Opioids Tianeptine Megathread v1

[Mysterie]

i can feel the drug in my stomach once it breaks through the capsule, its like a warm chemical feeling, but its not too intolerable usually.

ive dosed higher than 10-20 mg and that is usually when it causes stomach discomfort

once again dosing higher than the recommended dose increases the likelihood of it giving me a headache, i think i have only got very mild headaches from it at 12mg, but that might have been partly dehydration, i need to drink water more than usual on tianeptine

i experimented by doing an 80mg dose, which i fell asleep after, and a 100 mg dose, it wasn't really worth it for me, it was almost like having codeine but the high was longer than codeine is for me.

im back to taking it as recommended and luckily i haven't ruined the therapeutic benefit i have from it due to building tolerance.

i agree with this guys post on tia, in the sense that i don't really think its worth mega dosing this drug

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/2oo1z8/psa_you_dont_need_to_mega_dose_tianeptine_heres/

 

[《Plasticity》]

Does tianeptine cause a stomach-gnawing pain for anyone else? Real opiates don't even bother my gut this bad. Even at doses of 12-15 mgs it's noticeable. Don't know how people tolerate megadoses...

It sometimes gives me a headache too.

Not pain necessarily but nausea and that feeling as if your stomach drops (for lack of a better word). It's interesting, if I plug this stuff my stomach instantly sinks pretty bad for a while before sort of leveling out. Best feeling I can compare it to is the feeling you get when your on a rollercoaster... or the feeling preceeding the pain of getting punched in the balls . I don't get this with any other opioids. As for headaches, I get that too but they're pretty mild for me.

 

[Mysterie]

has anyone here thought of getting the sulfate form of tianeptine as opposed to the sodium salt.

its less hygroscopic so its easier to store and encapsulate.

also i think its half life is longer and it is absorbed more slowly into the bloodstream, so instead of dosing 3x a day, 1x a day is enough. i think i read that you might just need 25mg as opposed to 12.5mg

 

[crunkazcanbe]

Not pain necessarily but nausea and that feeling as if your stomach drops (for lack of a better word). It's interesting, if I plug this stuff my stomach instantly sinks pretty bad for a while before sort of leveling out. Best feeling I can compare it to is the feeling you get when your on a rollercoaster... or the feeling preceeding the pain of getting punched in the balls . I don't get this with any other opioids. As for headaches, I get that too but they're pretty mild for me.

I dont get this but I see what your saying . It may be because I am so backed up that I am actually hurting .

 

[crunkazcanbe]

I have had a pretty bad headache once in the 400mg range . It was so bad I had to go lay in a dark room just for a bit of relief . I am up to 600mg 3 times a day , and I am having to back my dose back down. I have only taken 300mg today , and am going threw mild withdrawals right now such as body chills so bad I go stand by a heater runny nose achy body . What I have found out is the first dose in the morning is always the best . I usually set the alarm clock a few hours before I normally get up , and take a 500mg cap , and within 30mins I am in full blown euphoria bliss nodding out heaven . I usually watch a you-tube video until I nod out in the morning then ill fall a sleep for a few hours . usually after waking up I still feel it in me only mildly maybe a little over 50% is left in me . Any other dose in the day I can barely feel if at all . This is why I am baking my dose back down. I have been so constipated with this stuff . I have not shit in 5 days now , and after taking only 300mg today I finally shit rabbit pellets . Its funny because today after taking only 300mg I have not been able to hold any food down as soon as I put it in my stomach I get the sudden ,and instant urge to go throw it up . But back to what I was saying above if i take it any other time in the day besides the morning I will not feel it the least bit even at 600mg anymore . I am sure if I take more then 600 mg I could feel it ,but I am not going to do that . I just don't understand why I feel it in the morning now , but not any other time .

Anyways I hope everyone is doing good out there .

 

[Peacephrog1972]

Well I am a believer

Did 200ish mg on Sunday ......absolutely awesome......lasted about 3 hours did 200 more? Right back where I started!!!

Amazing.....I am going to keep this one to maybe twice a week as I don't want to build a tolerance to it

 

[Tikhil]

Heh, I posted a thread about how well it solved w/d almost a year ago, but until I saw this I forgot I even had it in my desk.

