I am on day 17 of a cold turkey detox. The first two weeks were so bad. Chills, sweating, diarrhea, crawling skin, tremors, insomnia, restless legs i wanted to cut off. I recently had a car accident with no insurance and then lost my license and lost my home cause my ex kicked me out. I had a bad addiction to any painkiller and used for over 10 years and started a clinic 3 years ago. Methodone withdrawal is the hardest thing i ever have done. I didnt use anything but elimidrol and i think it helped but its no miracle drug cause i still felt horrible but it did make me feel a liitle better i think. Im laying here cant sleep and i just wonder does it ever stop. The chills are always wit:h me now and i dont sleep much but i still havent missed work through this.my kid depends on me. He is my motivation right now and i ride a bike to work in the cold. Life isnt easy.
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From 105 mg of methadone to cold turkey
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methamaniac
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I feel for ya?
Hardest thing I have ever done too.
Yes, it stops I promise.
Im about 4 months in from a 75 mg jump.
I noticed around day 21 or so I was sleeping a little more. Seemed to start getting better then but there were days of set backs. Md wds are cyclic and come in waves.
You'll notice big differences around the 30, 60, 90 day mark.
Sorry I cant tell you exactly because there are a lot of factors that play in.
I can say I am feeling better and better every week now.
Hang in there.
Your kid is lucky to have ya.
Hardest thing I have ever done too.
Yes, it stops I promise.
Im about 4 months in from a 75 mg jump.
I noticed around day 21 or so I was sleeping a little more. Seemed to start getting better then but there were days of set backs. Md wds are cyclic and come in waves.
You'll notice big differences around the 30, 60, 90 day mark.
Sorry I cant tell you exactly because there are a lot of factors that play in.
I can say I am feeling better and better every week now.
Hang in there.
Your kid is lucky to have ya.
cj
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It will gradually get better after the 25-30 day mark
Sending love
.. I jumped a huge habit as well. I didn't sleep for almost two weeks. Was in acutes for like seven weeks. Had PAWS for some months.
Im now almost two and a half years completely opiate free. I feal better than I have in my whole life.
The acutes will pass.. and your going to make it. Nothing back there but a free start at the begining of the hell you have been pushing through, Nice work too!!
It only feels permanent. In a little while you will feal better. In a little while after that your opiate receptors will be retracted back to where they sprouted from. Then you will be through the PAWS. That frozen icy sunburn bullshit will go away. Your sleep will return to normal. The restless legs will wave goodbye. The fatigue will eventually leave. Your brain will work again.. and after ten years of being operated up your going to be amazed at how it performs.. its like going from a junk picked scooter to a new sports car.
Keep pushing.. your doing great. It get better and your going to make it to when it does!!!
If you can I would get into see a doctor and have your vitamine D levels checked and your testosterone levels checked. TRT can really help with withdrawls and PAWS from methadone.
Low vitamin d status of patients in methadone maintenance treatment.
Hypogonadism and Low Testosterone Levels as a Side Effect of Methadone and Buprenorphine
Opioid-Induced Endocrinopathy
.. I jumped a huge habit as well. I didn't sleep for almost two weeks. Was in acutes for like seven weeks. Had PAWS for some months. Im now almost two and a half years completely opiate free. I feal better than I have in my whole life.
The acutes will pass.. and your going to make it. Nothing back there but a free start at the begining of the hell you have been pushing through, Nice work too!!
It only feels permanent. In a little while you will feal better. In a little while after that your opiate receptors will be retracted back to where they sprouted from. Then you will be through the PAWS. That frozen icy sunburn bullshit will go away. Your sleep will return to normal. The restless legs will wave goodbye. The fatigue will eventually leave. Your brain will work again.. and after ten years of being operated up your going to be amazed at how it performs.. its like going from a junk picked scooter to a new sports car.
Keep pushing.. your doing great. It get better and your going to make it to when it does!!!
If you can I would get into see a doctor and have your vitamine D levels checked and your testosterone levels checked. TRT can really help with withdrawls and PAWS from methadone.
Low vitamin d status of patients in methadone maintenance treatment.
