Bupe do i need the bupe?? 9 days on it and 9 days free from heroin

[BruceLeeSwag]

so i got clean first month of the year, in febuary hit the foil back with vengence got up to 2 grams a day(thats 120 euros, i honestly dont know where i was getting the money, its all a blue, living life 10 hours at a time, couldnt bare the cold turkey or bare living my life a gram at a time anymore so i went to specialist addiction doctor, started me on 8mg suboxone.

first 4 days i took 8mg, then 3 days i took 4mg and yesterday i took around 2mg(i changed to generic 8mg bupe pills because of the taste of suboxone is horrible so i cant be sure it was exactly a quarter of the pill because theyre hard to break up), i havnt noticed any difference in my feeling on the dosage, im feeling sometimes too good!? am i way over dosing on the bupe? i was on 2 grams a day smoking, waking up sick and needing to smoke 3 times a day, now when i take 2mg of bupe i work like a beast(i work a very physical job) i dont have any bad feelings at all , i cant cum during sex(for at least 45mins) on bupe either so makes me think i am stoned off of it...áltho i am not feeling any kinda euphoria, just confidence (which i had alot of before heroin reduced me to a anxious wreck)

every morning i wake up sick, even on the bupe, i'm shivering and my muscle twitching but after about an hour it settled down today, i havn't taken any bupe today and its 9 days since i last smoked heroin.


I am feeling 60-70% like normal now, with 2mg of bupe i am feeling 110%...

is it worth tapering down on the bupe or should i just discontinue it immediately as i don't want to be hooked on it(even tho every day NOT HOOKED ON HEROIN IS A BLESSING)....although it does completely remove my heroin cravings...


any advice?? stop?? quick taper?? don't get me wrong am not complaining my life has completely turned around these last 9 days of being clean, if i need to slowly taper bupe then i have no problem with it, just i don't want to be unnecessarily hooked to pills, the doctor gave good advice etc but he told me to do 8mg for 2 weeks and wants to taper me down over 3 months and from what i read that is insane....


ps: i take 20-50mg valium per day also right now, but not every day, to be honest i don't notice much of a difference except in the evenings i sleep much better when i take(my supplier is unreliable and the doctor prescribed me mitrazipine (anti depressent) instead of diazepam(wtf???) so i have to buy them in blackmarket...

ps2: i smoke weed/hash alot also , it has sometimes helping effect and sometimes it makes me in very strange mood..

'ps3: this is my 4th time quitting seriously, but my first time where it has got so severe i couldn't handle the WD's and have had to use bupe

 

[BruceLeeSwag]

i am also a bit worried this is my mind tricking me into stopping the bupe so i can make an excuse to use again Heroin

 

[d1ahp]

Stabilize on Suboxone, seems like you're stable at 2mg. That's an excellent starting point. Once stabilized for a week, drop your dose by .25mg every 5 days. In my opinion, this is the best use of Suboxone. You're not going fully cold turkey too soon, risking relapse. And, you're not staying on Suboxone for too long, essentially trading one addiction for another.

I wish you luck.

 

[BruceLeeSwag]

if i'm feeling ok should i not push the taper faster? i was hoping to be off of the pills before end of may...

ps. i am on natzon now not suboxone, its just generic 8mg bupes, no naxalone, they worked out much cheaper and the taste is 100% better.

 

[crzydiamond]

You can do a quick taper like they do in detox, go down in mg to like 1 a day then like 1 every other day...then cut that in half

Or you can stop and see how you are. I've been in 5 day detoxes where they did exactly what you did. Start you on 8 mg, drop to 4 2 days later, drop to 2 mg last day and off and most ppl were fine (went on to rehab so interacted with them after the detox)

PS. For all intents and purposes, bupe with or without naloxone does the same exact thing. Some people get headaches from the naloxone. But as far as tapering, effectiveness, etc there is no difference

 

[BruceLeeSwag]

the suboxone we get in my country are hexagon shape and they are nationwide sold out of 8mg so they had me taking 4 2mg of these tiny disgusting tasting (they add some lemon flavour) pills a day which worked out about 15$ but now with the generic bupes they are only 6$ each for 8mg and without the added lemon flavour, i dont mind the nasty chem taste im used to eating all sorts but tht lemon they add to the suboxone would trigger in my head a bad trip.

am very happy with my progress so far, i took approx a 4th or 5h of an 8mg pill today, tomorrow ill try with a 6th or 8th but i have to work so lets see! one day at a time!!

 

[pbuilder]

Don't kid yourself, you are still very physically dependent on opiates, do NOT stop the bupe. Bupe has a long half life, you won't even feel full withdrawals until day 4+ cold turkey from it. Maybe 2mg will stabilize you, or maybe when all the bupe in your system metabolizes out you'll find 2mg a day is a bit too low. Work with your doctor and don't abuse the bupe but don't stop it or I guarenteed you'll be back on heroin.

 

[BruceLeeSwag]

thx for super positive info bro making me feel gr8^..i already stated im worried its my brain tricking me into stopping bupe ASAP so i can start smack again...


also can someone explain why i wake up very cold and shaking in the mornings if bupe is 36 hour half life? it seems to last 24 hours for me..

 

[Smoky]

Congrats on quitting. I couldn't handle the withdrawals either. Once I tried subs, next time used methadone briefly. If you truly feel you'll use H again, then maybe maintain on low amount you are on for a little while. I used to smoke a gram - 2 a day.

I cannot believe I made it out of that nightmare… It felt like life or death for me…

 

[BruceLeeSwag]

so since the pills are hard to divide i weighed one on scale 0.39g(8mg bupe) so lets say 0.4g pill, i am down to 0.07g portions and feeling ok, gonna go down to 0.5 then 0.3 then 0.3 every other day and see what happens?i have noticed slightly being sick as im reducing the dosage which i presume is normal? im still able to work and my anxiety is fine with 20mg of valium and a energy drink i am 90+%

any advice? i am scared to be hooked on bupe but i would choose a bupe addiction over heroin every day of the week...i cannot go back to hell...my life has changed 180 degrees in only a little under 2 weeks clean...just imagine in a few months..i am a very productive and hard worker when im sober, when im stoned i only think about how to quickly get money..its a blessing that i am still a free man, i have been in EXTREMELY serious LIFE CHANGING situations and passed without a scratch because of pure luck....all because of that shit..i CANNOT go back there....last time i quit was after 3 guys beat me with baseball bats, this time is after almost losing years of my life from being wreckless smoking...

Ive started pro-biotics and a mega time release multivitamin going to do the next 2 weeks with these daily in the morning, am trying to eat healty but is a problem as i live in a squat(i rent it but its an empty house, no kitchen only bathroom) (duh, i spent all my cash on smack and lost my luxury condo) but am moving to a better hippy house next week with a shared kitchen so will try to eat healthy
i work 4 days a week a specislist cleaning job and i sweat alot...i want to find a sauna to go in also but its already 25c+ where i live during the daytime so i am trying to spend 2 hours a day naked on my roof sunbathing.

ive had a half gram bag in my hands and not even considered using it and just got it for a friend, was a kind of test to myself and i passed, but if i was not on bupe i don't know if my response would have been the same.

\recommendations on detox suppliments/foods readily available so i can sweat this shit out of me quicker??

things going good....just so scared to relapse as i go off of the subs and if that might happen am thinking better to stay on them and keep a stable low dose for a while....really duno and the doctor seems to just want to get me hooked on 8mg a day for 3 months then talk about reducing....