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Stimulants Speed + Tramadol + Benzo = very clean stimulation + no short term side effects?

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bobtehmoo

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I've been lurking on bluelight for a while now and this is my first post so I do apologise if I break any rules, and if any mods think this is belongs in a different subforum please feel free to move it.

Anyway, its well established that mixing Tramadol and amphetamines is a very bad idea due to a significant risk of seizures as both drugs lower seizure threshold dramatically.

Ergo, I wondered what would happen if a weak benzo was thrown into the mix, so that it would lower seizure threshold, but not overpower the stimulation effects.

So, I gave in to my curiosity and took 3x 0.5mg Pyrazolam pills, 50mg of speed paste (of fairly high purity, snorted), and 200mg Tramadol, and in my opinion it was an excellent combination; Tramadol significantly amplified the positive effects of the amphetamines and Pyrazolam didn't overpower the stimulation whatsoever. No tremors, and no seizures. It extended the duration of the amphetamine effects, I was in a great mood, felt more focused, motivated, physically and mentally stimulated all day, with no anxiety, jitteryness, awful comedown, or vasoconstriction as I usually get when just taking amphetamines alone.

But this isn't a trip report, and I don't want to recommend anyone else tries this combination until I get some answers to the following - as I think harm reduction is most important here...

Considering that this combination with a benzo may reduce the risk of seizure, is the mixture of Tramadol's SNRI properties and amphetamine's release of dopamine and norepinephrine neurotoxic/dangerous in any other way?
 
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damn i cant take 4 trams at once, more than 2 and its the same buzz but a bad headache...i love taking a couple in the morning though, or at least used to love it. havent had that shit in 6 months at least. its a great little mini-amp to get you through work(especially a physically demanding job)

that paste just must not be where i live....no idea what people are talking about on that but my father knows what it is so its just not here i guess(he was an over the road trucker so he knows a lil somethin bout goin fast). i would love to try that shit, sounds nice


welcome to the forum by the way, im pretty new as well and its a nice place to come talk and share too much information under the influence of substances
 
damn i cant take 4 trams at once, more than 2 and its the same buzz but a bad headache...i love taking a couple in the morning though, or at least used to love it. havent had that shit in 6 months at least. its a great little mini-amp to get you through work(especially a physically demanding job)

that paste just must not be where i live....no idea what people are talking about on that but my father knows what it is so its just not here i guess(he was an over the road trucker so he knows a lil somethin bout goin fast). i would love to try that shit, sounds nice


welcome to the forum by the way, im pretty new as well and its a nice place to come talk and share too much information under the influence of substances

Thanks for the completely pointless and irrelevant comment... :\

*bump!*

So I have taken this combination with Pyrazolam for several days now, haven't had any tremors or felt any sort of negative effects to suggest I was close to a seizure... so on the assumption that benzos raise the seizure threshold enough for me to not have a seizure, is there any negative long-term effects of combining Tramadol's SNRI properties and amphetamine's release of dopamine and norepinephrine?
 
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I have combined tramadol with methamphetamine many many times, before i had any idea it was not good to do that. i never had an issue. but then again, i have never had a seizure in my life.. and have abused a lot of drugs.. so i think everyone is different in this area. some people have had seizures off of just 200mg of tramadol. i have used 400mg and then smoked a half g of meth.. and felt pretty damn good. with no benzo either. so i think u just need to kno your body and what it can handle.. my understanding is that tramadols action isnt really directly related to meth or amps.. so the chance of seratonin syndrome and seizures isnt really raised that much. thats just my understanding and shouldnt be taken as a fact..
 
I've been lurking on bluelight for a while now and this is my first post so I do apologise if I break any rules, and if any mods think this is belongs in a different subforum please feel free to move it. Anyway, its well established that mixing Tramadol and amphetamines is a very bad idea due to a significant risk of seizures as both drugs lower seizure threshold dramatically. Ergo, I wondered what would happen if a weak benzo was thrown into the mix, so that it would lower seizure threshold, but not overpower the stimulation effects. So, I gave in to my curiosity and took 3x 0.5mg Pyrazolam pills, 50mg of speed paste (of fairly high purity, snorted), and 200mg Tramadol, and in my opinion it was an excellent combination; Tramadol significantly amplified the positive effects of the amphetamines and Pyrazolam didn't overpower the stimulation whatsoever. No tremors, and no seizures. It extended the duration of the amphetamine effects, I was in a great mood, felt more focused, motivated, physically and mentally stimulated all day, with no anxiety, jitteryness, awful comedown, or vasoconstriction as I usually get when just taking amphetamines alone. But this isn't a trip report, and I don't want to recommend anyone else tries this combination until I get some answers to the following - as I think harm reduction is most important here... Considering that this combination with a benzo may reduce the risk of seizure, is the mixture of Tramadol's SNRI properties and amphetamine's release of dopamine and norepinephrine neurotoxic/dangerous in any other way?
Welcome to Bluelight, bobtehmoo. Before you click on a forum, there is a general explanation of what the forum is about. I may of put this same post in here myself. In regards to the first section of your post, due to the relative strength and possible major interaction between Tramadol and Amphetamine, a weak bezodiazepine would probably not have a noticeable effect. A higher dose could offer some help, but I wouldn't say protection. Check out this link on seizure thresholds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seizure_threshold to get a real idea of what that means. I'm glad your combination, didn't produce any(subjective) negative effects, but Tramadol alone, has caused seizures in healthy individuals that had no prior history. Bottom line, in the name of harm reduction, bad combo, avoid. To answer the last part of your post, IMO, at the minimum, that combination uses a lot of neurotransmitters. Aside from theoretical usage, it sounds like burn out and lowered seizure threshold. I really don't know tbh. There is a Neuroscience and Pharmacology Discussion forum, that would probably have a better answer for that.
 
Ok...I learn everyday. I was given a bunch of boxes of trams, i am a benzo addict since my 17th year, currently on Valium, and i currently use this combo to get through my WDs.
Oh, i am about 44 years now...and kinda lost track of ever stopping with the benzos.
I didn't know the trams couldt be dangerous with speed.

But i intend to do 2 nights on speed and quit the trams before i like them. I do not now. Nor the speed, but the drive at nights like this, i listen to music and write.
And the serotonin helps too.
 
Old thread I know but relevant to me at this time. I have recently acquired some base and it adds very nicely to my co codamol (30s) trams (50s) and concerta 54s (peeled and swallowed). Makes my working days and sofa surfing nights quite amusing :) I take the edge off with some diazepam(5s) only at the most as I managed to blag a script after my last import of Pam (all sorts) didn't make it through the international hub and I got a caution via mail and lost a few quid (over 4000 diazepam alone). I believe the key is not to ovedo any one ingredient or colleagues or neighbours start to eye you suspiciously. 3-4 top ups a day with coffee (and a digestive, optional) keeps you on an even keel and a swift strong beverage on the way home from work sets you up for a relaxing evening. One thing I have noticed though is trams (over 200mg) do have a tendency to delay climax if one is lucky enough to get some action in the evening and a little too much of any one ingredient may cause less than impressive erections.....i have been sniffing around some likely friends for some Viagra rip offs this very evening so my lady can't accuse me of "taking something" and ruining the moment. Like I said its all about quantities an getting the cocktail bang on.....pun intended. Anyway to the point, after my written caution for importing class c's through the post from s.e.a. should I wait for a while longer ( been 4 months now) or get a package sent to my address and what are the possible penalties for getting busted? Thanks in advance, back to my comfy sofa for me :+)
 
The discussion of legal issues surrounding drug use is prohibited on BL. Sorry.
 
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