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I wanted to watch Snowfall but was turned off by all the bad reviews. So you would recommend it then?

Absolutely.

Television critics as a whole are pretty good (as opposed to film critics who are often overly mainstream to the point of lacking any nuance at all, and video game critics whose "reviews" are essentially disguised commercials they write on behalf of the video game developers who pay them), and I am continuously amazed at how often I decide to read a review and find that myself and the critics agree with one another to the letter. They often add some top rate literary analysis, as well, displaying real thought and legitimate qualifications for the positions they are in, and helping me to understand what I am watching with greater depth than I had before I read their review or article.

However, I think they are wrong on Snowfall. While I agree that it oftentimes could benefit from an increase in focus, with the multiple plotlines being a little distant or disjointed, and there is some roughness around the edges I can't quite put my finger on well enough to express, I highly disagree about the degree to which these degrade the quality of the show. They feel it brings it down to a 60/100; I feel it brings it down to at worst an 80/100, with massive potential for growth as it moves along and smooths out these rough edges.

I think you also can't rule out the puritanical views and bias of some individuals with regard to drug use and distribution; they see the use and sale of drugs as inherently morally wrong, and as such, have trouble relating to the characters, whose decisions to enter the drug trade do not come about as a result of the extreme, sympathetic desperation of a Walter White, or the economic and institutional destitution faced by characters on The Wire. Moreover, a few of them may even feel so strongly about anti-drugginess that they have an agenda to bring down any show that may display drug users and/or dealers as sympathetic. I think this group only represents a tiny minority, but even a tiny minority can be enough to bring down it's Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic score from a low 70 to a high 60, which has a significant impact on its viewership.

Personally, I think the show is already pretty good, and will only get better with time. They are playing the long game with regards to plot and character development, and as such gratification will take longer to find. Would definitely recommend it.

Speaking of myself and the critics agreeing with one another, we are both in agreement that The Americans is unanimously the greatest show currently on TV. I cannot recommend it enough. It's like Breaking Bad, but even more emotionally visceral and heartbreaking (earning the nickname "Breaking Sad" by some), to the point where events in the show have set off literal trigger warnings for people. Not by displaying some brutal rape or graphic violence, but by subtly conveying the toll espionage, secrets, and manipulation can place on human lives and a person's soul. This is believed to play a part in the low ratings it receives - the emotions are so real, some people just can't handle them. This isn't to say that it beats you over the head with (or even deploys) cry porny sadness - there is plenty of levity and suspense and action along the way, and people rather enjoy cry porn anyways - just that when tragedy does occur, it occurs in such a way as to leave the viewer with a sense of the same existential despair and dread the characters themselves must feel. Which I think is a much more difficult and thought provoking type of sadness to come across; one that people aren't as comfortable or familiar with, that exists beneath the surface of our everyday lives, and that they are reluctant to have to confront.

The male lead, Mathew Rhys, puts on one of the greatest acting performances I have ever seen, week after week after week. The female lead, Keri Russell, is just as excellent. As is every single member of the supporting cast. And the guests. They even manage to make the teenage daughter both likeable and interesting, which is either an extreme rarity or the first of its kind for a premium drama, both with teenage girls (teenagers in general, really) being almost unanimously unlikable IRL, and women in general being written poorly in television up until quite recently.

I literally cannot talk about or recommend The Americans, if you haven't seen it already. It's elite tier quality combined with its near record setting low viewership leave me with a sense of obligation to promote the show whenever I get the chance. I enjoyed it when popular culture and literary merit intersected, at seasons 4 of both Breaking Bad and The Wire, and am saddened to see that it didn't occur with the likes of The Americans or The Leftovers. Instead, people watch the objectively terrible The Walking Dead, or overhype the very good but not quite great work put in by Game of Thrones, which I don't have a particular problem with other than the hordes of people who claim it is the greatest of all time or in the class of Breaking Bad and The Wire. Meanwhile, The Americans absolutely is. One of the top 3-6 greatest shows of all time.
 
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Yeah Oz was the shit. Kinda went downhill toward the end though.

More than mitigated that it was the first of its kind; the first truly premium show on TV, kicking off a generation that took us from The Sopranos to Mad Men to The Wire and Breaking Bad, to today, with over dozen extremely high quality dramas and comedies currently retained by networks at any given time. The Sopranos gets all the credit for this, and it deserves some, but Oz was there first (before you say it, I would argue that the original Twin Peaks was more a precursor to premium television than premium television itself. It was definitely premium at times, but at many, many others it was far from it).

Also, I would argue that while many of the subplots in Oz did go way off the deep end starting in season 4b, the show did a very good job of maintaining and concluding many of its longstanding plotlines. There was simply more bullshit to deal with around them.

Incidentally, you should read old Oz reviews if you want to see just how much perspectives on television, and fiction in general, have changes. It was literally criticized, repeatedly, for having an ensemble cast and lacking a main character. Critics deducted points from their reviews for this.
 