Idk if anyone remembers me, I was active here, mostly in Bupe and Kratom like a year or so ago.

I kicked my dependency, spent about a year clean and went back to kinda chipping (tho somehow my strong love for opiates is not present, so I use even less then I expected or allow. In the time I wasn't using I seem to have increased my affinity for Ketemine, and lost much of my love for opiates).

Still I was reading this thread about an hour ago, still tweeking from my vyvance script I only take when I need to get work done (applying for a new degree). Hate stims, so decided to see what ya'll where talking about (never pushed my dose like that back then). Only had 150mg left, so i popped it into a cap and took it. Not sure I'd call this an opiate high, because it made me tweek much harder, but I am more relaxed with no stimulant come down, so I'll take it.

Ordered another gram, something to fuck around with for a few weeks. When its gone I'm done, but it'll be good to replace my two weekly doses of Kratom for a lil bit. Not for any other reason then letting the Kratom get fun again. When I get to used to it, it really starts feeling like a functional stim more then a fun substance. Either case, thanks for the fun night, Pinpoint and Plasticity, I chatted with both of you while I was kicking I believe, how goes life these days?

 

[joshua_2015]

Crunkazcanbe - hey man my order is suppose to be here at my house any minute can you give me some advice on measuring out milligrams I don't have a scale or any capsules I'm wanting to plug it so some advice would be greatly appreciated you can pm me back if you like only capsules I have are three mylan 1610 caps I could empty out just let me know what you think the best route to take is

 

[crunkazcanbe]

Crunkazcanbe - hey man my order is suppose to be here at my house any minute can you give me some advice on measuring out milligrams I don't have a scale or any capsules I'm wanting to plug it so some advice would be greatly appreciated you can pm me back if you like only capsules I have are three mylan 1610 caps I could empty out just let me know what you think the best route to take is

Well I recommend a scale man especially for your first time ,but since you don't got one , and I don't need one anymore myself because I have it down pat by eye . about 1 mm thick of a pile of 3 quarters the size of a US penny is about 250-300mg of powder . After you have this much sitting in front of you I would scoop about a quarter of the pile away then whats left should be 150-250mg put that dry powder in your syringe then pull about 3ml of warm water in with it then shake it real good no air in it then put that up the bum. Make sure it all dissolves in the water . I have already gone threw 30 grams of this stuff ,and still have 20 Grams left before I reorder . I have been taking 150mg up the bum every 3 hours now to cut my tolerance back down some before I start back taking 300+mg. I can not even get a buzz from 600 mg anymore ,all I will get is a slight body warmth ,but my tolerance is so high its to be expected .

 

[joshua_2015]

Crunkazcanbe- I have the white scoop and then the blue 12mg scoop that came with my order what do you think a good scoop and maybe half scoop using the white 90mg scoop for my first time and how long does it take for effects to kick in usually

 

[crunkazcanbe]

Crunkazcanbe- I have the white scoop and then the blue 12mg scoop that came with my order what do you think a good scoop and maybe half scoop using the white 90mg scoop for my first time and how long does it take for effects to kick in usually

The white scoop is about 100mg is what my scale shows . Do about 100 mg for your first time ,but if you have a slight opiate tolerance I recommend 130-200mg for first time . To have a pretty good nod .

I have a shit ton of the blue and white scoops I get 50-60 Grams a month.

Half of the white scoop will do nothing but disappoint you I promise. Trust me at least a whole white scoop kinda heaping will give a good buzz .

 

[joshua_2015]

I done 2 scoops over an hour ago nothing major but I ate dinner maybe 20 minutes after dosing I just tried 2 more scoops I have a mild buzz but nothing crazy it's only been like five minutes or so any advice and also how long does it take to kick in good I may try the vaping idea also will grape juice potienate it like with standard opiates

 

[crunkazcanbe]

I done 2 scoops over an hour ago nothing major but I ate dinner maybe 20 minutes after dosing I just tried 2 more scoops I have a mild buzz but nothing crazy it's only been like five minutes or so any advice and also how long does it take to kick in good I may try the vaping idea also will grape juice potienate it like with standard opiates

Takes about 30mins to start working for me man. It would be wise to get a scale man to se exactly how much your taking, but with my high tolerance with opiates I do a whole lot . 5-6 heaping white scoops. Thats just me though . It takes about 30 mins to kick in though give it at least that then take another heaping white scoop . Its funny but the only thing been found to potienate Tianeptine is salicylic acid aka asprin take a gram or so of asprin with it .


