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EDIT: I just completely edited the shit out of this post since I was ranting when I first posted it which lacked lacked preciseness and was full of ambiguities . If you have read it and are interested in the content, I urge you to read it again.
So, I've had "MXP" (horrible acronym) only once before, but have taken diphenidine about ten times at high dosage levels, both exclusively via oral ROA due to lack of information about intravenous administration.
If you ask me the latter substance should be called dipheTidine since it's IUPAC name is DIPHenyl-EThylpiperIDINE, analog to what the term amphetamine is derived from, eventhough it's not IUPAC in that case (Alpha-Methyl-PHenyl-ETylAMINE. In fact, I dare call them by their only reasonable name in this thread from now on since there is no danger of confusing them with any other substances.
Anyway, I've been curious about IV'ing either of the 2-methoxylated and or the non-methoxylated diphetidine, since I have plenty of experience with IV dissociatives. I'd call them my DOC along with opiates. The last time I had taken them was in late August or early September (ketamine), so I abstained from them for close to 3 months before this experience -> No tolerance except for the chronic behavioural tolerance that follows every dissociative use. Material seemed clean, it came in colorless translucent crystals and I have always had very good experiences with the source! I had stored it for about half a year in a warm and humid place with high temperature fluctuations, but it looked no different whatsoever from when I first got it.
Now, I had read of one person which had luck with creating a solution with a "miniscule amount of citric acid", 0.2-0.5 mL propylene glycol and water (he said "the rest is water" without specifying the total volume). I needed about 3ml in total of which 1 mL was PG and five drops were lemon juice (around 0.25 mL or 2.5 insulin syringe units) to dissolve the entire 220mg.
It might've worked with 0.2-0.5mL less PG and citric, but I can't tell. It first dissolved in 1.5ml when I applied heat which I figured would be sufficient, but fell right out of solution when it cooled down, so I added more of all 3 liquids at the same ratio until all the 2-methoxy-diphetidine was in solution. I also filtered this solution with a fresh .22um WHATMAN syringe filter.
So, I heard it takes a few minutes to take effect, but that turned out to be total far from the truth. It might be the case at very low doses, but for me the dissociative rush had been very strong before I even pulled the needle out of my arm (so roughly 10 seconds which it takes for the blood to go through the heart to the lungs and back to the heart to finally reach the brain.
I layed back and what happened next is hard to remember, let alone report in detail.
My 5 year old daughter had just been picked up by her mom and before I prepared the shot and I didn't have anything important to do the next day, so there was opportunity for the trip. Late onset, dragged out plateau and insanely long residual effects have been reported, mostly from oral administration I think. It's also worse noting that I am in a particular state right after the day I've spent with my daughter which is often reflected in dissociative experiences that happen within the first couple of hours after her leaving.
This means, that for the entire duration of the hole it felt like I was with my daughter. It's a very weird feeling someone's presence like that despite being all alone. When I lay go to bed and wake she always lies in another bed in my room, so I 'feel' her presence right in that corner of the room. This can also happen when I've smoked pot, but to a lesser extent. During some k-hole experiences she is also physically present and we'd travel together.
I can't really say much about the remaining content of the experience, but it was a lot more dreamy and confusing than ketamine. I guess you could say more delirious, too. I can't recall any specifics, but it was definitely a full-on hole experience which means I was completely incapacitated from seconds after the onset and throughout the entire plateau.
When I came back after a good 2 hours I experienced a rather unpleasant side effect: It felt like my body was turning around it's own longitudinal axis, as if I was laying flat and rolling into one direction, only without actually moving. This didn't really stop until an hour later and might have even been present during the entire experience, but I can not say for sure due to the clouded memory. I guess it's vertigo by definition, but a very specific form of it, since it was completely unidirectional. Yes, it felt like I was actually rotating in the same direction the entire time! I found that quite annoying, but not unsettling. In k-holes I move mostly translatively, here rotations were the focus.
Music was also very pleasant, psychdelical and simply mind blowing, as it is has usually been the case on ketamine.
Anyway, I had the capacity to move again after about 150 minutes. At the 3 hour mark I was fully functional and in fact had already tried redosing with at least 300mg right when I could move again, but must've failed miserably since I was still so dissociated. I guess it didn't even go into solution and was filtered out by my .22um filter which is a good thing!!
I had promised myself to destroy the remaining substance right after preparing the syringe because there has always been an irresistable and inexplicable urge to redose on both diphetidine and 2-meo-diphetidine. This is an extremely striking and curious phenomenom. In case you have never experienced it, I'll say that you should NOT underestimat this urge, no matter how disciplined you usually are! In fact I've put notes up (e.g. on the scale) numerous times after hiding the substance had consistently failed. The trouble is that I was far from being sober at the time of redosing which means I was just ready to get up again, but still had severely impaired vision and moderately decreased motor skills. I was actually trying to take the an estimated 300-500 mg and prepared it the same way I had before. Only I apparently didn't, since the second shot didn't seem to do anything at all. I have no idea how I managed to administer it without coming out bloody and bruised.
