No longer lurking <3 this site and need support OPIATE addict & just found out preg

[downtherabbithole5]

No longer lurking this site and need support OPIATE addict & just found out preg

Hello all and thanks for the years of knowledge "my dear friend" has gotten from this site. she has been lurking since 2012 when she first tried to come off opiates of which she became addicted to in 2011 when her husband was murdered. This has been a long hard road and she has tried many things to get off the opiates like suboxone, kratom, gabapentin, weaning, etc. After 3-4 weeks always relapsed because of the totally debilitating lack of motivation, sleep, depression and just plain cold world feeling. She has remarried and found out last week she is 6 weeks pregnant. She has been taking 8-16 mg dilaudid daily (railing no IV) and cannot tell her OB since she was not prescribed them but was buying them off the street. She has researched online and found that many sites say trying to quite in the first trimester is harmful to baby. Since she found out she weaned down to 2-4 mg daily with 600 mg gabapentin daily and feels relatively shitty but can function and sleep. She is wondering if anyone else has tried to wean off opiates in the first trimester successfully? Would like to just stop the opiates all together and try to use the gabapentin and vitamins to get through instead of continuing to take the dilaudid for another 6 weeks until she is in the second trimester. Any advise and/or support is appreciated, thank you!

 

[Runtoparadise]

Damn, I just wrote a long msg, then lost it *grr*

I have no experience in this area but I wouldn't throw ur body into chaos just yet. I've heard of healthy babies being born while on methadone maintenance. Not that I'm an advocate.

My baby who's umm, nine now, was born and still is absolutely perfect. I was palliative with liver failure when we found out I was 26 wks preg. At 28wk went into labour and was flown to a specialist hospital. The obgyn was able to prolong the pregnancy until 33wks. Prem but perfect. An absolute life saver and changer...

Just my story.

Rtp

 

[Dr.Daddy]

Re: Opiates and pregnancy

Hello all and thanks for the years of knowledge "my dear friend" has gotten from this site. she has been lurking since 2012 when she first tried to come off opiates of which she became addicted to in 2011 when her husband was murdered. This has been a long hard road and she has tried many things to get off the opiates like suboxone, kratom, gabapentin, weaning, etc. After 3-4 always relapsed because of the totally debilitating lack of motivation, sleep, depression and just plain cold world feeling. She has remarried and found out last week she is 6 weeks pregnant. She has been taking 8-16 mg dilaudid daily (railing no IV) and cannot tell her OB since she was not prescribed them but was buying them off the street. She has researched online and found that many sites say trying to quite in the first trimester is harmful to baby. Since she found out she weaned down to 2-4 mg daily with 600 mg gabapentin daily and feels relatively shitty but can function and sleep. She is wondering if anyone else has tried to wean off opiates in the first trimester successfully? Would like to just stop the opiates all together and try to use the gabapentin and vitamins to get through instead of continuing to take the dilaudid for another 6 weeks until she is in the second trimester. Any advise and/or support is appreciated, thank you!

First, I am NOT a doctor. I've had back surgeries and problems for years and I successfully did at home detox and my ex wife used all sorts of opiates during her last pregnancy so I have some real world experience in knowing how difficult this journey will be. I was unaware of her (My wife at the time) drug use during most of the pregnancy and this ultimately led to our divorce. If the baby is her concern and she wants to be clean she will do this through her dr... I'm not passing any judgement by any means so I hope I still have your attention. #1 legally she cannot and will not be charged with child endangerment until AFTER the child is born and tests positive for unprebscribed narcotics. So if she is successful now Child Protective Services will not pursue her at all. This is why I highly recommend a dr. It is true that withdrawals are very hard unborn child and "cold turkey" should be avoided. She needs large doses of vitamin C and magnesium to help with the nerves and she should look into doing a liver flush with milk thistle, tumeric and dandelion, lots of grapefruit. Lots of water! She needs to flush all this shit out so that withdrawals do not last as long. Avoid eating meats during detox. This will help clean the liver as well. There is no getting past the withdrawals. Lots of green tea for antioxidants and energy, and sleepytime with valerian root for a mild calming effect. Valerian root is natures valium. It can be found in pill form at any whole foods store or Wal Mart. Then there's the diarrhea. This is my least favorite step. I used Imodium but still got the shits. Once again, lots of water! Her Dr could give her some chlonodine for that. Then I prayed. I am no longer a slave to opiates. She needs too dig deep into her psyche and find that inner flame. It's flickering somewhere in there and that's what needs to be fed after she's clean. I was forced into taking pills by my doctors for over ten years and I became a single father of 3 boys when their mother chose drugs over her own family. I know the power of this beast but she's with child and that, to me, comes before everything else. Please convince her to see a dr about this. The Dr. won't report her to the police...that's against the law. They will help her. My ex attempted suicide twice when I tried getting her clean. Not a pretty sight. I had to deal with CPS for a year after my son was born. He was born addicted to methadone and it took almost 2mos after he was born for me to get him home because his withdrawals were so bad and he was born premature. Once again, not a pretty sight and no fair to a child entering this world. So please weigh the costs of "getting caught" against getting help and the answer should come easily. I will genuinely pray for her. Hopefully it's heard. I know it's hard. It's beyond hard. It's fucked up shit man but if done right she will recover. Just remember that the mind controls the body the body doesn't control the mind.

