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My pain meds & heroin help please!!

VictorZ06

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Hi guys,

Got a big problem here. One that came to me real fast without me even seeing it. I have been on 32mg of hydromorphone (Dilaudid). I have some sever back problems and that is what my doc has had me on for a very long time. It's my only path to pain relief....feeling of my legs, less pain in my back. Back to my problem. My back pain became a lot worse when I was hit with a case of anemia. 32mg was not enough, and my doctor correctly did not give me any more or another opiate. Dilaudid was the only medicine that provided relief without nasty sides unlike other opiate meds.

So, instead of taking my D orally, my ROA soon became via IV. (all with the correct precautions) I was using it via IV for a little bit more than a year. And I honestly don't regret changing my ROA....it worked better and faster, and my pain went away quicker and for longer periods of time. I would feel my legs instantly. The pains in my back would be gone in seconds. I don't regret doing that. What I DO REGRET, is using heroin in times of great need.

I used to do a little MMA, and from time to time I would have a match. Maybe one every 2-3 months. I called it quits after a real bad injury to my back. The pain was insane. I was using more D than I was prescribed, running low and short at the end of the month. It was terrible. My wife at the same time left me (for different reasons, nothing related), I was very depressed and with the combination of both my physical pain and mental pain led me to use heroin. A couple of bags a day....sometimes 4-8. Depending on how I felt. I was never looking to have fun with heroin, I just wanted relief of pain fellas. Honest. I know it is wrong and I am to blame for the boat that I am in. I take full responsibility.

I need to stay on the Dilaudid. With that said, I want to never touch heroin again. I have done a lot of research, but seeing as how I want to remain on the Dilaudid (because I need it to be a normal person), I don't know what the best way to stop is. I tried cold turkey, and I failed. The sides where far too much for me to handle. I am on xanax (8mg) and seroquil (200mg) every day to begin with. I was also using grass to try and help with the sides. I kept making that phone call. I looked into sub and meth meds, I don't know which one to use or how much to take. My dose I imagine might differ than a regular H user because I am still going to be on the Dilaudid. I'm also going to have a problem getting a script for both sub/meth and my regular dose of Dilaudid. I can use just H and not use the Dilaudid. I came up with an idea, not sure if it will work, but I wanted to run it by you guys.

My idea was to continue my use of H for another 2 months. And in that time, save up my D so that I have an extra good amount. Stop the H and just use higher doses of D to help with the H sides?? Will much higher doses of D help with the WD? I can't find answers because all the material that I read is for people who want to come clean of all opiates. Lastly, I'm scared that if I ask for a script of sub/meth, my doc will no longer give me the Dilaudid that I need. Shall I go get the script from another doc? Look for a clinic? Given my odd and different surcumstances, what is your best advice in getting rid of this evil substance out of my life without going through the excrusiating pain of WD....or at least make it tolerable?? HELP!

Thanks in advance fellas. Would you believe I was a semi pro body builder at one time? Now I'm a man in pain all day, with a heroin habit, who just lost his wife and job. I'm doing my best to turn everything around. I'm still hurting both physically and emotionally. My anxiety attacks are more frequent. Basically a total mess....I don't want to give up, but I think the first place to start is to get this H out of my life.
 
Will my doc give me both Dilaudid and Methadone? Tell him I want to try and quit the Dilaudid and see if I can live without taking it? I'm worried about telling him because he is my primary MD, not a pain management doctor. I went to them, they told me operate or take meds. I chose the latter and my primary MD now fills my meds, not a Pain Management doctor. Been there done that. I just don't want to burn the bridge of my primary prescribing me more Dilaudid if I tell him what a stupid thing I went ahead and did. He might just tell me to go back to the pain doc I was seeing many years ago. Ugh...


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i believe if you went to the doctor and asked for both of those prescriptions he would stop giving you medication and see you as a drug seeker, or someone with a problem, or both.

saying you need dilaudid to function/be normal just says to me that you're best suited for a suboxone doctor or a MMT clinic. i think you should explore this option more than you have in the past. you don't determine your own dosage info, a doctor who's educated on doing so will be in charge of that.

i don't know for certain, but this is my own opinion, coming from someone who was also using painkillers for pain and not to have fun.
 
i believe if you went to the doctor and asked for both of those prescriptions he would stop giving you medication and see you as a drug seeker, or someone with a problem, or both.

saying you need dilaudid to function/be normal just says to me that you're best suited for a suboxone doctor or a MMT clinic. i think you should explore this option more than you have in the past. you don't determine your own dosage info, a doctor who's educated on doing so will be in charge of that.

i don't know for certain, but this is my own opinion, coming from someone who was also using painkillers for pain and not to have fun.

I have a great deal of back problems, I have seen several pain management doctors and specialists and it all boils down to one thing. Live life with PT and meds, or risk having a series of operations. Loading my back with metal rods, screws, bolts, etc., just scares the crap out of me....especially when told how many months of rehab I will need and that it might very well not work and end up doing more damage than good.

My pain doctors found my dose for pain management, not me. They gave me a series of different pain meds, and Dilaudid was what worked the best for me. My doctor has seen my MRIs and has read reports from other doctors and I have known my doctor since I was a child. He knows I'm not a "drug seeker". He's a good friend of the family, comes over for holidays, and I even dated his daughter. I know how important it is to be honest with your doctor, but I can't tell him that I have been using H because of the excess pain that is both physical and mental. I'm going to start Kratom as well. I am torn between methadone and suboxone. I see methadone has a reputation for working well....if used correctly. I read that it can be kicked in as little as 10 days with little discomfort. I really can't do the surgery....I know someone who had similar problems and had the surgeries and is now in far wost condition and takes a lot more meds. My goal is to just get back on the Dilaudid without the H....with minimal WD effects. Thanks.