If you ask me, you should NEVER have immediate access to more than the dose you initially adminster of either of the two substances.
I was also horny as fuck, just I always am at the tail end of diphetidine plateaus and for the duration of the immediate after effects. It carried on to next morning and is a lot like what happens when I'm really fucking drunk! Unfortunately I couldn't get an erection for another 4h during which I did nothing but try to achieve one. I still came eventually and it never seemed too difficult on diphetidine either, unlike on opioids.
Between T+4h and T+5h I was fully functional aside from some residual dissociation.
Oh and I also injected some amphetamine sulfate right after that. I am unsure how much it was, but I suppose around 50mg. Smart idea, considering I planned to go to bed 6 hours later or so.
I took 1.5 mg olanzapine which is less than the smallest available dosage of German pharmaceutial olanzapine. That was at around T+5h when I started smoking about 0.4g potent hydro Jack Flash (cannabis buds), but I was still very surprised about being able to sleep by the 9 hour mark with no trouble whatsoever! I don't think this is only due to the meds, but also because the 2-methoxy-diphetidine had worn off (I was feeling the effects rapidly subside before either of the two drugs was taking effect). There is a small chance though, that the atypical neuroleptic simply siginificantly countered the 2-meo-diphetidine action.
I just thought it would be a good idea to give you guys an idea of the timeframe when IV'ing this substance over detailed qualitative reports of my personal journey. I also think it is more than noteworthy that you can indeed hole on it, since I have a very strict definition as what defines a 'hole' - being completely incapacitated and unresponsive to external visual stimuli while feeling proprioceptive and visual pseudohallucinations. I say this because a lot of people who have no experience with rapidy administered high doses of dissociatives have been using the term very loosely on bluelight as of late.
I have never been able to hole on orally administered diphetidine (or the single time I used the 2-methoxylated version). Instead I would just climb up gradually without holing until I black out at and north of a certain dosage.
Before I finish, I'd like to say that it's bit disheartening for me to not get any replies despite giving my best to report hardly documented territory for the public, so if you do find the post valuable, then please let me know by replying with a couple of words. I have gotten only occasional sparse feedback for even the most comprehensive of my latest posts which all took relatively long to write and contained information not yet to be found on bluelight or in this case not yet to be found anywhere on the net.
@mods (EDIT):
Sorry about all those edits!
Tagged by Xorkoth
substancecode_methoxphenidine
substancecode_phenidines
substancecode_dissociatives
explevel_veryexperienced
exptype_positive
roacode_iv
So, I've had "MXP" (horrible acronym) only once before, but have taken diphenidine about ten times at high dosage levels, both exclusively via oral ROA due to lack of information about intravenous administration.
If you ask me the latter substance should be called dipheTidine since it's IUPAC name is DIPHenyl-EThylpiperIDINE, analog to what the term amphetamine is derived from, eventhough it's not IUPAC in that case (Alpha-Methyl-PHenyl-ETylAMINE. In fact, I dare call them by their only reasonable name in this thread from now on since there is no danger of confusing them with any other substances.
Anyway, I've been curious about IV'ing either of the 2-methoxylated and or the non-methoxylated diphetidine, since I have plenty of experience with IV dissociatives. I'd call them my DOC along with opiates. The last time I had taken them was in late August or early September (ketamine), so I abstained from them for close to 3 months before this experience -> No tolerance except for the chronic behavioural tolerance that follows every dissociative use. Material seemed clean, it came in colorless translucent crystals and I have always had very good experiences with the source! I had stored it for about half a year in a warm and humid place with high temperature fluctuations, but it looked no different whatsoever from when I first got it.
Now, I had read of one person which had luck with creating a solution with a "miniscule amount of citric acid", 0.2-0.5 mL propylene glycol and water (he said "the rest is water" without specifying the total volume). I needed about 3ml in total of which 1 mL was PG and five drops were lemon juice (around 0.25 mL or 2.5 insulin syringe units) to dissolve the entire 220mg.
It might've worked with 0.2-0.5mL less PG and citric, but I can't tell. It first dissolved in 1.5ml when I applied heat which I figured would be sufficient, but fell right out of solution when it cooled down, so I added more of all 3 liquids at the same ratio until all the 2-methoxy-diphetidine was in solution. I also filtered this solution with a fresh .22um WHATMAN syringe filter.
So, I heard it takes a few minutes to take effect, but that turned out to be total far from the truth. It might be the case at very low doses, but for me the dissociative rush had been very strong before I even pulled the needle out of my arm (so roughly 10 seconds which it takes for the blood to go through the heart to the lungs and back to the heart to finally reach the brain.
I layed back and what happened next is hard to remember, let alone report in detail.
My 5 year old daughter had just been picked up by her mom and before I prepared the shot and I didn't have anything important to do the next day, so there was opportunity for the trip. Late onset, dragged out plateau and insanely long residual effects have been reported, mostly from oral administration I think. It's also worse noting that I am in a particular state right after the day I've spent with my daughter which is often reflected in dissociative experiences that happen within the first couple of hours after her leaving.
