please give me a 7-10 day detox from subutex

asherman

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I'm really unhappy with live I'm on 24 MG a day please get ,enough off of it ASAP I just don't want to go into a detox I'll havemy family pass me my pills when I'm supposed but as of now I need to get off them and back in recovery
 
Hey ash and a warm welcome to BL:)

What you ask is not possible.. you will need to taper. Your on a real high dose? But if you are going to taper you will want to reduce your dose by 2 mg every two weeks.. man your at a very high dose... but you can do this.<3

Have you family cut you 2 mgs every two weeks.. if your situation prevents this then your in for a real ride.. no matter, you can do it!!.. i jumped a insane does and pulled through.. just if you can taper this is the route you will want to go.
 
Hey ash and a warm welcome to BL:)

What you ask is not possible.. you will need to taper. Your on a real high dose? But if you are going to taper you will want to reduce your dose by 2 mg every two weeks.. man your at a very high dose... but you can do this.<3

Have you family cut you 2 mgs every two weeks.. if your situation prevents this then your in for a real ride.. no matter, you can do it!!.. i jumped a insane does and pulled through.. just if you can taper this is the route you will want to go.

As usual I agree with neversickanymore. Your going to be in a world of hurt if you jump off at 24mg. How long have you been on suboxone for? You also need to consider that the acute withdrawal is going to last 25-30 days. So yeah I don't recommend jumping at any dose above 1mg and even then it's not going to be pleasant. The people I know who got off sub and stayed off tapered down to like 100micrograms every other day.
 
I can't do it any quicker like a private detox would do for me

All a private detox is going to do is drop your dose like this.
Day 1 16mg
Day 2 8mg
Day 3 8mg
Day 4 4mg
Day 5 2mg
Day 6 0mg
Day 7 2mg

Then nothing if it's a 30 day rehab they will load you up on clonidine muscle relaxers and other comfort meds while you suffer for the next 15-20 days. If its only a 5-7 day detox place they will probably just give you comfort meds while you suffer. Since you only been on it 3 months your withdrawal may not be that hellish. Then again it may be it depends on your body chemistry and the length of your opiate addiction before you got on sub.

My advice is to immediately cut your dose to 8mg a day. See how you feel. If your good. Then cut your dose to 4mg a day. Do that for a few days then if your good cut it to 2mg so on so fourth until you start getting significant withdrawals. Once you start getting sick slowly taper from there over a month or two. The problem with going too fast is it greatly increases your chances of relapsing.
 
I'm also coming off klonopin I've been off it 3 days cold turkey and don't feel too bad I have a Dr. apt. Monday so how should I wein myself off of that also I need to get off it as quick as possible

Edit: 6 mg a day

I'm going to try to take 8mg-12 mg subutex tomorrow and see how I feel


Also a side note my dad wants to give me a vivitrol shot would it put ,everything into precipitated w/d if I were to allow them to give it to me
 
All a private detox is going to do is drop your dose like this.
Day 1 16mg
Day 2 8mg
Day 3 8mg
Day 4 4mg
Day 5 2mg
Day 6 0mg
Day 7 2mg

Then nothing if it's a 30 day rehab they will load you up on clonidine muscle relaxers and other comfort meds while you suffer for the next 15-20 days. If its only a 5-7 day detox place they will probably just give you comfort meds while you suffer. Since you only been on it 3 months your withdrawal may not be that hellish. Then again it may be it depends on your body chemistry and the length of your opiate addiction before you got on sub.

My advice is to immediately cut your dose to 8mg a day. See how you feel. If your good. Then cut your dose to 4mg a day. Do that for a few days then if your good cut it to 2mg so on so fourth until you start getting significant withdrawals. Once you start getting sick slowly taper from there over a month or two. The problem with going too fast is it greatly increases your chances of relapsing.

Like crimson said this is what they will.. in the end its going to just prolong you misery.