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i'm sorry i don't have the most effective advice on this situation really. kratom is wonderful though, it's helped me a lot with my cervical pain where percocet wouldn't even touch it. it's pretty cool that you're so close with your doctor, i guess that definitely changes things. hopefully someone here who's more knowledgeable on the situation can chime in. i'm pretty sure i've heard of people using subs for pain and even as part of their regular pain med regimine. i may have heard wrong but it's worth looking into. best of luck.
 
i'm sorry i don't have the most effective advice on this situation really. kratom is wonderful though, it's helped me a lot with my cervical pain where percocet wouldn't even touch it. it's pretty cool that you're so close with your doctor, i guess that definitely changes things. hopefully someone here who's more knowledgeable on the situation can chime in. i'm pretty sure i've heard of people using subs for pain and even as part of their regular pain med regimine. i may have heard wrong but it's worth looking into. best of luck.

Thanks for you efforts to help me. Hopefully someone can chime in here and give me some sound advice. Thank you though!!!




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Your doc will see you as a drug seeker,he has a responsibility to record/report it. I doubt he will risk losing his license just because he is a family friend.
As far as suboxone...it does help but you cannot do any other opiates with it and it is a MFer to kick! Methadone will also help get you off the H but don't be fooled,the withdrawals are just as bad as any other opiate in my experience and not sounding like I know everything but I do have 34 years of use and have tried everything to kick opiates. Finally being laid up in a hospital for two months with my chest split open did do the trick. I am still taking Oxy but only what is prescribed.
Embrace the suck and taper off the H...you CAN do it! Trust me, trying it the way you want never works,well maybe it has for a few people but usually it does not.
I wish you the best and will be praying for you!
 
Thank you. I just want the process to go smoothly. I'm just having trouble figuring out my protocol since I still plan to remain on my Dilaudid. With all the research I have done, I think if I had a month supply of methadone, I could kick it myself along with the help of Kratom. Getting the methadone is going to be tricky. If I go to another doctor for pain management, he will know I am on Dilaudid. Thanks for the thoughts and prayers though....it's hard to believe I reached this point in my life. All I wanted was to be pain free. Not get high and go to a rave. I need to get back on my feet again, working so that I can provide and raise a family. That's all I kept saying myself every time I tried to quit. Than....I would say to myself. Fuck it.....I'll finish what I have and get on methadone somehow. I think if I'm careful, I won't get addicted to the methadone if I'm taking my Dilaudid. I have read of taking high doses of methadone for short periods of time, and I have read of taking lower doses of methadone for a longer period of time. Shit has me all confused. I think I might just tell my doctor that I met someone that used methadone for a month and his doses for his other pain meds were less than half afterwards. I have to make my doctor think the script for methadone is for my pain.....he won't give it to me so I can try and kick a habit. That is law here. And I don't use drugs anymore, I became a health freak a dozen years ago when I thought about competing in body building shows....as well as doing MMA. Maybe a little grass at the end of a long training session to relax. But no hard drugs. I'm so pissed I got myself into this mess....I should have just swallowed up the pain. But the H worked so well.....never thought that evil bitch would get such a hold on me. I can order the Kratom on line....getting the methadone is going to be my problem now.
 
If you mention sub or methadone, you will DEFINITELY not get your dilaudid. Not only is it a direct contradiction to medical practice, but dilaudid won't do anything with bupe or methadone in your system.
 
If you mention sub or methadone, you will DEFINITELY not get your dilaudid. Not only is it a direct contradiction to medical practice, but dilaudid won't do anything with bupe or methadone in your system.

What if I go back to the doctor after I get my D script and tell him I want to try a different kind of pain medicine that worked wonders for my friend. Tell him I would like to try it for a month and see what effects it has on my back problems? I mean....methadone is used to treat pain, right? It's not only for WD from H.



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I would approach it extremely cautiously. In a doctors eye, you shouldn't even have knowledge of the other drug options out there. They need to feel in complete control and once you start trying to manipulate their decisions for you in anyway they'll pull the plug and call you an addict.
 
I would approach it extremely cautiously. In a doctors eye, you shouldn't even have knowledge of the other drug options out there. They need to feel in complete control and once you start trying to manipulate their decisions for you in anyway they'll pull the plug and call you an addict.

See.....I live in the USA and in Europe. Most of the time in the USA. I can tell one doctor that the other doctor "suggested" I try method "X" for a month. They do not communicate....all they have seen from one and other are MRI films and reports from other doctors. I can tell my US doctor the my European doctor said to try "this"....just a thought?? What say you? Thank you for your help.


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Forgive my wording. The only advice I want is a dosing protocol, I'll worry about the doctors. I just want to know how much to take, how long to take it, etc. If I asked for advice on something taboo, please forgive me and mods/admins please delete. I just want to kick the H habit, and using methadone for a month or so while tapering off seems like the way to go given the research I have done. The fact that I will still be taking Dilaudid for my pain is what confuses me when it comes to doses of methadone etc. Again, thank you.



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The thing is if you take methadone, the dilaudid won't even be doing anything. Mixing opiates doesn't really work because the one with the stronger affinity will bind and the other one will just float away into the void. So you'd have to either be on one or the other
 
I thought if I stopped the Dilaudid for a month or so, used the methadone instead to kick the H....than get back on the Dilaudid? I'll just deal with my back and leg pain as best as I can??? Would that work? And who knows, maybe I can start the D at a lower dose than I am on now? This is so frustrating....maybe I'll just give it a shot with Kratom tea and Tramadol. But I understand that methadone makes is almost painless and works best for WD.



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