Wow...I feel like I definitely need to watch it now. Breaking Bad, the Leftovers, the Wire, and the Americans are all favorites of mine. I need to catch up on the Americans though. I also hate the Walking Dead (except the first season). Took me 4 or 5 seasons to finally quit hate watching it, but I finally did.

I watched the first episode of Westworld and liked it, but I'm not 100% hooked yet. Watched the first episode of Handmaid's Tale and my first impression was that it's not for me. Seems like a dumbed down version of Man in the High Tower with some Scarlet Letter and Children of Men mixed in, except not as good as any of those things. Maybe I'll watch the second episode just to make sure, but I feel like it's a decent show that is overrated because of its timely political stances.

I'm honestly excited though because I had given up on the idea of Snowfall being a thing, but now I'm going to find it and I'll let you know what I think.
 
Wow...I feel like I definitely need to watch it now. Breaking Bad, the Leftovers, the Wire, and the Americans are all favorites of mine. I need to catch up on the Americans though. I also hate the Walking Dead (except the first season). Took me 4 or 5 seasons to finally quit hate watching it, but I finally did.

I watched the first episode of Westworld and liked it, but I'm not 100% hooked yet. Watched the first episode of Handmaid's Tale and my first impression was that it's not for me. Seems like a dumbed down version of Man in the High Tower with some Scarlet Letter and Children of Men mixed in, except not as good as any of those things. Maybe I'll watch the second episode just to make sure, but I feel like it's a decent show that is overrated because of its timely political stances.

I'm honestly excited though because I had given up on the idea of Snowfall being a thing, but now I'm going to find it and I'll let you know what I think.


Word.



Season 1 of Westworld is undoubtedly a masterpiece. Waiting to see how season 2 pans out before I rate it as a series, but even if it were to somehow be terrible, season 1 would still stand as a self-contained masterpiece. One of the greatest things I have ever seen.

It definitely starts off slow with lots of exposition to be done, but the payoff is worth it.

Also, awesome that you watch the Americans. That would make you literally the second person I have ever talked to who has actually seen it.
 
That very first sequence in the pilot episode, the Tusk scene...that's what hooked me I think. I have no idea why it's been so overlooked. Seems like the only show that gets noticed on FX is American Horror Story. I thought Legion was excellent, but you barely hear a peep about it even amongst Marvel fans.

Think I'm going to drop Handmaid's Tale, knock out the remainder of Westworld quickly, then transition to the last couple of seasons of the Americans. Check out Snowfall somewhere in between.
 
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I rewatched the first two seasons of the Americans and now I’m already halfway through season 3. I’m in my own world right now haha... =D
 
^^The Americans is a great Show. Will have to rewatch S01-S03 up to S05, which will need an extended weekend of some kind to get that done :)

Another TV Show I watched recently was Big Little Lies, which I was quite impressed with. Such good acting by of course the stars of the show, but the others did an amazing job, too.... what a great cast!

The mix of drama, thriller, crime was just gripping and I binged the whole season on a weekend... just had to!
 
Shameless, which happens to come back Sunday.

Stranger Things

The Deuce, just had the season finale

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Riverdale

Ray Donovan

This Is Us

Queen Sugar

American Gods

Game Of Thrones

Homeland

Billions

That's all the shows I watch whenever it's on.
 
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No more Americans left :(
The end of season 5 really leaves things wide open
 
"White Famous" with Jay Pharoah and Michael Rapaport is funny as fuck! Currently watching on Showtime.
 
Finally got around to watching Mr Robot. Holy shit is it good.

1st season was amazing. Toward the end of two I was like “...da fuck?”. Haven’t got around to three yet.
 
Yeah season 3 is the bee's knee's.

The cinematography in that show just blows me away..
 
This is great news. I’m now going to enthusiasticly watch season 3 instead of begrudgingly watch it.
 
This is great news. I’m now going to enthusiasticly watch season 3 instead of begrudgingly watch it.

Yeah, season 3 appears as though it might be the point where the show makes the transition from really-good-but-occasionally-inconsistent to great. Everything about it has been perfection so far.

Season 2 was up and down in many respects, I agree. Although having the luxury of watching episodes back to back made it feel less stagnant than it perhaps felt to weekly viewers. The extra time spent on character development pays off dividends in season 3, so it's all worth it.

The Adderall episode in season 2 was tits, though. Everything about that episode was straight up facts. It's a rare thing to see a work of fiction cover a drug experience so accurately. They even got the days right.
 
About to enjoy:
Gomorra, s03 (six eps out on HBO nordic)
Detectorists, s03e05
Peaky blinders, s03e03-04
Mr robot, s03e08

Saving it for tonight!
 
american gods is fkn lit! was heavy into hannibal, same dude exec produced s1.

Yes!!!! I love American Gods! The casting is perfect and the show is just like the book. It really takes you into that supernatural world. Very well done. Can't wait for the second season.
 
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