Question about addiction, or a discussion maybe?

[Jan108]

I have a friend/roommate who has been an addict at various points in his life, addicted to various things. His current addiction is fake oxy (fentanyl).

We were talking one night, he's honest with me about his addictions and past and he told me that he was born premature and addicted. His mother has numerous health issues and is a prescription pill addict apparently. When he was born, he was immediately put on morphine (I think that's what he said) due to being premature and already having withdrawls.

That led me to thinking that people like this, who were born addicted, really don't have much of a chance, do they? It's not like later in life he was messing with drugs and became addicted, he was addicted from day 1. He has been clean for stretches at a time, but he always goes back to drugs along the way. I know a lot of it is a coping mechanism for various triggers. As much as he wants to be clean, he always relapses somewhere along the line. He's starting methadone next week and is really looking forward to it, to 'getting my life' back as he puts it, and while I'm happy for him that he's finally getting in and wanting to make some changes in his life, I think that with his past history, this is just a demon he's going to have to live with his whole life.

Thoughts?

 

[ihearthemoose]

I was born into a family of alcoholics, and yes I became one. It will follow me and most of my family forever

 

[pill_billy]

well first off fentanyl isnt fake oxy... that shit is something like 50-100X stornger then heroin (depending on what study you read) last year a bunch of H around pittsburgh was cut with and ended up killing over 20 people (i believe the stamps were bud ice and income tax, but anyways) theres no proof that being born addicted makes a person an addict... i had a great childhood and am the only person in my family who has a problem with opiates and i have a friend who were born addicted and one brother went down the road of addiction and the other one didnt... you cant say it was or wasnt that... but there have been studies done that show there is a gene that makes people predisposed to alcoholism...

anywayssss he should really stear clear of the methadone they dont call it liquid handcuffs for nothing... his best bet is to go see a doctor and ask for a clonodine patch, that shit took away almost all of the WD symptoms for me and its not addicting... that along with a lil bud should def be able to get him over the hump... best of luck to you and your friend, its not easy but def possible...

 

[Jan108]

well first off fentanyl isnt fake oxy...

Actually, in my neck of the woods, it is... They look like oxy's but they are fentanyl.

These are what he's on, so yeah, fentanyl IS fake oxy here.

http://www.ccsa.ca/Resource Library/CCSA-CCENDU-Oxycontin-Fentanyl-Alert-2014-en.pdf

theres no proof that being born addicted makes a person an addict... i had a great childhood and am the only person in my family who has a problem with opiates

Yeah, but you weren't born addicted so you really can't say much right? this person was an addict in the womb, came out and had to be put on morphine as a preemie to stop the WD's. I'd guess that would predispose a person to addictions if they were born that way. I could turn it around and say I had a shitty childhood but I'm not an addict. Apples and oranges.

He want's the methadone. He wants his life back. He's been on it before, he knows what it's about and I'm happy for him that he's decided to try and clean up again. He's cut down from 10+ day to 2-3, so he's started doing it on his own, but he can't handle the WD's or the pain he's in from a pre-existing condition, which is why he started doing this stuff to begin with. He will be talking to the clinic once he gets in about pain management, his sleep patterns and alternatives, but for now, he needs to get in first and hopefully next week will be his first appointment from what he's told me.

 

[pill_billy]

Actually, in my neck of the woods, it is... They look like oxy's but they are fentanyl.

These are what he's on, so yeah, fentanyl IS fake oxy here.

http://www.ccsa.ca/Resource Library/CCSA-CCENDU-Oxycontin-Fentanyl-Alert-2014-en.pdf



Yeah, but you weren't born addicted so you really can't say much right?

well fentanyl is 50-100X stronger then H and oxy sooo thats kinda like saying whisky is a knock off beer.... just cause where your from ppl call something a knock off cause its looks like something weaker doesnt make it true... and honestly kinda makes yall look ignorant... but i digress...

ive been through a 14 days of detox and 16 weeks of IOP and the topic of being born an addict was disscussed multiple times... and disscussed by docters, nurses and addiction specalists sooo im not saying much, im telling you what ive been told by multiple ppl on multiple occassions.... and they also told me there is a gene that predisposses ppl to become an alocoholic, but not to opiate addiction... and you forgot to quote the other part of my story that talked about my friend who also had a mother who used while he was in the womb and he and his two brothers were born addicted to opiates and only he became an adict himself... sooo im just telling you my personal experiences and what health care professionals have told me...