Hypogonadism and Low Testosterone Levels as a Side Effect of Methadone and Buprenorphine
Opioid-Induced Endocrinopathy
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Thank you all so much. I cant control my emotions anymore either. I screwed my sons life up for so long putting my addiction before everything. I will never go back. Ill die before thatll happen. You have to have a reason to go through all this and its more money. Ive lost so many jobs cause of this horrible addiction. Those counselors at the clinic dont know. If youve never had a bad addiction you dont know what youll do to get your drug. I ruined my life but thats over now. No more addiction. Im in control.
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If you have made it this far thru the wds I have zero doubt you will make it the rest of the way.
Now that I am coming out of the tunnel (almost 4 months) Im glad I went thru such a horrifying experience. Its what I needed to know without a doubt im done using. Ive said it before but this is a whole other ball game now. Ive had enough.
I tap out lol
Your emotions will balance out soon. After a month or so I noticed I was laughing and able at least enjoy some the day. That first month was hard. Now my overall mood is very good.
Stay away from anyone using no matter who it is.
and keep it simple.
Godspeed
If you have made it this far thru the wds I have zero doubt you will make it the rest of the way.
Now that I am coming out of the tunnel (almost 4 months) Im glad I went thru such a horrifying experience. Its what I needed to know without a doubt im done using. Ive said it before but this is a whole other ball game now. Ive had enough.
I tap out lol
Your emotions will balance out soon. After a month or so I noticed I was laughing and able at least enjoy some the day. That first month was hard. Now my overall mood is very good.
Stay away from anyone using no matter who it is.
and keep it simple.
Godspeed
ozzmosis Quit being so hard on yourself.. stop holding yourself up to the standards of a GOD. Come join the rest of us fuckups..
I think last count there was over 7.125 billion, thats 7,125,000,000 fuck ups and growing on this plannet. We fuck up all day long, sometimes we even choose to fuck up. I've probably made more mistakes before breakfast than most people make in a weak. Thats alright though, becasue there is a reward for fucking up allot. We get really wise.
Show me someone who lives their life without fucking up and I will be looking at a very uneventful simpleton life, but in reality I would be looking at a fantasy
We fuck up so we learn and experience different things. It what were supposed to do and why we are hear.
Forgive yourself, Give yourself some love for once. Throw all that guilt and shame out the window of a rocket ship. Its not warented or justified, it does no good and drives use. The same area of your brain that produces the addictive drives controls your emotions. Thats right.. What a sneeky fucking basterd your uncosciouse is. It drives you to do all these things and then it makes you feal guilty and shameful for all the things it made you do. The reason it does this is to try and drive you to do more things you would never do. Addiction is a totall mind fuck.. Learn how it works and you will no longer get played by it. Start to study how it works. Then you can start to recognize its manipulations. Once you recognize the manipulations you can reach up and start cutting the puppet strings it uses on us. Cut enough and you can string up the puppeteer with its own strings.
Take a read through this thread and please read the linked chapter about the divided self. Your the rider and the elephant is the addict. Stop holding the guilt and shame the elephant deserves. Forgive your elephant.. It may be powerful, but its incredibly stupid, has the maturity of a toddler, is whole self centered, has no concept of good and bad, has no concept of the future or consequences, is a huge baby that thinks its a god, thinks it indestructible, and is a huge bully while also being a total wimp. Forgive it.
The Brain and Addiction
Then come join the human race, im sure we all will still be totally fucking up
We have to keep our thoughts in the present. If we slip into the past we can get hit by very strong resentment. anger, guilt, shame, etc. If we jump into the future we can get slammed with fear, anxiety, self doubt, hopelessness, etc.
So we have to keep our thoughts in today, in the moment. Addicts and people in general are always stuck in the past or all wrapped up in the future. Today is all we ever have and if we arent ever here we miss it.
Mindfulness is a great way to start to do this. Here is the mindfulness thread.
Here is some information on the next challenge you will likely encounter. You may consider reading up and making a strong plan to address this if it comes. It certainly was very strong for me. I would not start exercising untill the acutes are over as it can make things worse.