 

[downtherabbithole5]

wow, thank you so much for that informative post. She is so grateful that you shared that with her and I will help her get the items you suggested sounds about right! I'm so sorry you went through that, I have personally seen opiate addiction ruin many of the people i care about most. People who loved their kids and were good moms that were prescribed narcotics and then began abusing them and then shooting them and then not caring about their kids anymore. It is so fucking sad. It pisses me off how a Dr. will prescribe those type of meds without advising of the side effect that YOU WILL BE ADDICTED MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY and it can very well ruin your life. I will talk to her asap about seeing telling the dr. her situation. thank you again

 

[downtherabbithole5]

First, I am NOT a doctor. I've had back surgeries and problems for years and I successfully did at home detox and my ex wife used all sorts of opiates during her last pregnancy so I have some real world experience in knowing how difficult this journey will be. I was unaware of her (My wife at the time) drug use during most of the pregnancy and this ultimately led to our divorce. If the baby is her concern and she wants to be clean she will do this through her dr... I'm not passing any judgement by any means so I hope I still have your attention. #1 legally she cannot and will not be charged with child endangerment until AFTER the child is born and tests positive for unprebscribed narcotics. So if she is successful now Child Protective Services will not pursue her at all. This is why I highly recommend a dr. It is true that withdrawals are very hard unborn child and "cold turkey" should be avoided. She needs large doses of vitamin C and magnesium to help with the nerves and she should look into doing a liver flush with milk thistle, tumeric and dandelion, lots of grapefruit. Lots of water! She needs to flush all this shit out so that withdrawals do not last as long. Avoid eating meats during detox. This will help clean the liver as well. There is no getting past the withdrawals. Lots of green tea for antioxidants and energy, and sleepytime with valerian root for a mild calming effect. Valerian root is natures valium. It can be found in pill form at any whole foods store or Wal Mart. Then there's the diarrhea. This is my least favorite step. I used Imodium but still got the shits. Once again, lots of water! Her Dr could give her some chlonodine for that. Then I prayed. I am no longer a slave to opiates. She needs too dig deep into her psyche and find that inner flame. It's flickering somewhere in there and that's what needs to be fed after she's clean. I was forced into taking pills by my doctors for over ten years and I became a single father of 3 boys when their mother chose drugs over her own family. I know the power of this beast but she's with child and that, to me, comes before everything else. Please convince her to see a dr about this. The Dr. won't report her to the police...that's against the law. They will help her. My ex attempted suicide twice when I tried getting her clean. Not a pretty sight. I had to deal with CPS for a year after my son was born. He was born addicted to methadone and it took almost 2mos after he was born for me to get him home because his withdrawals were so bad and he was born premature. Once again, not a pretty sight and no fair to a child entering this world. So please weigh the costs of "getting caught" against getting help and the answer should come easily. I will genuinely pray for her. Hopefully it's heard. I know it's hard. It's beyond hard. It's fucked up shit man but if done right she will recover. Just remember that the mind controls the body the body doesn't control the mind.

