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EADD-Heroin-Discussion-v-XXIII-New shit - same old problems

I have also a big interest in science and as it happens study chemistry in germany.So far 90% of lab work we have done were lame as fuck and everything thats in some ways interesting is considered to be too dangerous.
They even dont let us handle more than 20 % NaOh because there some dumbfucks that managed to damage theirself even with that,really most of the students i study with are incompetent to a degree where they are a danger for others and theirselfs and because of hat the others are limited in what they are allowed to do.
I would love to make Dipropanoylmorphine like you did,Limpet Chicken,as i have piles of morphine sulphate,because i get prescribed 500 mg morphine a day.Have about 20-30 grams morphine that i could use to attempt forming some morphine analogues,maybe you could give me some insight whether this is enough and how i could attempt this process,with much less lab ware than you have.On paper it doesnt sound very hard to do that tho
 
That's a really dangerous thing to do to add heat to already colaguating blood in the syringe as the proteins will degrade and form a very nasty hepotoxin....possibly leading to blood poisoning. I get where your combining from though as if you're rattling badly, the last thing you would want to do would be bin it....plugging the contents would be a far safer option.

On another heroin related note it would seem the carfentanil laced gear has died a death (litterally). The big problem at present seems to be Xanax thats causing people to go over when mixed with gear.
Yeah because of big dealers who ordered kilos of alprazolam powder for cheap and press heir own counterfeit xanax bars and sell them relatively cheap(but they still have a huuuge profit margin).Often those bars are double dosed(4mg) which for a low tolerant user is a huge dose and a dose thats enough to be fatal when mixed with your typical dose of heroin
 
Well my chemistry education is a bit atypical to say the least. Went to two secondary schools, one of them didn't teach science at all, at least nothing anybody could ever learn from and the second, that was better (classic autism, aspie spesh schools respectively) but still didn't have great equipment, and my teacher didn't even know how to get a thermite reaction going properly)

Pretty much all the theory I know is from reading books and reading online, and almost all the practical, aside from things like throwing alkali metals in water, dissolving magnesium or calcium metal in acid, tests for CO2, O2 and hydrogen in test tubes with lit or smouldering wooden splints...

Buggers didn't have much more than test tubes. I never even saw a round bottom flask, let alone a hotplate with magnetic stirring, or a rotavap. Only thing they had that I want, is a fume hood (for the kind of things that need one I work outside, wearing protective gear, at least until I can get to building a fume hood for the indoor lab). So I pretty much taught myself 98% of what I know; starting with botany and mycology, when I was old enough to teach myself to read ( age 4, or so I'm told), since that didn't need me to have a bank card to go and buy glassware etc, and I could do simple things like extract the amavadine from fly agaric mushrooms (I didn't KNOW what it was at the time, I just knew as much as 'has to be some kind of transition metal complex without knowing which transition metal; I'd assumed cobalt or perhaps a copper complex, although money was on the former, I didn't have any knowledge of organovanadium chemistry at that age, and unfortunately, was unable to isolate sufficient of the material to decompose it and look at the flame spectrum, etc. [Amanita muscaria is a hyperaccumulator species, in this case for the element vanadium, forms a complex called amavadine, a rather unusual biomolecule containing an octacoordinate vanadium (IV) atom, bound by a pair of ligands which themselves form a cyclic structure, each coordinating to the central V atom via 3 oxygen and a nitrogen atom, likely functioning as a bromoperoxidase) and render it in its cationic state, wherein it becomes a deep, deep vivid blue, which has a really quite attractive color.

And between that, and the huge range of natural products plants and fungi produce, from medicines, to poisons, to the just plain odd (such as say, ascaridole, found in the Epazote plant, and in Boldo, which to the best of my knowledge are the only organic peroxides found in nature, I found it rather fascinating that such an unstable sort of compound as an organoperoxide would ever exist in a natural source, and indeed the essential oil of epazote, contains a quite variable (around 15% to a staggering 70%) amount of it (structurally its a derivative of alpha-terpinene, lacking one of the double bonds in the cyclic ring, and the second one being rearranged axially to a peroxide bridge between the two alkyl sidechains on the ring, which are oriented -para to each other, the peroxide bridge oriented out of the plane of the ring, in line with the methyl and 1-methylethyl group). Used in small amounts (although its toxic) in some cooking, (the leaves, not the essential oil) as a flavouring, the pure compound itself being, unsurprisingly for an organoperoxide, explosive. And whilst I'm not sure, it wouldn't surprise me much if essential oil containing the maximum levels of the stuff was too...at any rate I'd certainly not put it in one of those essential oil vaporizer lamps=D)