PAWS LINKS
Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki
Exercise and Brain Neurotransmission
Neurobiology of Exercise
Exercise 4 Health, Mental Health, and Addiction vs. I worked all that out
exercise and sleep
Chemicals and supplements to recover from opiate addiction
Diet & Neurogenesis
it is a powerful thing to keep our thoughts possitive and here are some threads many of us use to help us do this.
Managing depressive thinking
Good things about being off drugs/getting sober
Share something POSITIVE from your day!
Today I Am Thankful For... Ver. 3: Earth, Wind and Fire!
Anhedonia MEGA Thread
Let us know how your doing if you drop in
Quit being so hard on yourself.. stop holding yourself up to the standards of a GOD. Come join the rest of us fuckups.. I think last count there was over 7.125 billion, thats 7,125,000,000 fuck ups and growing on this plannet. We fuck up all day long, sometimes we even choose to fuck up. I've probably made more mistakes before breakfast than most people make in a weak. Thats alright though, becasue there is a reward for fucking up allot. We get really wise.
Show me someone who lives their life without fucking up and I will be looking at a very uneventful simpleton life, but in reality I would be looking at a fantasy
We fuck up so we learn and experience different things. It what were supposed to do and why we are hear.
Forgive yourself, Give yourself some love for once. Throw all that guilt and shame out the window of a rocket ship. Its not warented or justified, it does no good and drives use. The same area of your brain that produces the addictive drives controls your emotions. Thats right.. What a sneeky fucking basterd your uncosciouse is. It drives you to do all these things and then it makes you feal guilty and shameful for all the things it made you do. The reason it does this is to try and drive you to do more things you would never do. Addiction is a totall mind fuck.. Learn how it works and you will no longer get played by it. Start to study how it works. Then you can start to recognize its manipulations. Once you recognize the manipulations you can reach up and start cutting the puppet strings it uses on us. Cut enough and you can string up the puppeteer with its own strings.
Take a read through this thread and please read the linked chapter about the divided self. Your the rider and the elephant is the addict. Stop holding the guilt and shame the elephant deserves. Forgive your elephant.. It may be powerful, but its incredibly stupid, has the maturity of a toddler, is whole self centered, has no concept of good and bad, has no concept of the future or consequences, is a huge baby that thinks its a god, thinks it indestructible, and is a huge bully while also being a total wimp. Forgive it.
The Brain and Addiction
Then come join the human race, im sure we all will still be totally fucking up
We have to keep our thoughts in the present. If we slip into the past we can get hit by very strong resentment. anger, guilt, shame, etc. If we jump into the future we can get slammed with fear, anxiety, self doubt, hopelessness, etc.
So we have to keep our thoughts in today, in the moment. Addicts and people in general are always stuck in the past or all wrapped up in the future. Today is all we ever have and if we arent ever here we miss it.
Mindfulness is a great way to start to do this. Here is the mindfulness thread.
Here is some information on the next challenge you will likely encounter. You may consider reading up and making a strong plan to address this if it comes. It certainly was very strong for me. I would not start exercising untill the acutes are over as it can make things worse.
PAWS LINKS
Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki
Exercise and Brain Neurotransmission
Neurobiology of Exercise
Exercise 4 Health, Mental Health, and Addiction vs. I worked all that out
exercise and sleep
Chemicals and supplements to recover from opiate addiction
Diet & Neurogenesis
it is a powerful thing to keep our thoughts possitive and here are some threads many of us use to help us do this.
Managing depressive thinking
Good things about being off drugs/getting sober
Share something POSITIVE from your day!
Today I Am Thankful For... Ver. 3: Earth, Wind and Fire!
Anhedonia MEGA Thread
Let us know how your doing if you drop in
MissBehavin'_416
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I am so proud of you.
Last night i told my family for the first time what my real addiction was. Im on day 20 and so many people never knew i used. My dirty little secret. The people that did never told anyone close to me cause i knew there dirt. I can go to a 30 day detox now but when id come back id have to find a job again so i must push on and do this myself. Every morning i have chills. Just tired very tired. Thanks for the inspiration. I got to snap out of it. Feel so depressed
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Yeah, just keep pushing. Honestly it doesn't sound that bad. You're still able to go to work. I know I wouldn't be able to. Keep strong.