wow, thank you so much for that informative post. She is so grateful that you shared that with her and I will help her get the items you suggested sounds about right! I'm so sorry you went through that, I have personally seen opiate addiction ruin many of the people i care about most. People who loved their kids and were good moms that were prescribed narcotics and then began abusing them and then shooting them and then not caring about their kids anymore. It is so fucking sad. It pisses me off how a Dr. will prescribe those type of meds without advising of the side effect that YOU WILL BE ADDICTED MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY and it can very well ruin your life. I will talk to her asap about seeing telling the dr. her situation. thank you again

 

[downtherabbithole5]

Damn, I just wrote a long msg, then lost it *grr*

I have no experience in this area but I wouldn't throw ur body into chaos just yet. I've heard of healthy babies being born while on methadone maintenance. Not that I'm an advocate.

My baby who's umm, nine now, was born and still is absolutely perfect. I was palliative with liver failure when we found out I was 26 wks preg. At 28wk went into labour and was flown to a specialist hospital. The obgyn was able to prolong the pregnancy until 33wks. Prem but perfect. An absolute life saver and changer...

Just my story.

Rtp

thank you for sharing your story and blessings to you and your angel so glad he/she is healthy and ok! I will let her know...

 

[Dr.Daddy]

Tell her she's awesome and more importantly she needs to tell herself that. BTW. I'm currently a psychology student because I want to be officially qualified to help people like her. Self talk works wonders! It's like that warm feeling you get in your chest after someone tells you thank you or after helping someone jump start their car or whatever the deed may be. Remember that feeling and tell her to use it as a weapon against the bad thoughts. I want you to know that, I feel, that my family went through this so that another family wouldn't have too or that I could help others through their tough times like this. There's not a day that goes by that I don't think about, at least, one thing from my past but I don't curse my burdens, weaknesses or failures anymore. They're now my weapon. You can change your karma. Be strong and hang in there kiddo. We're all humans on this earth together. Now go kick life's ass!
Peace✌ and Strength?

 

[downtherabbithole5]

Tell her she's awesome and more importantly she needs to tell herself that. BTW. I'm currently a psychology student because I want to be officially qualified to help people like her. Self talk works wonders! It's like that warm feeling you get in your chest after someone tells you thank you or after helping someone jump start their car or whatever the deed may be. Remember that feeling and tell her to use it as a weapon against the bad thoughts. I want you to know that, I feel, that my family went through this so that another family wouldn't have too or that I could help others through their tough times like this. There's not a day that goes by that I don't think about, at least, one thing from my past but I don't curse my burdens, weaknesses or failures anymore. They're now my weapon. You can change your karma. Be strong and hang in there kiddo. We're all humans on this earth together. Now go kick life's ass!
Peace✌ and Strength

your awesome she needed that you have def inspired her and lit a spark....thank u again!

 

[silas GUY]

Hello all and thanks for the years of knowledge "my dear friend" has gotten from this site. she has been lurking since 2012 when she first tried to come off opiates of which she became addicted to in 2011 when her husband was murdered. This has been a long hard road and she has tried many things to get off the opiates like suboxone, kratom, gabapentin, weaning, etc. After 3-4 weeks always relapsed because of the totally debilitating lack of motivation, sleep, depression and just plain cold world feeling. She has remarried and found out last week she is 6 weeks pregnant. She has been taking 8-16 mg dilaudid daily (railing no IV) and cannot tell her OB since she was not prescribed them but was buying them off the street. She has researched online and found that many sites say trying to quite in the first trimester is harmful to baby. Since she found out she weaned down to 2-4 mg daily with 600 mg gabapentin daily and feels relatively shitty but can function and sleep. She is wondering if anyone else has tried to wean off opiates in the first trimester successfully? Would like to just stop the opiates all together and try to use the gabapentin and vitamins to get through instead of continuing to take the dilaudid for another 6 weeks until she is in the second trimester. Any advise and/or support is appreciated, thank you!

wow thats really serious. as you already know! and you should really just see a doctor about the issue ASAP ! Maybe you could at least talk to a nurse mid wife ! thats what my mom is all ask her about the gabapenten as well as when and how they work with something like that ! i remember her telling me a few months back about one of her girls at the hospital that she was on suboxone and it can cause really bad birth defects ! she stopped the subs altogether but i have no idea how ! she is in California at the moment but when she comes back Friday ill stop by the mada queens house and ask ! as you know your best bet is to research this in-depth and get off as safely as possible with medical advise. i do know for a fact that if your friend gets caught with medication that is not prescribed to her through testing or any means that a social worker will be involved. Dont you have to get checked out to see if the baby is ok , regular check ups ?