And the things plants, fungi, etc. can do in such mild conditions with enzymes, and the way they can perform stereochemically selective biosynthesis of things so complex that we took many years to so much as determine the structure at all, let alone perform the synthesis of, such as say, the marine polyethers palytoxin and maitotoxin always got me fascinated, being nothing short of absolutely staggering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascaridole

hahaha why not add a little twist to your meal,light explosions in your mouth,literally,with each bite
 
Just reading that fent cut gear has led to a pile of od's in Melb. We have been immune to this shit as Oz has always had good quality #4 SEA smack. No need to be adding anything to that. Makes no sense to me. Draws attention from the heat, kills your customers. For a few extra bucks? Most of the crims here who control that shit have always had agreements with the cops about what is sold...or so i am told to believe. Non user here. I will stick to my Oxynorm caps.
 
"Non user here"oxycodone is just as bad as diamorphine is,slightly different effect profile both very strong opiates
Nothing to brag about
 
"Non user here"oxycodone is just as bad as diamorphine is,slightly different effect profile both very strong opiates
Nothing to brag about

I understand your point Neithman, but it's horses for courses. It would be nice if I had access to strong oral poppies aside from my methadone, but I do not. My choices are reasonably decent brown heroin, which is well on its way to completely poisoning my body and soul, or tamper - proof ER MST capsules, which would be fantastic if I did not have a habit (the same goes for the methadone). I am jealous for not being able to have convenient oral poppies which kick ass, but if I perceive Consumer's statement of fact as bragging then, in my case, its because I personally cannot boast about my own position. In recent months I've made every effort not to discuss my drug use in any detail as it is just embarrassing - I'm so bastard miserable and feel so poorly much of the time that I've turned into a moaning old goat as regardless of how let down I feel it was my actions that ended up leaving me chained to a methadone prescription while everyone around me either fucked me off or just plain fucked off.

It's not bragging bud, this is the heroin thread and it's only appropriate that Consumer identifies himself as a non - dependent person as every body else who has posted on this page has or has at some point had a dependency on strong poppies. His posts and self reports over the years suggests strongly that he knows where the line is and how to temper his use and if he ever becomes addicted then he can eat his words if and when.

If I had access to Oxycodone prior to becoming a bag head it is highly unlikely that anything would now be different, as I would still have been stupid enough to end up with a heroin habit. Most of those poor fucks in the USA who were drawn into heroin use after becoming victim of the ludicrous overprescribing and school - yard availability of oxycodone are just dregs now like me - it is unlikely that they would be motivated to stop poking themselves with needles and go back to oxycodone even if it was affordable on the black market.
 
Am I the only one who finds oxycodone distinctly unsatisfying? I have a prescription, alongside morphine (and yes, the amount you have, is indeed sufficient to experiment on, I'll try remember to dig up some papers for you as soon as I can on acylations and other such)

Been saving my own rx morphine myself until I've a good 10-20g to play with, by siphoning a little pile of beads from my zomorph capsules, every time I prep a shot, I save a few of the beads, both slowly reducing my own individual doses and building up a wee store of stuff to play with. I really want to try desomorphine myself. Not some nasty krokodil shit, though but some made by a clean catalytic hydrogenation type reduction in the last step rather than the ugly russian peasant style red phos/I2 monstrosity. And desocodeine, too, which might be interesting, a longer lasting orally active prodrug of desomorphine perhaps, if not so potent, and of course without any injection rush. Still sounds interesting enough to try and have a go, in principle.
 
I understand that chopping off the O-methyl of codeine can be quite messy but have you ever considered what methanesulfonic acid / DL methionine might be able to do for the Oxycodone?
 
Am I the only one who finds oxycodone distinctly unsatisfying? I have a prescription, alongside morphine (and yes, the amount you have, is indeed sufficient to experiment on, I'll try remember to dig up some papers for you as soon as I can on acylations and other such)

Been saving my own rx morphine myself until I've a good 10-20g to play with, by siphoning a little pile of beads from my zomorph capsules, every time I prep a shot, I save a few of the beads, both slowly reducing my own individual doses and building up a wee store of stuff to play with. I really want to try desomorphine myself. Not some nasty krokodil shit, though but some made by a clean catalytic hydrogenation type reduction in the last step rather than the ugly russian peasant style red phos/I2 monstrosity. And desocodeine, too, which might be interesting, a longer lasting orally active prodrug of desomorphine perhaps, if not so potent, and of course without any injection rush. Still sounds interesting enough to try and have a go, in principle.

