It didn't have the kind of "sharp edges" to it as LSD can have for me. I've always found LSD to be very unpredictable in nature. DOC seems te be a bit more easy on the mind while still presenting you with a full blown psychedelic experience. Why do I mention LSD? Somehow DOC is more similar to it then any other non-lysergic's I've tried.
Am I right in predicting higher doses might bring about some unadulterated morphing and melting of objects? I can clearly see the potential for this to happen.
(20161014: As a side note. I've been having a bit of a foul mood lately. This is probably due to sleep deprivation which has it's cause in something altogether non-related. D reported a wonderful afterglow yesterday (20161013 (13th of October 2016)).
Tagged by Xorkoth
substancecode_doc
substancecode_amphetamines
substancecode_phenethylamines
explevel_firsttime
exptype_positive
exptype_bodyload
roacode_oral
Subject:
Male, 30 years of age, ~85 Kg. (~187,5 Lb's).
Substance:
Starting dose: 1,5mg DOC.
Final total dose: 4mg DOC (2,5-Dimethoxy-4-chloroamphetamine).
Setting:
At home, mostly in my living room, alone. Feeling fine/good. A bit tired after work.
Report:
18:00 /T + 00:00
I eat ~1,5mg DOC on a fairly empty stomach. Preventively I consume 400 mg's of Ibuprofen to counter the headache I usually/sometimes get when eating phen's. Also it might help against some of the vasoconstriction DOC is known for.
Yesterday I ate 1mg Flunitrazepam and 10mg Diazepam somewhere around 14:00. Some residual effects of those were felt this morning. I hope it doesn't interfere too much with the DOC. Probably not, maybe making it a bit easier to handle if anything.
18:20 / T + 00:20
Onset should be 20 to 90 minutes according to psychonautwiki. Erowid says it can take up to 2 hours and 30 minutes. Nothing as of yet.
18:35 / T + 00:35
Feeling first signs now. Like a cup of coffee. Nothing more. Roll myself a joint containing some tobacco and Afghan hasj. (Did smoke a couple of these during the experience. They had very little to no effect on the trip).
19:00 / T + 01:00
Stimulation has increased a bit. Visually there's nothing going on that isn't out of the ordinary.
19:05 / T + 01:05
First very slight visual effect seen while reading some text on my computer screen. The image below the text slowly and only very slightly shifted a tiny bit.
Body load is present, but nothing extreme.
19:35 / T + 01:35
No obvious change in effects...
20:30 / T + 2:30
If effects have increased, it is barely noticeable, if at all. I decide to up the dosage with 2ml (1mg) for a total of 5ml (2,5mg). It's been a meager "+" sofar.
21:00 / T + 03:00
I guess the second dose should start doing something now.
21:30 / T + 03:30
Meh. Nothing much happening. Effects have increased slightly of course. Drifting/shifting has become a bit more obvious. But not unescapable/unignorable. Should I redose? Let's wait at least another half hour.
22:00 / T + 04:00
Nothing much has changed. I'm going to up the ante one final time. 3ml (1,5mg) for a final total dose of 8ml (4mg).
22:40 / T + 04:40
My perepheral vision is drifting/shifting and flowing nicely. I'm starting to see the potential of this stuff. I wonder if tolerance from the first dose has made successive ones less potent.
Next time, I'll probably just go for the 5mg from the start. No tiptoeing around. Body load has maybe increased a bit but isn't overly annoying. Visuals have picked up a notch too. Nothing earth-shattering. Also no CEV's. Some minor tracers and after images.
23:45 / T + 05:45
I would describe my experience as a mediocre ++. Some muddy CEV's, though nothing pronounced. Some drifting/shifting some tracers some after images but nothing crazy. I don't expect taking 5mg in one go to be a life changing experience. I know better then to expect anyway. We'll see. So far, I feel i could do 5mg without any hiccups. Maybe even some more. But that's a concern for later. And I shouldn't forget limited first test results might be due to quick onset of tolerance after initial dose...
I don't feel very stimulated. There certainly is some stimulation, but very very mellow. No bruxism or
Listening to music that I know thoroughly, I can hear it's a bit altered. Not very noticeable. Just slightly. Not in a annoying or non-pleasing way. Not enhancing either.
03:00 / T + 09:00
Effects have slowly decreased for the past hour at least. Maybe a bit longer. There's still some visuals. But not as obvious as they were.
03:15 / T + 09:15
Eat 10mg diazepam and continue to relax.
04:05 / T + 10:05
Eat 1 mg flunitrazepam and continue to chill.
Watched a tv serie until I fell asleep around 08:30. By that time visuals were gone, except maybe for some very slight negligible effects (maybe a hint of drifting/shifting when staring to one point for a long time). Body load was also reduced to very minimal effects by this point.
Conclusion:
I found this experience to be very enjoyable although maybe a bit underwhelming.
The visuals were very clean. No cluttering from after images. In my subjective opinion, the experience never went above a medium ++ trip. Visuals were limited to some slight tracers, very shortlived afterimages and drifting/shifting of textures on the walls/floors and text on the screen and such. There was no real colour enhancement, no visual acuity enhancement and no pattern recognition enhancement. There was some, although only a tiny bit, of texture repetition, colour shifting and diffraction effects. No scenery slicing. I did not see any transformations, although I do see DOC has the potential to generate these experiences. A lamp was drifting slightly compared to the background, mostly left and right, while the hood of the lamp had a (never fulfilled) inclination to rotate around it's vertical axis. I guess these effects could result in transformations if they were a lot stronger.
There were some auditory effects. Mostly slight distortions that never became to obvious. I didn't find the effects to enhance the experience of music. There were no real auditory hallucinations.