 

[Dr.Daddy]

No social worker gets involved until after the baby is born and tests positive. Yes...if she tests positive while baby is in utero they will "alert" the social worker but she will never hear from them if she is clean by birth date. This is due to roe v. wade which states that it ( the unborn child) is not a human life until after it is born. I know this from experience. My ex tested positive in her 4th mos and not even was I told about it. I asked the social worker why didn't we do something about this issue when she tested positive and that was the reason he gave me. I'm an excellent resource on this subject please contact me for further info our support.

 

[downtherabbithole5]

wow thats really serious. as you already know! and you should really just see a doctor about the issue ASAP ! Maybe you could at least talk to a nurse mid wife ! thats what my mom is all ask her about the gabapenten as well as when and how they work with something like that ! i remember her telling me a few months back about one of her girls at the hospital that she was on suboxone and it can cause really bad birth defects ! she stopped the subs altogether but i have no idea how ! she is in California at the moment but when she comes back Friday ill stop by the mada queens house and ask ! as you know your best bet is to research this in-depth and get off as safely as possible with medical advise. i do know for a fact that if your friend gets caught with medication that is not prescribed to her through testing or any means that a social worker will be involved. Dont you have to get checked out to see if the baby is ok , regular check ups ?

Thank you she would appreciate any information your mom can give! Yes she will be seeing and OB soon she is waiting for her ins to kick in should be able to go within a week or two.

 

[Runtoparadise]

Thx for the friend request, as soon as I figure this site out I'll get back to u

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Welcome to Bluelight!

If you have any questions in particular about the site or anything in general, feel free to ask me. :D

 

[Crack_ed]

I have little personal experience and even less medical experience but a girl, a mates sister, used heroin and never stopped or seemed like she wanted to (but i bet she did) her baby was born addicted to heroin and social services were called in and she was given to the girls mother to raise, she is 6yrs old now and happy n healthy but only has minimal contact with her real mother and only knows her grandmother as her mother, her real mother is still on heroin and very recently became pregnant again, social services were brought in again and she refused to say whether she was still using heroin, she gave birth on her kitchen floor while she was high and baby number 2 was born addicted to heroin, social services immediately took the baby from mother but said they could have weaned the baby off heroin whilst it was inside the womb had she told them of her using, as she hid it fearing they'd take the baby it was the very thing that swayed them to the opinion she wasnt fit to parent the child, if she got help by talking confidentially to a doctor they would have referred her to a specialist addiction therapist who are generally amazing non-judgemental smart experienced at this shit, they are usually ex addicts or have vast experience with ppl in your situation, and they have the medical and psychological plan to help you as best they can, you clearly care deeply about your baby or you wouldnt be asking here, if you go the "i wont tell anyone" route, the end result is your poor babys first few breaths out of the womb he/she is addicted to opiates, but most devastatingly the baby will likely be taken away and you will be broken hearted and then have a reason better than any to never quit drugs, or go the "get all the help you can" route, this route takes guts and shows anyone looking that you will do the right thing by your baby when it counts and put its well being above your own, i dont say it will be easy but if they can help you drop the opiates n make sure your baby is born healthy when you see that baby look at you in the eyes, smile at you, do a massive fart and have not an ounce of shame, they're a mini you, they will love and need you more than anyone you've ever known and you them, as they grow they fill your time, are funny as hell, and after you kick i think sleep will be your new drug, i really hope you seek help, initially you could get a good friend/family member to take a written letter anonymously from you too a doctor or drug team person (in most doctors) make sure you are thorough with details etc and have the trusted person ask what they will do and any worries can be explained without any comeback on you, dont lose your kid, no parents perfect but most kids that are put in care (i have lots of mates who were) always have deep sadness in their hearts, nothing can replace a mothers love, a mothers face is, 99% of the time, the very first comforting, memory a babies brain reckognises, your, even small, facial feature differences, compared to other faces that come and go in the babies eyeshot, are the most often seen and the first instinctive and most important and deepest connection too, unbreakable and irreplaceable bond and memory in the mind/life of your baby is YOU, FOREVER!!! Then it's about drawing on your experiance in life, good and bad, to guide your child to a better place than you are now but dont get me waffling on about that now my eyes are sore n its the longest thing ive ever written, i'd pray for you but god doesnt exist so i will say may all the luck in the world be with you and may your willpower and courage be strong and constant