 

[pill_billy]

ALSO you should re-read the link you posted.... it says ppl are making fent pills look like oxys and ppl are falling out from em cause oxys are weaker and they dont know how much their taking... so his addiction is to fentanyl not fake oxys... kinda like the other part of my OP that talked about how dope in pittsbugh was cut with fentanyl and killing ppl... no one was saying ohhh theres fake dope killing ppl... they were saying where the fuk can i get some cause everyone round here knows that shit will rock your socks off.... for fucks sake, i thought you canucks were suspose to be smart or some shit....

 

[cj]

Methadone sounds like a good option for your friend. I would encourage him to pursue that.

 

[Jan108]

Ok, once again you missed my point. In CANADA, at least the province I'm from, they call them fake oxy. Yes, it's fentanyl, but this is what WE call them here. I'm well aware they're stronger than oxy, that is the street name they go by here in my neck of the woods. Not gonna argue that point with you as we are in different locations and I'm sure it's called differently where you are. Not really understanding why you're hell bent on arguing and calling me ignorant. I'm just telling you what we call them here. Nothing more, nothing less. Geeze... From what I'm seeing, you're the ignorant one who apparently has this need to be right. Your hostility and name calling is uncalled for buddy. Get over yourself.

And really for every study and professional opinion, you can find one to debunk it. So I really don't care what your professionals in your detox told you, I posted this to maybe have a discussion and help me to understand some things, not to argue with a know it all junkie.

Good grief.

*edited to add, yes, he thinks that will help him too. He has an appointment at a clinic on Monday so hoping he can get started right away.

 

[cook]

Lot of babies born dependent, im not aware of any long term study about them but would guess that messing up with endogenous opioid system of early brain could have long term consequences.

But he was not born addicted but dependent. Addiction is behavior that is learned later if they find out that some substance/other unhealthy activity eases their pain or whatever negative they might be experiencing. So dependence does not automatically result in addiction just to clarify some concepts

Not to mention that if their mother is an addict and having lots of trouble they might have difficulties in their relationship early which also could predispose them. Look at Gabor Mate and addiction, he has a theory how stressed parents predispose their children.

 

[pill_billy]

Lot of babies born dependent, im not aware of any long term study about them but would guess that messing up with endogenous opioid system of early brain could have long term consequences.

But he was not born addicted but dependent. Addiction is behavior that is learned later if they find out that some substance/other unhealthy activity eases their pain or whatever negative they might be experiencing. So dependence does not automatically result in addiction just to clarify some concepts

Not to mention that if their mother is an addict and having lots of trouble they might have difficulties in their relationship early which also could predispose them. Look at Gabor Mate and addiction, he has a theory how stressed parents predispose their children.

well said...

Ok, once again you missed my point. In CANADA, at least the province I'm from, they call them fake oxy. Yes, it's fentanyl, but this is what WE call them here. I'm well aware they're stronger than oxy, that is the street name they go by here in my neck of the woods. Not gonna argue that point with you as we are in different locations and I'm sure it's called differently where you are. Not really understanding why you're hell bent on arguing and calling me ignorant. I'm just telling you what we call them here. Nothing more, nothing less. Geeze... From what I'm seeing, you're the ignorant one who apparently has this need to be right. Your hostility and name calling is uncalled for buddy. Get over yourself.

And really for every study and professional opinion, you can find one to debunk it. So I really don't care what your professionals in your detox told you, I posted this to maybe have a discussion and help me to understand some things, not to argue with a know it all junkie.