To detox opiates we need tp eliminate the opiate from our system. This depends on the opiates half life we are detoxing from. Bupe has a very long half life...

Here is a good post from another thread that sums it up really good

Your doing great!!

Are you planning on using the subs in your detox.

I would really consider going to a physician and telling them what you are trying to accomplish and requesting they explore the use of some short courses of gabapentin aka neurontin (this should help your aches and pains and any RLS that could come a great deal) and the clonidine for the goose bumps, restlessness, etc.

If you decide to use the suboxone for your detox you will be in acutes much longer. Suboxone has a half life between 24 to 42 hours.. in order to detox we must eliminate all the opiates from our system and then we have like 4 days until we see the light at the end of the tunnel.. a good rule of thumb is that takes 6 half lives.. 6 x 24 = 144 hours 144\24= 6 days + 4 days = 10 days. 6 x 42 = 242 hours 242\24 = 10 days 10+4 = 14 days.

So if you use the suboxone to detox you may/may not experience milder withdrawal, but it will take between 10 to 14 days from your very last dose until you start to feel better instead of worse.

I think suboxone detox works well for some people who have small habits that they engaged in for a short time. I have not seen the best results for large habits done over long periods like the one your beating.

If you choose not to use the subs then your already 1/7 or more through the acutes as detoxing oxy takes about a week due to its much shorter half life.

I would delete your dealers phone number.. why have the temptation.

Your doing great.. keep going.. it gets better pretty quick. In a week or two depending on what route you choose you will start to feel better. In a couple of months you will feel great.

Keep your eye on the prize.. freedom and finding the real you again. =D



Here are the medications you may want to explore.. these can and will make a huge difference.. you can pay a small fortune for crap, but since you have a loving family.. I would go see a physician and get the proper medications, bring the studies I have linked as some doctors are not up to speed on this and this will help.. just be honest as to what you are going to do..

medications for acute opiate detox

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE< >here<
OR >Lyrica<
OR >phenibut<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol
Senokot S is a stool softener and laxative. If you do not want the laxative you can go for strait stool softenerDioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate.

(Opi Withdrawal) what is the best comfort meds for opiate w/d?

Your Personal Opiate Withdrawal Arsenal


You got this.. is not going to be fun, but thats only temporary.. in a few weeks you will feal better and be free.. in a few months you will feel amazing and still be free. <3=D<3
 
I'm going to have Lyrica and Tylenol I'll try to get clonodine, on Monday from my doc.. than,s for all yalls help, I just don't understand the post above about the,. 6 x 24 = 144 hours 144\24= 6 days + 4 days = 10 days. 6 x 42 = 242 hours 242\24 = 10 days 10+4 = 14 days. Ect.
 
Excellent advice above. The Lyrica really helped me and Clonidine, especially at night. There are many Otc supplements you can take as well, once you are in, and moving through the withdrawal phase.

Best to you moving forward…. :)
 
I hope I have the support of you guys on here I really appreciate all of your help

I believe i speak for everyone here when i say you have all of our support. I have been through and continue to go through exactly the same thing you are trying to do. I failed and ended up back on sub but I am more than happy to share what I learned from the experience. Make no mistake this will be the hardest thing you will ever have to do in your life. But yeah keep updating the thread and we will do what we can. Also what decision did you make as far as tapering goes?
 
I'm going to have Lyrica and Tylenol I'll try to get clonodine, on Monday from my doc.. than,s for all yalls help, I just don't understand the post above about the,. 6 x 24 = 144 hours 144\24= 6 days + 4 days = 10 days. 6 x 42 = 242 hours 242\24 = 10 days 10+4 = 14 days. Ect.

Let me see if I can explain it better.

Half life is the time it takes the body to eliminate half of the substance from the body.

So say a person took 100 mg of something with a half life of ten hours. What happens would look like this.