Physically there was a body load. It wasn't too bad and I only had some very minor spontaneous tactile sensations. A bit of stimulation, but never annoying or overwhelming, stimulation wasn't increased that I felt a need to move around, lying on the couch was preferred most of the time. I did experience some tactile enhancement. No nausea. Maybe a bit of vasoconstriction but i didn't really get the shivers or cold feet or anything like that. The ibuprofen might've helped in that regard. Pupils were definitly dilated. I can't comment on blood pressure and such because I don't have the equipment to measure those statistics.
Cognitive effects were minimal. I felt some stimulation but no effects that would compare to MDMA as some people have reported. I was on my own the whole time, so maybe that is the reason these effects did not manifest or become clear to me. Me being alone might have left some effects in the background and not very noticeable, for instance thought acceleration, which wasn't obvious to me. I did experience slight analytic enhancement. I can see this stuff can be very introspective and usefull in this regard. Time distortion was nonexistent. I did not experience an increased libido. No real novelty enhancement. A bit of thought connectivity was perceived. Mentally I felt mostly quite sober during the experience.
Would I do DOC again? Yes. But as previously stated, I'd start with 5mg's. Probably oral administration first. Or maybe via insufflation in the future, after some further oral testing.
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20161012 DOC Trip Report
D and I are at my place. Living room. It's just past midnight when we decide on how much DOC to consume.
D: Male, 25 years, ~70Kg, 2mg DOC.
I: Male, 30 years, ~85Kg, 3mg DOC.
22:20 / T -02:05
I insufflate ~50mg MXE.
~23:00 / T ~ -01:25
It's sometime before or around this time when D arives at my place.
00:25 / T 0
We each consume our dose orally, D consumes 2mg and I drink 3mg DOC, mixed in with some softdrink.
D Had a smal line of ketamine a short while back and a big meal around 19:00 last evening. I had my dinner late and was half way through it around 23:00 hours.
00:43 / T +00:18
I snort 25mg methoxetamine.
01:10 / T +00:45
D has a stomach ache. But that started before he ate the DOC.
I'm feeling very trippy/spacey. Might be the MXE. MIght be the DOC? Who knows. (20161014: In hindsight, def. the DOC doing it's thing.)
D says he has a stoned feeling that doesn't originate from the joint he rolled a while back and has been smoking since. The words on screen shift a bit. Seems like normal MXE effeects, right? (20161014: Maybe, but probably the DOC(tor's in!))
01:30 / T +01:05
I feel quite trippy. Visuals are flowing and shifting in nature but very gentle. This is a gentle + experience. I'm a bit cold. I shiver sometimes. D says he's in a good mood, enhanced by the drug. My hands are sweaty. I'm feeling fine.
02:00 / T +01:35
A mild ++ I'm thinking of dosing more.
02:10 / T +01:45 (+0,5mg DOC for me)
I measure 1ml (0,5mg) DOC and ingest it.
03:20 / T +02:55 (+0,5mg DOC for me)
We took a short walk outside. There was one interesting vista. I think daylightg would be better. We'll try again later. (20161014: We didn't try again later). The extra dose certainly had an effect. +++ (20161014: A mild +++, and I'm very curious as to what lies beyond.)
I drink an additional millimeter of the solution. Ingesting another 0,5mg DOC to bring the total amount up to 4mg.
3:35 / T +03:10 (+0,5mg DOC for D)
D wants, and gets, some more now too. 1ml (0,5mg).
The Joint we have, the one D rolled when starting this adventure, is lasting a long time. We both do not feel an urge to smoke. We force ourselves to light the joint and try it. Laughing! Somehow the urge to smoke, for me at least, has been greatly diminished.
04:00 / T +03:35
I get the shivers. a blanket helps.
I'm trying to describe the visual aspects and lauging because I'm failing horribly . This stuff is def. very psychedelic (for me). (20161014: Around this time we were crying with laughter about a play on words that is impossible to translate to English.)
9:00 / T +08:35
D's been sleeping for an hour or so, maybe longer. I'm still up. Very tired. Some very very very minor visual effects remain. Bruxia is present. Pupils are still large.
12:30 / T +12:05 (+10mg diazepam +4mg nifoxipam for me)
I eat 10mg diazepam and 4mg nifoxipam. Might take a nap soon. Visual effects are gone. Some bruxism remains. I've been to lazy to get up and check pupils for dilation.
D woke up half an hour ago and has gone home.
Final remarks:
Starting at 3mg's was ok. Re-dosing seemed to enhance effects. Effects were pretty nice but only seemed to hint to what this stuff is really capable off, visually I mean. Next time I'll start higher.Straight to 4mg. Maybe even 4,5. (20160114: Probably 4 with some redosing to 4,5/5mg.) I would be very interested to see what 5mg's would bring. But al in due time.
I found it to be a very clean psychedelic head space. With associated impairment in cognitive function as well as enhancing cognition in some aspects. It didn't have the kind of "sharp edges" to it as LSD can have for me. I've always found LSD to be very unpredictable in nature. DOC seems te be a bit more easy on the mind while still presenting you with a full blown psychedelic experience. Why do I mention LSD? Somehow DOC is more similar to it then any other non-lysergic's I've tried.
Am I right in predicting higher doses might bring about some unadulterated morphing and melting of objects? I can clearly see the potential for this to happen.
(20161014: As a side note. I've been having a bit of a foul mood lately. This is probably due to sleep deprivation which has it's cause in something altogether non-related. D reported a wonderful afterglow yesterday (20161013 (13th of October 2016)).
Tagged by Xorkoth
substancecode_doc
substancecode_amphetamines
substancecode_phenethylamines
explevel_firsttime
exptype_positive
exptype_bodyload
roacode_oral
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