when you prepare the zomoroh do you simply crush the beads into a powder, add water....shake and filter? Does that actually extract most of the morphine from them or is it more complicated then that? Not interested in trying but I used to get those zomophs and if in agony I would crush the beads into a powder and swallow to try to make IR morphine. Just wondered if you simply added water (not boiling) and the morphine then dissolved out of the crushed beads
 
Am I the only one who finds oxycodone distinctly unsatisfying? I have a prescription, alongside morphine (and yes, the amount you have, is indeed sufficient to experiment on, I'll try remember to dig up some papers for you as soon as I can on acylations and other such)

Been saving my own rx morphine myself until I've a good 10-20g to play with, by siphoning a little pile of beads from my zomorph capsules, every time I prep a shot, I save a few of the beads, both slowly reducing my own individual doses and building up a wee store of stuff to play with. I really want to try desomorphine myself. Not some nasty krokodil shit, though but some made by a clean catalytic hydrogenation type reduction in the last step rather than the ugly russian peasant style red phos/I2 monstrosity. And desocodeine, too, which might be interesting, a longer lasting orally active prodrug of desomorphine perhaps, if not so potent, and of course without any injection rush. Still sounds interesting enough to try and have a go, in principle.
i like oxycodone because of its high oral bioavailabillity as i dont shoot and oral morphine is quite a waste but dosed high enough i like it much more than oxycodone,because i like the content dreamy sedating type of high morphine provides,oxy feels more rushy and not as "organic" is this makes sense,but nonetheless oxy is pretty good and much better than hydrocodone,tillidine,buprenorphine,methadone,pethidin,tramadol(this shit isnt even a opiate in my opinion very weird high,makes you tweaked out )


How is the yield making desomorphin in an advanced method from starting with morphine?Desomorphin also sounds very interesting to me because of its high potency (8-10 times morphine if wikipedia is to be believed) only thing that puts me off is the short duration and the strong crash ive read from a report on desomorphine
Ive read alot on dipropioylmorphine in your posts and it seems like a winner because of the very long duration,the thing is i dont shoot,whats the likelihood that is has high intranasal bioavailabillity?Also how much more potent it is by weigh compared to morphine?2-3 times?

Would be nice of you if you could sent me how to make the dipropinoylmorphine
Dihydromorphine is also very nice and i like DHC alot,because its long duration,less histamine release and slightly stimulating properties
Also a dream of mine ould be huge stash of etonitazene,taking 8 mg instead of 500 mg oral morphine sounds very nice to me its also regarded as being very recreational,imagine having 100 grams of this with 30 mg a day which is quite generous this would last you good 10 years
 
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Anyone had any of this so-called proper Heroin?

I've had it a few times over the last couple of years and just picked up a score bag. It is decent but it is quite nippy on the throat. I get my foil from the chemist, my chemists do safety foil as well as other equipment and with this 'Proper' I can only smoke half a line at a time. The strong stuff from the mid 1990s that would have you puking within 2 lines if you had no tolerance never hurt your throat like this stuff.

It beats the shit out of that light crap that's making the rounds again "it's just light because of how it's cut, it's still good n strong". LOL, no. There is no such thing as good light Kit in the UK any more. At least not round here there isn't.
 
All the pukka gear from the asian teams in east london is always pale/light powder and a good 8/10.
 
Been saving up my rx morphine, slowly, so something better can eventually come of it, once I've a few grams of disposable morph. Decided to fuck street gear off, or rat her, not bother making anymore contacts for it, after the last lot all dropped off the face of the earth remarkably soon after some super-potent opioid-laced gear turned up. Don't trust street stuff as far as I could fire a constipated shit whilst stood upon the surface of a neutron star. I decided I need to know exactly where its been from start to finish, or it isn't getting used.
 
When I take Pregabalin 450mg is my happy dose.

A friend of mine just gave me a 10 sheet of Gabapentin 300mg. I've never taken Gabapentin before. Anyone familiar with both know how much Gabbie would be needed for a nice dunt with out taking too much? Was thinking maybe 900mg.
 
Have tried both, and got shit all in the way of recreational potential from either. Although IIRC there is a rate-limit on absorption via the stomach with gabapentin, so its likely that there would be more potential for effect if the doses are staggered. Obviously at least 900mg-1g or so must be able to be uptaken if its prescribed in such doses (although that is being a bit optimistic about doctors and their prescribing habits). Perhaps my being on chlormethiazole might have something to do with not feeling anything from gabapentin, I've got gabapentin on rx, as well as the chlormethiazole and I just end up not using it more than once in a blue moon, when my neuropathic pain can't be dealt with with opioids (its not the only pain issue, but it isn't as bad as the trochanteric bursitis thats fucked up both my hips, and the old but still nasty as hell knee joint and tendon injury, mostly get dealt with as best I can atm, although I'm still due to see a pain clinic specialist, with opioids, which also help with the pain and to a degree the photosensitivity that I've been left with after some fucking donut-scarfing piece of dog waste tampered with something in my lab, resulting in a serious corrosive and thermal burn to my eye, nearly blinding me)