Good grief.

*edited to add, yes, he thinks that will help him too. He has an appointment at a clinic on Monday so hoping he can get started right away.

well i find it beyond annoying when ppl call a substance something it isnt... and think its fucking ignorant (esp when that person doesnt even use the substance)... just like when ppl call research chemicals, fake weed or legal pot... sooo just because everyone else is calling them fake oxys doesnt mean you should...

and there are a handful of scientists who well tell you there is no such thing as global warming, does that make it not true when the other 98% say it is happening? you said that your not an addict have little experience with drugs, so when you tell me that what numerous people have told me is not true, then you sound like a dip shit... mostly cause you have no idea what the fuck your talking about... sooo yea i do have an urge to prove my point esp when i know what im talking about... im not just going on gereral opion or what seems to make sense, these are doctors and specalists who have devoted their lives to the field of addiction treatment...

 

[Jan108]

well i find it beyond annoying when ppl call a substance something it isnt... and think its fucking ignorant (esp when that person doesnt even use the substance)...

Well I think it's fucking ignorant that you ASSume that I've never used the substance. I have it in my home you idiot, I've done it numerous times with him, the only difference is I don't NEED it, I can take it or leave it. Actually, I find you fucking ignorant (and very hostile for some reason).

I really don't give a flying fuck what you think, I know many people here who are into all kinds of drugs, and every single fucking one of them call it 'fake oxy'. Just cuz you don't like it or agree with it, don't make it wrong, untrue or whatever is going on in that ignorant head of yours. This IS what it is called here. Even the fucking dealers call it that, so how about you back the fuck off a bit here and quit trying to prove you're right, I'm wrong, or whatever the fuck your problem is.

I am not an addict, and it's true, I have very little experience with the harder drugs, but that doesn't mean I don't do drugs, I just don't have an issue with them, I've done a fair amount of drugs in my time, but have never done stuff like H and have no desire to. Who the fuck are you to judge someone you know sweet fuck all about? My daughter is a dealer, my brother is a dealer, I have many friends who are into all kinds of drugs, shit, even my 17 year old son is a pothead, so I am around it often. So if you wanna call me a dipshit, you go right ahead, but it speaks volumes about you, what you are and your holier than thou bullshit.

I had very little experience with the fake oxy prior to this (and I will continue to call it that because that IS what it's called here) and addictions around it. I've been around addicts before, but never to the extent I am now. I came here to learn and to maybe find ways to understand and help my friend better. There's no crime in that. So how about you quit fucking responding to me because I really don't care for any more of your anger and hostility.

I've found the majority of the people here to be very helpful and nice here, but you, sir, are an ignorant asshole that needs to get a fucking grip on your anger issues.

Apologies to anyone else I've offended here, but this idiot came out with guns blazing and name calling and I wont stand for it from some know it all, self righteous little puke when all I'm doing is trying to learn to help a friend.

 

[pill_billy]

lol... well yall feel free to call it what ya want... if ya come down to the states and try and do that yall get laughed at...

also you do reaize oxys, fentanyl, H its all the same shit... ones made from natural shit and the other ones are synthetic...

and you dont wana get into a dick measuring contest about knowing dealers, my city is in a great spot nationally, we get dealers from detroit, philly, pitt, nyc, dc, and bmore... so if you n yours wana come kick it some time il show ya some WVA hospitality, im actually not mean but when ppl say dumb shit it jst rubs me the wrong way.... mabe since yall canadian mabe ya took it the wrong way....

ALSO oxycontin was first introduced into my state before anywhere else in the world... it was targeted to coal miners so the could work longer hours, literally i was doin the shit over ten years ago

 

[nygiants1313]

Well I think it's fucking ignorant that you ASSume that I've never used the substance. I have it in my home you idiot, I've done it numerous times with him, the only difference is I don't NEED it, I can take it or leave it. Actually, I find you fucking ignorant (and very hostile for some reason).