This means, that for the entire duration of the hole it felt like I was with my daughter. It's a very weird feeling someone's presence like that despite being all alone. When I lay go to bed and wake she always lies in another bed in my room, so I 'feel' her presence right in that corner of the room. This can also happen when I've smoked pot, but to a lesser extent. During some k-hole experiences she is also physically present and we'd travel together.
I can't really say much about the remaining content of the experience, but it was a lot more dreamy and confusing than ketamine. I guess you could say more delirious, too. I can't recall any specifics, but it was definitely a full-on hole experience which means I was completely incapacitated from seconds after the onset and throughout the entire plateau.
When I came back after a good 2 hours I experienced a rather unpleasant side effect: It felt like my body was turning around it's own longitudinal axis, as if I was laying flat and rolling into one direction, only without actually moving. This didn't really stop until an hour later and might have even been present during the entire experience, but I can not say for sure due to the clouded memory. I guess it's vertigo by definition, but a very specific form of it, since it was completely unidirectional. Yes, it felt like I was actually rotating in the same direction the entire time! I found that quite annoying, but not unsettling. In k-holes I move mostly translatively, here rotations were the focus.
Music was also very pleasant, psychdelical and simply mind blowing, as it is has usually been the case on ketamine.
Anyway, I had the capacity to move again after about 150 minutes. At the 3 hour mark I was fully functional and in fact had already tried redosing with at least 300mg right when I could move again, but must've failed miserably since I was still so dissociated. I guess it didn't even go into solution and was filtered out by my .22um filter which is a good thing!!
I had promised myself to destroy the remaining substance right after preparing the syringe because there has always been an irresistable and inexplicable urge to redose on both diphetidine and 2-meo-diphetidine. This is an extremely striking and curious phenomenom. In case you have never experienced it, I'll say that you should NOT underestimat this urge, no matter how disciplined you usually are! In fact I've put notes up (e.g. on the scale) numerous times after hiding the substance had consistently failed. The trouble is that I was far from being sober at the time of redosing which means I was just ready to get up again, but still had severely impaired vision and moderately decreased motor skills. I was actually trying to take the an estimated 300-500 mg and prepared it the same way I had before. Only I apparently didn't, since the second shot didn't seem to do anything at all. I have no idea how I managed to administer it without coming out bloody and bruised.
If you ask me, you should NEVER have immediate access to more than the dose you initially adminster of either of the two substances.
I was also horny as fuck, just I always am at the tail end of diphetidine plateaus and for the duration of the immediate after effects. It carried on to next morning and is a lot like what happens when I'm really fucking drunk! Unfortunately I couldn't get an erection for another 4h during which I did nothing but try to achieve one. I still came eventually and it never seemed too difficult on diphetidine either, unlike on opioids.
Between T+4h and T+5h I was fully functional aside from some residual dissociation.
Oh and I also injected some amphetamine sulfate right after that. I am unsure how much it was, but I suppose around 50mg. Smart idea, considering I planned to go to bed 6 hours later or so.
I took 1.5 mg olanzapine which is less than the smallest available dosage of German pharmaceutial olanzapine. That was at around T+5h when I started smoking about 0.4g potent hydro Jack Flash (cannabis buds), but I was still very surprised about being able to sleep by the 9 hour mark with no trouble whatsoever! I don't think this is only due to the meds, but also because the 2-methoxy-diphetidine had worn off (I was feeling the effects rapidly subside before either of the two drugs was taking effect). There is a small chance though, that the atypical neuroleptic simply siginificantly countered the 2-meo-diphetidine action.
I just thought it would be a good idea to give you guys an idea of the timeframe when IV'ing this substance over detailed qualitative reports of my personal journey. I also think it is more than noteworthy that you can indeed hole on it, since I have a very strict definition as what defines a 'hole' - being completely incapacitated and unresponsive to external visual stimuli while feeling proprioceptive and visual pseudohallucinations. I say this because a lot of people who have no experience with rapidy administered high doses of dissociatives have been using the term very loosely on bluelight as of late.
I have never been able to hole on orally administered diphetidine (or the single time I used the 2-methoxylated version). Instead I would just climb up gradually without holing until I black out at and north of a certain dosage.
Before I finish, I'd like to say that it's bit disheartening for me to not get any replies despite giving my best to report hardly documented territory for the public, so if you do find the post valuable, then please let me know by replying with a couple of words. I have gotten only occasional sparse feedback for even the most comprehensive of my latest posts which all took relatively long to write and contained information not yet to be found on bluelight or in this case not yet to be found anywhere on the net.
@mods (EDIT):
Sorry about all those edits!
Tagged by Xorkoth
substancecode_methoxphenidine
substancecode_phenidines
substancecode_dissociatives
explevel_veryexperienced
exptype_positive
roacode_iv
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