0 hours 100mg
10 h 50mg
20h 25mg
30h 12.5mg
40h 6.25mg
50 h 3 mg
60h 1.5 mg

So you can see that the substance is pretty much gone sixty hours after taking it. This would be six half lives of that substance.

This is the same no matter what a drugs half life is. After six half lives for any drug its pretty much gone.

The half life for suboxone is between 24 to 42 hours.

6 half lifes x 24 hours = 144 hours
144 hours = 6 days

So if suboxone has a 24 hour half life in your body it will be eliminated from you in six days.

Once the drug is eliminated from our bodies and minds, the system will have to adjust itself to the drug being gone. This takes three or four days.. I like to go with four days because its sure nice to get a good surprise instead of a bad one.

So 6 days + 4 days = 10 days. If a person has a 24 hour half life for bupe then they will see the light at the end of the tunnel within ten days.

Some people have a system that requires more time to eliminate the drug.. so some people have a half life of 42 hours.

If you work through all that with a 42 hour half life you get 14 days.

So depending on a persons individual half they will see the light at the end of the tunnel between 10 to 14 days after their last dose and if they don't take any other opiates during this time.

The light at the end of the tunnel is different for people. Some people who are coming off a small or short habit can Pop right out and feel amazing. Some people who have longer or larger habits my find they need more time to full exit out, but they will feel better than they did the day before and everyday after things will start to get better.

This is the reason I do not like short tapers.. I do not think they do any good and I believe they end up keeping us in withdrawals longer. So the magic point of a suboxone detox is 10 to 14 days after very last dose taken. With a very short taper you will start to be in withdrawal three days after you start to taper. which reminds me that you may not be aware but most people have little to no withdrawals until sometime on the third day.. so thats some good news.:)

So if your doing a short taper.. you will start to go into withdrawals three days into the taper. If you are tapering every day like the professional model CJ posted then you will start to withdrawal on day three. The symptoms will get stronger over the next four or five days of the taper.. then you will still have 10 to 14 days after the last dose of full withdrawal.

So a 10 to 14 day detox, with the first two or three days being symptom free So a 8 to 12 day detox just turned into a 15 to 19 day detox. The brain also need to time to adjust itself for a taper to have any benefit. I personally do not think you would see anything positive from this short taper and you could really spend a ton more time in withdrawal.

The way to taper subs would be to cut your dose by a mg or two every two weeks. This would allow for the drug to be eliminated from the system and enough time for the brain to adjust. That would be the way I would taper suboxone.
 
So I'm gonna try to go the fastest route that being said once I start to feel bad I'm gonna steady wein myself at that dose

Sounds like a good plan to me. I highty recommend you try and aquire the meds neversickanymore suggested earlier in the thread for when you do start feeling sick. Those can make all the differance between failure and success.
 
Update: I slept ALl day and now I've been up all night and I just took 12 mg of sub like an idiot I told my dad not to give me anymore then a half until 1 am tomorrow morning. I have a doctor visit to get my subs and klonopin on Monday afternoon I'd if I should even take my klonopin unless it's 2 mg (1/3 my daily dose)
 
asherman.. I realize you have a great desire and longing to return to recovery in a non medicated state.

As unhealed addicts we think in polar opposite ways. Something is good or its bad.. it can either help us or it can't.. we are doing this or we are not doing it at all. Unfortunately, this is not the most successful way to think and it certainly does not create the most peaceful or enjoyable life experience.

We choose ho we think and can go about changing how we think. Its not something we can just instantly decide to do.. rather its a processes.. a work in progress.

When we decide to clean up and change our lives for the better thats what we as addicts do.. balls to the wall we try and change and fix everything at break neck speed. Fix everything with one giant grand slam homerun.

In real life things take time to fix.. I know I utterly skipped the desk in the pre birth lobby where they handed out patience before we were born. It probably had a long line and who has patients for that shit.

