On a side-note, which 4 substituted tryptamine do you like best, and how dissimilar is it from 4-ho-mipt?
I had a different response written to this before but I deleted it because I didn't quite fully agree with it in the end.... It's pretty hard to pick a favorite honestly, and believe me I've tried often. Let me see if I can try to explain my feelings about it all in a way that's satisfying this time....
First, let me say a little bit about my feelings about 4-HO-MiPT in relation to all this too. Though I do find it a bit reduced in effect from what I'm typically used to or going for with tryptamines, it does have the advantage of having an asymmetrical tail, which apparently is a good thing. Maybe it's just a coincidence, maybe there is some deeper consistent biological pattern to the difference, who knows? All I can say is that I'm not the first one to have noticed the symmetrical vs asymmetrical difference with tryptamines, and I've definitely preferred the latter so far. In simplistic terms, the primary differences between the 4-substituted ones that I personally have noticed are that the symmetrical ones seem to share a much higher magnitude of this one type of visionary imagery I get while meditating to an out-of-body state, and they often seem to leave me drifting into dream-like states, whereas the asymmetrical ones have less of this but instead seem to apply this really interesting filter to the visuals of people I get from each tryptamine at high enough doses, making them noticeably less 3D-looking than the visuals I usually get on the symmetrical ones, but also adding this really unique erotic twist to their design and the visuals around them which is accompanied by a greater degree of hedonistic euphoria. I really could go deeper into that too, and probably rethink parts of it here and there, but that's probably good enough for this time.... So, in relation to 4-HO-MiPT, even though it's a weaker hallucinogen in some more universal ways than the others for me, it still has that asymmetrical hedonistic vibe that I love, and its imagery is actually in some ways the most erotic of all of them still, so it's not like I don't still really appreciate it. While I really do enjoy exploring with all of these tryptamines too, in any typical mood I would probably still be more inclined to take 4-HO-MiPT than to go with something like mushrooms, 4-HO-DET, or 4-HO-DPT, which I would instead save for some deeper exploration.
So, the only 4-substituted tryptamines that I prefer to 4-HO-MiPT at the moment are the other asymmetricals that I've tried, being 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MPT, and 4-HO-EPT, in the order I tried them. When it comes to actually picking a best between these three, it can be pretty tough.... My first post was more about this actually. One of the issues is that in many ways they just represent very different uses of psychedelic drugs, as does 4-HO-MiPT for me from the rest of them. To try to make it as easy as possible, I'd say that 4-HO-MiPT for me is best used as something like a psychedelic empathogen, 4-HO-MET is like visuals out the wazoo to the point of full-blown hallucinations while still being an easygoing ride, 4-HO-MPT feels a lot like LSD or mushrooms and can cause a pretty heavy mind/self trip under the right circumstances, and 4-HO-EPT so far has not been that geometric, but has lots of hedonistic visions and some headspace not unlike the classics. There are honestly almost no circumstances under which I would consider any of them interchangeable lol. I will say that the largest reason I prefer all of them to 4-HO-MiPT is just because of the intensity disparity, I enjoy the empathogenic properties but am normally looking to mostly hallucinate, but I'll give a little bit deeper of a comparison of each of them to it too.
4-HO-MET I think has the closest visuals to 4-HO-MiPT of them, with a bit less intricate geometry but a lot more realistic imagery and also a lot more color and light, the visuals can be extremely obvious and intense even in bright light. It produces no confusing or mystical headspace for me even at high doses unlike 4-HO-MiPT, but it can be stimulating and a bit delirious depending on how far you push. The body high I find to a little bit piercing than 4-HO-MiPT's, but also less tense, which is actually true for all of these tryptamines, but I also find 4-HO-MET to produce a greater hedonistic euphoria, possibly the most purely recreational of any 4-substituted tryptamine actually, it's great fun. The duration for me I would say is probably also the closest to 4-HO-MiPT's.
4-HO-MPT is a bit more unique visually, it actually has some of the elements that 4-HO-MET has for me that 4-HO-MiPT doesn't have but lacks some of the ones it does, and also brings in a few more things like more mushroom-like geometric designs and more LSD-like cartoon imagery. I personally consider it to be the most visually interesting 4-substituted tryptamine I've tried so far, but it can sometimes be dimmer or less broadly colorful than 4-HO-MET, and it takes higher doses to reach the same level of intensity. The headspace it puts me in is very similar to higher doses of 4-HO-MiPT, except that whereas that to me feels like sort of a lighter, more easygoing version of an experience like LSD, this one does not feel reduced in any way. I have as much respect for 4-HO-MPT's ability to rock my ego as I do LSD's, and that's just not quite true of 4-HO-MiPT. However, 4-HO-MPT also produces even less of a body high than 4-HO-MET at the same dose, so it can make me feel kind of raw or exposed compared to 4-HO-MiPT especially, though it does have some stimulating euphoria as well, and at higher doses produces a buzzing body vibration similar to other strong tryptamines. I would say that its duration is the longest for me compared to 4-HO-MiPT's, but not by a huge amount still.
4-HO-EPT is definitely the most distinct from 4-HO-MiPT, for me so far it's barely even produced geometric imagery while at the same time producing far more intense and detailed visionary imagery, particularly with eyes closed. The visions I've gotten on it so far have actually been almost entirely the kind that I've gotten specifically on the asymmetrical tryptamines so far, and I am starting to grow pretty fond of it for that reason. The headspace was pretty easygoing at the lower dose but started to have a bit of the same stimulated disorientation as 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MPT at the higher dose, but at any dose there was also a distinct white light kind of thing going on, it is fairly dissociating at points but in a still fairly clearheaded way. The body high it provides is more subtle than most of these for me, but it does grow stronger over the course of the trip and by the end can actually feel pretty nice, and I'm betting it gets even better as the dose gets higher. This is overall definitely the most sedating of these tryptamines for me though, and I suppose kind of closer to 4-HO-MiPT in that way for me than either 4-HO-MET or 4-HO-MPT. Its duration also might actually a bit shorter than 4-HO-MiPT's for me, particularly for the span of time in which I actually significantly hallucinated.
So, I think that might be a bit better.... There really just are so many different things going on with these tryptamines though, like in addition to the symmetrical vs asymmetrical relationship there are different functional groups, like 4-HO-DET has a mind trip most similar to 4-HO-MET for me, 4-HO-DPT is most similar to 4-HO-EPT in that way, and so on, and then there are things like bulk groups such as similarities between 4-carbon tryptamines (4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MiPT, etc.) or 6-carbon tryptamines (4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-DiPT, etc.), there are just so many overlaps that it's almost impossible to just objectively rank them, it really just comes down to what you need when you need it. As I said before I really go in for the hallucinations, but even that doesn't necessarily help me much, because 4-HO-MET has the heaviest pure fun visual to any other effects ratio, 4-HO-MPT has the best mix of visuals and classic psychedelic headspace, and 4-HO-EPT has the most enjoyable and deep visionary effects I've had so far, so even with that the preference only gets you so far and you just end up having equally great options for very different scenarios. They really are each just amazingly unique molecules, no matter how many overlaps they all have.
Anyway, I hope this has all made sense and been informative!