 

[Crack_ed]

i should add that i am currently smashed on a different drug and, although the example i spoke of is 100% true and accurate and to the best of my knowledge the rest is correct, sincere at least, i may have gone a little overboard with a massive novel length mushy waffle and should change my name to Enid Blyton and stop being a hypocritical fool n let knowledgeable folk do their thing

 

[Crack_ed]

What are the rules regarding cursing/swearing? I'm not intending on being offensive or namecalling etc but sometimes it just slips out without me thinking, is it ok in moderation? Up north we tend to swear every other word when talking to pals so i struggle with squeaky clean language, thanks for offering to answer q's mate

 

[Runtoparadise]

How's it going rabbithole? Sorry, I don't know ur preferred name, & I'm guessing that's the least of ur concerns right now!

Are u finding the support/answers/info that u came in search of? I've accepted ur request, and thankyou, ur my first bluelight friend.

Keep talking, Rtp

 

[HawkEyeMollyMan]

Opiate Addiction and Pregnancy

The withdrawing will potentially KILL YOUR CHILD. DO NOT WITHDRAW from opiates while pregnant. The baby withdraws too and it cant handle that shit. Dilaudid is a fast acting opiate so the levels of it in the blood fluctuate allot and that's bad for the kid too. (Switch to Methadone it's a long-lasting and stable opiate that keeps blood serum levels at an almost constant level throughout the day. This serum level stability keeps the fetus from experiencing withdrawal discomfort; thus, methadone maintenance treatment reduces stress on the fetus.source2) But definitely talk to your Doctor about it. There's only a tiny chance they'll take your kid most they'll just force you to get treatment. But if they're going to report you they will do it at the birth of the child anyway. And the'll do that regardless of if you tell them because they'll be able to tell the baby has opiates in its system. If you can get in a rehab or any type of inpatient facility you and your baby will be way better off. (Only 19 states report drug addicted born infants and all but one either but you on random testing and allow you to keep your kid or just let you keep it if you're already seeking help. Source3)
I would also suggest finding your local Narcotics Anonymous Meetings. Whether you think you can benefit from it or not if you give birth in a hospital the court might find out and if you can show you've already sought treatment then you'll be much better off. Also hanging aroud people who know what your going through shouldn't hurt. They could know lawyers, doctors, and facilities that could help you.


Sources: 1Personal Experience as Recovered Addict, 2 National Institutes of Health http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0013878/ , 3 Child Welfare Services https://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/drugexposed.pdf

Feel free to email me with any questions or if you just need to vent. [email protected]

 

[tommyo5485]

Well when my ex was got preg with our son we were both doing shooting heroin nad roxys. There isn't much I found on using suboxone with preg. Women but I felt itt was my only option so we used subs to get her off the dope while preg. And it worked. Our son was born healthy....thank god. From my understanding it won't harm the baby to use opiates while preg. But when the baby is born n the mother still uses the baby will be dependant and go thru withdrawls. So as long as you ween off before the delivery the baby should be fine. Now don't quote me on all this bc I am no doctor but just sharing what worked foor us. Maybe we got lucky but we usedvsubs several months before he was born to get her clean n it worked. I don't advise any woman to usse while preg. But I understand shit happens....only bc I went through it. Hopefully you fi.nd this usefull

 

[downtherabbithole5]

thank you all for your help, have been super busy so I'm sorry for the delayed response. I am down to .5 mg a day and feel do not feel any withdrawal symptoms. I have a doctors apt scheduled for next Friday and will be notifying the doctor at that time. Yes I'm scaired of the repercussions but more scaired for my baby and have to make the right choice for him/her. I am glad I found a site of people that understand and are supportive and informative. Thank you all again. Will update soon!