Steady progress forward and developing, implementing, and adjusting a strong recovery plan is what wins this race. The turtle wins much more then the Hair.. as the hair barrels off at break neck speed and gets a ways down the track.. seemingly way ahead, then it gets lost and wanders off the course boundaries and is forced to start the race over at the very beginning.. over and over.

The turtle does not move fast, but it moves forward all the time and its smart and has a clear picture of where it is and where its going and a well thought out plan on how to get there.

If I were approaching your situation as the turtle would i would be doing a few things.

A1A) I would make ny recovery my number one priority and goal in life. Everything else will come around if you recover, nothing will if you dont.

1) i would decide if i was tapering or CT the subs.

2) I would take one aspect of the problem at a time. So I would detox the opiates before i dove into the benzos.
benzos can be great medications for opiate withdrawal.

3) if I had access to a steady supply of subs I would sit down with my father and draw up a tapper plan where my dose was reduced by one mg every two weeks until i tapered off completely or until i reached a good place to make the final jump. I would make these drawn up doses mandatory with no room for negotiation.

4) if i decided to just CT the subs.. then i would pick a date and get all the medications i need and make any life arrangements needed for the detox. Sitting around laying in bed focusing on how rough we feel and jonesing to use is the worst possible approach. It much better to go do as many things as possible. I detoxed 150 mgpd methadone 260 mgpd oxy and a week into that withdrawals also jumped a 6 mgpd xanax (this was stupid and dangerous and not advisable). I did not sleep a wink for weeks and was in acute withdrawal for months. I did not stop doing shit the whole time. i went to water parks, museums, pro baseball and football games, fishing, camping, movies, etc etc. In doing this i was really distracted and only thought about how awful i felt and about useing two thirds of the time. This shaved one third of my experience off.. it was like getting eight weeks for the price of 5.5. If you did this you would see the light of the opiate tunnel with in two weeks and if you were stabilized on a sub dose for awhile you would not enter said tunnel until day 2 or three.

5) before i did this, while my mind was still working alright i would sit down and draw up two plans.

A) i would draw up and make any arrangements needed for a plan to deal with any PAWS. This would include a gym membership and a workout plan and schedule, a book that i would read about meditation ( i do mantra and some mindfulness), nutritional supplements like fish oil, vitamin D, and a quality multivitamin. something mentally challenging but stress free like lumosity to work the brain out. I would plan on participating in threads on BL that help us alter our thinking like the share something positive from our day thread and the today im thankful for thread. Drugs don't change the world, they just change our perception of it. Life is how we perceive it. How we perceive the world is determined by our thoughts. We control our thoughts. We decide the experience we have in life. We have little or no control over what is thrown our way, but we have total control over how we choose to think about what comes our way.

B) I would draw up and make arrangements for a plan to deal with the addiction. In kicking the drugs your going to deal with the physical dependence. Physical dependence and addiction are very different things. physical dependence means that we need to take a substance constantly to feel ok. Addiction is a subconscious drive to use drugs. Hunger is the drive to eat, thirst is the drive to drink, drug addiction a drive to use the drgs we are addicted to that comes from the exact same place in the brain. We either inherited it from a previous addict relative or created it ourselves through the use of drugs that stimulated the dopamine reward pathway. This plan should certainly include some type of addiction support group and BL as well. Regularly seeing and addiction counselor is highly advised as well or an intensive outpatient rehab can also be very beneficial.


SMART Recovery (Support Group information and discussion)
Twelve-Step Addiction Recovery Support Groups
Varied Approaches to Addiction Recovery

6) learn about benzos and start the proper taper when the opiate struggle has been concluded.
Benzo Information

BENZODIAZEPINES: HOW THEY WORK AND HOW TO WITHDRAW (aka The Ashton Manual)
Benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome Wiki


Everbody always focuses on the withdrawal, but thats the tip of the iceberg. If people don't plan for and deal with everything else then they usually keep finding themsevs at start again and again. Start is withdrawl and that sucks donkey dick so who wants to do that over and over.
 
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