EDIT: What ever you do man do not give up on it. I gave up on it the first time of getting this ;because I could not find my sweet spot. Thats all it is you have to find your sweet spot . For you it may be like me over 250mg . Just keep trying it ,and I promise you you will find your sweet spot. Tolerance builds quick to so watch out for that , and when you see your self getting over 500 mg in 1 single dose back it back down to lower your tolerance otherwise this will turn into a very expensive habit .

 

[FlawedByDesign]

has anyone here thought of getting the sulfate form of tianeptine as opposed to the sodium salt.

its less hygroscopic so its easier to store and encapsulate.

also i think its half life is longer and it is absorbed more slowly into the bloodstream, so instead of dosing 3x a day, 1x a day is enough. i think i read that you might just need 25mg as opposed to 12.5mg

Intresting.... I have never looked into any differents forms of tianeptine but I did read about a popular amazon vendor selling a a form other than the sodium on their web site that was pretty much useless. Regarding stomach pains, I definitely feel it in my gut when taking ~150 several times through out the day.

 

[NOtoInvega]

I always worry that they are going to schedule anything people talk about. Especially when people post about "nodding out" and how it's "like X drug." TMI TMI

I wonder how dangerous it is for you who are taking 300-500mg at a time.

The simple fact is there are bad people who don't want ANY manoaminergic drugs (IE abuse potential) available legally. They want people to get locked up. The slave trade is a HUGE industry and it is mainly fueled by the "war on drugs" (war on people). These are the kinds of people to talk about Jesus and God's Word for the sake of personal gain. These are the kinds of people who get paid from the slave trade (mass imprisonment of non-violent drug law offenders, with them working in factories for virtually nothing, and truly nothing with phone calls considered, making things that would pay good money on the outside) and/or politics. I, for one, will not possess anything that is illegal. Not because I think I would get caught, but because I actually believe in God's Word unlike the extremely rich Nazi-like slave traders who hold stocks in companies like Viacom and CCA at the same time while using their ill-gotten gains to influence legislation. And as a result of believing in what they claim to believe in, I can not break the law. I wish people would just hush up about the legal things. I need manoaminergics for therapeutic purposes and I don't want to use research chemicals or be at the mercy of a doctor. Plus I hate the slave trade.

When people see posts comparing it to "insert X drug here" that has been sensationalized in the news, freedom is threatened.

I don't want to be harsh with my words, but this is one of the worst threads about tianeptine I have seen from a freedom-promoting point of view. Once they get done with kratom, they will continue down the list. Asprin and alcohol are far more dangerous to the public, but they will do it because "what about the kids?" More like "I get paid off of slavery."

To make it even worse, the slave traders are robbing the whole country. They make TONS of money off the slavery because the labor is virtually free, while the tax-payers pay for the housing, food, and medical care of the slaves. As you can see, it is right to be concerned that they will look to ban every last substance with real therapeutic potential (most of the best therapeutic drugs have abuse potential). It's not paranoid to think this. They are the kinds of people to look to control every aspect of your life, claim they believe in Jesus (BUSH! That liar didn't believe the Gospel AT ALL when he was in office), purchase yachts and mansions and private jets - and do it all while over 22,000 kids are dying every day from hunger and thirst. Trust me, it is not paranoid to think that they want to enslave people via the war on drugs, and they do not care how many people who need manoaminergics for therapeutic purposes are affected. I don't have anything against you abusing it in your own house as long as you don't drive, AND NEITHER DO THEY. They have a problem with your FREEDOM.

Anyone know if taking 300-500mg per day is hepotoxic in itself? I have to take 100mg or more at a time for therapeutic effects (treating akathisia with it)

I wouldn't be against this thread being removed!

 

[crunkazcanbe]

I always worry that they are going to schedule anything people talk about. Especially when people post about "nodding out" and how it's "like X drug." TMI TMI

I wonder how dangerous it is for you who are taking 300-500mg at a time.