But even then, the gabapentin is still pretty crap IMO. But, as I said, it might be due, seeing as I often see people comparing gabapentinoids to GABAergics, although they activate a type of voltage-gated calcium channel, rather than bind GABA receptors. to the chlormethiazole, and perhaps by my using about 70mg nitrazepam a week (not daily, usually just for 2 days out of a week, since I don't want a GABAergic dependency any more than the next cunt out there), and I've been taking the chlormethiazole since at least as long as I've been taking the gabapentin (or rather, am prescribed the gabapentin and end up tossing the unopened boxes into the crate my rotavap came in, condemned to sit there and rot, fucking useless stuff in my experience.

Pregabalin was a bit better, but not much.


And what the fuck is safety foil? I can't remember the last time I got mugged in a dark alley by a roll of foil :p
 
safety foil? non stick foil. it's shit. youdon't get smoke off the gear off of it. ha ha, still battling the gear here, well off it a few days and gonna carry on into 2018 and beyond. does my head in that winter 2010 was a great opportunity threw away, so im back here for inspiration coz gearless tho it was it was a joyous and happy time bar the shit going on at work. thankfully have retired now and the world is my oyster now.
 
Anyone who learned organic chemistry in a particular, specific timeframe, while the IUPAC were still pushing hard for the "new" names and expecting the old ones to die out very soon; who hasn't had much practical experience, and therefore opportunity to encounter "old" names still in use, in the meantime; and who still broadly supports the original aim of the revolution even although it didn't seem to happen completely :p Also, people whose first language is not English, but one which has "old" chemical names that are different from the English ones.

love science, love julie
 
Decided, for an xmas treat, going to do my best to get enough desomorphine to give it a proper try. Whilst there aren't very many of them (I'm ignoring any that come in the context of 'krokodil', since having my flesh rot off my bones due to shooting up dirty, solvent-laden, iodine [and worse] contaminated slop that you wouldn't even give to a third world country's healthcare system, well, its not exactly my idea of a christmas gift to love, enjoy and treasure, don't know about the rest of you but the rotting corpse zombie look doesn't really go with my style of attire, and I need my arms and hands to go about the practice of my art=D)

The reports of actual desomorphine on the other hand make it sound like a helluva blast. I really want to try a desomorphine/memantine combination too. If my experience with 6-monoacetyldihydromorphine mixed with memantine in the same shot was anything to go by, and what I've read about clean desomorphine, thats going to be one of the ultimate opioid hits, with the added NMDA receptor blockade..something special. (and BJ, just try pronouncing 'six-monoethanoyldihydromorphine'...it doesn't roll off the tongue half as nicely as it rolls on into a vein=D...not having a go, just teasing)

As for linguistic differences, I get that. Although I've always had a soft spot for 'lysergsaure' for some reason.
 
And oops, pinkpapaver, I was reading 'safety foil' as something like an alternative to aluminium foil, sold as HR paraphenalia by progressive pharmacies to avoid any potential for aluminium being neurotoxic in the longterm, like drug outreach places hand out free works, filters, citric acid for those who use it and sterile water amps, sterile cooking pans with the little fold-down stabilizing leg thingy, etc. I see I was a little naive in that respect...ooops.

Should have figured, given the general cuntishness of one's average pharmacist. One shouldn't have to send away a pharmacist with a Y-pestis-infested flea up their ass to complement the one in their ear for asking a REASON for wanting things like citric acid, acetone, sodium hydrogencarbonate, MgSO4. I mean I can at least understand the reason they might ask why one wants say, crappy polymeric glorp-free liquid pseudoephedrine, but it isn't theirs to fucking question me when I need the other mentioned items at times. I go in, and place the order for my requirement, I don't fucking ask PERMISSION; jesus fucking christ.

I could cheerfully boil them for the sheer cheek. Can't stand nosy little shits like that.
 
and BJ, just try pronouncing 'six-monoethanoyldihydromorphine'...it doesn't roll off the tongue half as nicely as it rolls on into a vein=D...not having a go, just teasing
Er -- that stuff with the 6 in it?

You can just call me Julie, by the way.
As for linguistic differences, I get that. Although I've always had a soft spot for 'lysergsaure' for some reason.
Mmm, yes, German ..... You can whisper that in my ear all night long .....
 
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