I really don't give a flying fuck what you think, I know many people here who are into all kinds of drugs, and every single fucking one of them call it 'fake oxy'. Just cuz you don't like it or agree with it, don't make it wrong, untrue or whatever is going on in that ignorant head of yours. This IS what it is called here. Even the fucking dealers call it that, so how about you back the fuck off a bit here and quit trying to prove you're right, I'm wrong, or whatever the fuck your problem is.

I am not an addict, and it's true, I have very little experience with the harder drugs, but that doesn't mean I don't do drugs, I just don't have an issue with them, I've done a fair amount of drugs in my time, but have never done stuff like H and have no desire to. Who the fuck are you to judge someone you know sweet fuck all about? My daughter is a dealer, my brother is a dealer, I have many friends who are into all kinds of drugs, shit, even my 17 year old son is a pothead, so I am around it often. So if you wanna call me a dipshit, you go right ahead, but it speaks volumes about you, what you are and your holier than thou bullshit.

I had very little experience with the fake oxy prior to this (and I will continue to call it that because that IS what it's called here) and addictions around it. I've been around addicts before, but never to the extent I am now. I came here to learn and to maybe find ways to understand and help my friend better. There's no crime in that. So how about you quit fucking responding to me because I really don't care for any more of your anger and hostility.

I've found the majority of the people here to be very helpful and nice here, but you, sir, are an ignorant asshole that needs to get a fucking grip on your anger issues.

Apologies to anyone else I've offended here, but this idiot came out with guns blazing and name calling and I wont stand for it from some know it all, self righteous little puke when all I'm doing is trying to learn to help a friend.

Your a fucking idiot. Plain and simple . Not really worth writing any more . Peace

 

[P.o.T.u.S]

^ give the guy a fucking break u ppl get all bent outta shape when your feelings get hurt on the internet..no one knows everything

 

[nygiants1313]

Lol feelings arent hurt there prez. Its the fact he THINKS he knows everything because he has oxy in his medicine cabinet and has used it before haha. Pill billy is spot on and this dude pretty much wont listen to what anyone has to say. As i said he knows it all because he has oxycodone or whatever in his cabinet and has used drugs. Fuk outta here.

 

[pill_billy]

yea i love when ppl ask a question n when they get an answer they get all pissy cause you tell em they are makin themselves look foolish... shit if they know so many dealers n spend all this time around addicts why the fuk not just ask them?? lol hell ask a junkie a question they gona give you an ear full... but it is canada soo nuff said...

 

[herbavore]

Hey guys--let's keep it a discussion and not an argument. Discussions are defined as hearing different points of view, considering them and stating where you do and do not agree. No one here is an asshole (well, maybe more accurately we can all be assholes at times ). Maybe it's because I'm old that I can look back and see how many times in my life I have been wrong but at the time thought I was right and was pretty damn passionate about it. Now I can't see much of anything as wrong or right--just different perspectives from where a person is at a given time and place in their own lives.

Sooooo.... carry on nicely......

 

[Erikmen]

yea i love when ppl ask a question n when they get an answer they get all pissy cause you tell em they are makin themselves look foolish... shit if they know so many dealers n spend all this time around addicts why the fuk not just ask them?? lol hell ask a junkie a question they gona give you an ear full... but it is canada soo nuff said...

What´s your problem man, you have been posting sharply against anything that you think it´s Canadian. Basically in all threads. Not that I give a shit, but why don´t you maybe visit to the lounge?

Back to the point: I suppose It stays with you all the time. First because it´s coming from your mother, so blood related. Also because, if have gone through this, you may have a good chance if you never try, but once addicted, it´s only gonna be more difficult to cope. At the end, I believe whoever tries opiates will end up in the same place. You will always think about it. And have to spend life avoiding what you enjoy most. Big challenge IMO.

I feel bad when you go to a site searching for help and you get such odd insulting responses, not at all what I believe BL stands for.