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That is a fucking brave/reckless/unhinged dose to ct from, my hat's off to you if you can work through this!
Got to give yourself a pat on the back for having the strength to get this far, probably going to drag on for a good while yet but you're through the worst of it.
Got to give yourself a pat on the back for having the strength to get this far, probably going to drag on for a good while yet but you're through the worst of it.
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I can't believe you're working through that, when I've slipped in to wd from an 80mgpd habit in the past it totally and utterly crippled me. Like curled up in the fetal position vomiting every couple of minutes crippled. I couldn't have worked through it with all the will power in the world, it just would have been physically impossible.
I would take the 30 day detox in a second. If you can get your son looked after whilst you go away then I would say anything that increases the likelihood of the detox being a success in the long run is path to go down. Might be slightly more awkward short-term but if it means you're more likely to come out the other side clean then that might be a sacrifice worth making.
I would take the 30 day detox in a second. If you can get your son looked after whilst you go away then I would say anything that increases the likelihood of the detox being a success in the long run is path to go down. Might be slightly more awkward short-term but if it means you're more likely to come out the other side clean then that might be a sacrifice worth making.
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One thing I will say is don't be so sure it will mean losing your job.
Maybe you are thinking right, but often you will be surprised by how accomodating people will be. If you're a good employee and show a desire to put right your personal problems then many people/firms will support you through the problem. Maybe you do work for somewhere that won't give you the time off (retroactively disciplining you for being intoxicated at work will be impossible unless you choose to provide evidence against yourself), but in a lot of cases it makes no sense to fire you if you are a good worker and show desire to change. Supporting the person through things and getting them in the fold healthy and better than before is the sensible course of action really rather than trying to find and ttrain a new person, and many people will recognise that.
Maybe you are thinking right, but often you will be surprised by how accomodating people will be. If you're a good employee and show a desire to put right your personal problems then many people/firms will support you through the problem. Maybe you do work for somewhere that won't give you the time off (retroactively disciplining you for being intoxicated at work will be impossible unless you choose to provide evidence against yourself), but in a lot of cases it makes no sense to fire you if you are a good worker and show desire to change. Supporting the person through things and getting them in the fold healthy and better than before is the sensible course of action really rather than trying to find and ttrain a new person, and many people will recognise that.
cj
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I don't think detox would be worth it at this point. May as well ride it out the worst should be over in the next 2 weeks. After that I recommend you get on some anti-depressants cause PAWS is what most people can't get through.
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I would say exactly the opposite. Take the detox if you can make it happen for you and don't assume you're going to get PAWS at all because not everyone gets it by any stretch of the imagination. I certainly wouldn't pre-emptively fuck with my brain chemistry on the assumption I will.
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Since you are starting to get sleep I would give it some more time. I found that nutritional shakes where a good solution to the eating thing. I would just drink like two or thee a day and just guzzle them as I had no appetite or more like a reverse appetite.
I was not working, but i had many responsibilities and never stopped going. I ended up going to waterparks (the hot cold phenomenon there was insane from a 100f to what ever the water was is a very crazy experience for someone in acute methadone withdrawls basically roasting to frozen instantly), pro sports games, museums, fishing, hiking, etc etc. After a few months I got a job that was pretty labor intensive. I think the constant movement on external stimulation helped a great deal. Even though I jumped such a huge habit I was through the whole thing in right around five months. This is quite a bit less than what I have seen with many other people who have come off equal or significantly less habits. I would say the average is seven months.
Its great news that you were able to sleep. I didn't sleep for like two weeks. Then I slept for four or less hours a night until the opiate receptors were retracted around 5 months there. Then all the sudden I slept for like fourteen hours a night for three days and when i woke up I was pretty much through. I had some fatigue for a few moths longer, but not much.
Keep pushing your doing great!
Its hard very hard every day. My aftermath follows me through phone calls to my son, through the day to day life. One thing i know is even if i felt horrible everyday i still refuse to go back to where i was. I fight everyday and will continue to. Ive seen so many people beat there addiction. Too bad there isnt a easy way. Day 22. Oh and oh my god i cant stop sneezing