The simple fact is there are bad people who don't want ANY manoaminergic drugs (IE abuse potential) available legally. They want people to get locked up. The slave trade is a HUGE industry and it is mainly fueled by the "war on drugs" (war on people). These are the kinds of people to talk about Jesus and God's Word for the sake of personal gain. These are the kinds of people who get paid from the slave trade (mass imprisonment of non-violent drug law offenders, with them working in factories for virtually nothing, and truly nothing with phone calls considered, making things that would pay good money on the outside) and/or politics. I, for one, will not possess anything that is illegal. Not because I think I would get caught, but because I actually believe in God's Word unlike the extremely rich Nazi-like slave traders who hold stocks in companies like Viacom and CCA at the same time while using their ill-gotten gains to influence legislation. And as a result of believing in what they claim to believe in, I can not break the law. I wish people would just hush up about the legal things. I need manoaminergics for therapeutic purposes and I don't want to use research chemicals or be at the mercy of a doctor. Plus I hate the slave trade.

When people see posts comparing it to "insert X drug here" that has been sensationalized in the news, freedom is threatened.

I don't want to be harsh with my words, but this is one of the worst threads about tianeptine I have seen from a freedom-promoting point of view.

Anyone know if taking 300-500mg per day is hepotoxic in itself?

Studies have shown it to only be hepotoxic in doses exceeding 4000mg in a single dose . Read here, and here. I am glad your worried though .


EDIT: Also I was not doing 400-500mg a day I was doing 500mg 3x a day . I have for the last few days been slowly backing my dose back down though due to tolerance ,and needing a huge amount to feel it anymore . I would not be against this thread being removed myself man. I see where you come from ,but since the thread was made I just thought I would put some honest info about the drug out there from my point of view about it .

 

[NOtoInvega]

Studies have shown it to only be hepotoxic in doses exceeding 4000mg in a single dose . Read here, and here. I am glad your worried though .


EDIT: Also I was not doing 400-500mg a day I was doing 500mg 3x a day . I have for the last few days been slowly backing my dose back down though due to tolerance ,and needing a huge amount to feel it anymore . I would not be against this thread being removed myself man. I see where you come from ,but since the thread was made I just thought I would put some honest info about the drug out there from my point of view about it .

Oh it's not just u. It's the whole thread! And I have never seen one this bad. Not on reddit or otherwise.

I think you would benefit from a decent break. I am PMing u a suggestion.

I take around 100-150 mg and it treats akathisia. This is important because there are almost no legal drugs that treat akathisia. Akathisia is so bad that many people kill themselves from it. However, mine will only be there for a few more months. The closest thing they have outside of this or etizolam is benadryl - useless.

Yeah, I often just hope they stop legislating slavery. I'm not saying ALL drugs should be legal. But there should be a selection of legally available manoaminergics, and if people keep talking about them - there won't be any more outside of research chemicals which are dangerous. I doubt they will stop because of how much money is in slavery (they make a killing on slavery at CCA and they help brainwash inner city kids over at Viacom. U know, the "elite" are evil enough to put 2+2 together) along with Big Pharma/health insurance.

 

[deruyityn]

Is this any more socially motivating than kratom? because i take kratom twice a week and it helps with depression alot but doesnt move me to socialise which is the root of my depression (isolation and general mysanthropy). I want something mild that will move me to socialise.

Also is it any more psychologically addicitve than kratom? I have no probs with twice a week use of kratom. Im tlkaing about therapeutuc doses not the wreckless doses you guys are taking.

 

[Mysterie]

it isn't going to turn you into a social butterfly, but it will help to noticeably reduce social anxiety for up to 3 hours after ingestion. i have found that because you know after taking it that being in social situations won't be as awkward, i feel more confident in my ability to be around other people.

it isn't psychologically addictive at all (at 12.5mg). another poster using therapeutic dosage ranges uses it for 2 weeks, then does 2 weeks off and cycles it that way, so that tolerance doesn't build up

 

[deruyityn]

Hmm well kratom does that for me already. Does it not offer anything over kratom in the social front then? I won't bother if not cos Im alot more comfortable taking kratom semi regularly than this, but if it offered significant social boosting that kratom lacked Id be interested in maybe giving it a shot on a sporadic in and out type of deal. A cycle as bodybuilders may cycle steroids.