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Linking of Psychedelic Use with Mental Disorders = Societal Construct

washingtonbound

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The majority of people who have used psychedelics would likely agree that they shed light on undesirable and suppressing power structures. Recently I had an intense experience that I believe was triggered by marijuana (although I was sober during the episode) in which I wrote extensively about abstract theories in an attempt to deconstruct what I refer to as a pyramid scheme. I wrote a lot about how even numbers symbolize goodness/holistic values while odd numbers symbolize human bastardization of the planet. I wrote extensively about how "666" is simply a societal construct and a threat/scare tactic used by those in power to keep people at bay. I believe that time can be represented by binary figures (think computer code: 010101) and that the ideal "coding" so to speak is 121212, which symbolizes duality between humanity and the divine. I attempted to shed light on how the concept of "good and evil" is also a societal construct and that the real balance is humanity and divinity. I believe that on a binary time scale we are currently at 7 (think 121314151617), and that if we continue along this path we will eventually end up at 9 which will ultimately be NWO on behalf of ourselves (consider the raging conflict in the middle east and the US's role in it). Anyway, I was writing about this stuff intensively over the course of a couple days in which I barely slept, next thing I know I have the local police department at my door as a result of my mother's concern for my mental health. Next thing I know I am Baker acted and thrown in a mental hospital. There was a social worker who I would identify as "the man" who fought tooth and nail to keep me holed up in there, but thankfully the case was dismissed because I never touched anyone (which is the only way a Baker Act can be justified). But the fact that the case worker was so adamant about locking me up and that the police department nearly shit themselves when I guarded my papers upon their arrival at my house gives me the idea that people who are viewed as a threat to big brother are simply thrown in the can. When I was holed up in there I was involuntarily administered Depakote and Abilify which I am certain was a tactic that was utilized in an attempt to get me to snap. I could barely sleep on that shit and if anything would have driven me insane it would've been those pharmaceuticals. I am 19 and the law and no right to intervene whatsoever in this particular situation but I believe that the societal construct is such that imprisons or attempts to imprison those in the process of exposing the united states federal government. (Think Aaron Schwarz and John Nash). Anyway, this was a very disturbing experience and I'd like some insight from others on whether or not they are familiar with this concept. Thanks.
(Think: Societal Construct = Pyramid Scheme)
 
The society we live in these days almost demands desensitization or insanity.

I'm sure your mom was worried seeing her kid stay up for days on end scribbling rants on how society is a scheme. Is this sort of mania common for you? Does mental illness run in the family? Don't get me wrong, I don't think that its justified if your not causing harm to yourself or others, but a parent has the right to be concerned if they are acting strangely. What caused your mother to call the authorities? Were you trying to explain you theories?

Sorry to hear they tried to keep you, and I'm sorry they forced you to take those awful drugs.
Hang in there man!

Also, I'm not so sure this belongs in the PD forum.
 
You sound like you have a serious mental illness. What you're saying doesn't make sense and your behavior as described indicates that you need help.

There was no conspiracy to medicate you because you wrote some stuff about numbers. No one is watching you and scheming against you because of 121314151617.

I know you're just going to think I'm an insidious agent out to get you, but seriously you should try to voluntarily get help.
 
No I appreciate the feedback, I may be batshit schizophrenic I have just preferred to think this is not the case. I will say, however, on the ride over to the hospital I deliberately answered authorities questions differently each time when they were trying to log me into a computer system. This clearly caused them distress because I suspect asking people dumb generic questions and putting them in a computer is how they keep track of people.
 
Out of curiosity, could you please try to explain or elaborate on this 121314151617? It just doesn't make any sense to the rest of us boring people. I'll be honest, it sounds completely kooky to me and I doubt that it will have any meaning for the rest of us, but I'd like to hear the details of this insight from your perspective.
 
License numbers, social security numbers, license plates, insurance policies, and all of your Internet activity is how they keep track of people. There's no conspiracy, they're pretty open about it.

I understand being wary of authority. The cops are slime, and there are indeed lazy, selfish, incompetent doctors. All the same, I think you'd benefit from professional help. You are showing classic symptoms of schizophrenia and possibly bipolar disorder. I'm not a doctor so I can't (and shouldn't) diagnose you, but the mania, preoccupation with being watched or controlled, and the importance you're assigning to meaningless strings of numbers are very common in people with these conditions. As someone who has struggled in the past with agoraphobia and the belief that everyone could read my mind and the entire world was an elaborate inside joke at my expense, I recommend you find a doctor or therapist to talk to.

Good luck.
 
On a binary time scale, each number represents the world progressing in some way. 12 would symbolize the early days when only dinosaurs existed. 1213 would represent mans first existence. The number three represents man and his imperfections but it is not necessarily "bad." 121314 would represent positive progression in someway from the early days of cavemen to the first signs of civilization. However, the shit starts hitting the fan at 12131415 because man begins to bastardize existence by suppressing knowledge from women and disguising it as organized religion. It is at 5 when greed and egoism come into the mix and men begin to kill eachother off over arbitrary ideologies. And so it progresses. I believe that 6 should be an inherently good number or "time frame" so to speak, but we have continued to govern ourselves in such a self fulfilling manner that the 666 concept has arouse and further bastardization has ensued. The 666 concept is synonymous with the word THREAT as far as I'm concerned. That's why I say we have really arrived at 7. How many letters in P-Y-R-A-M-I-D? 7. Idk I may be batshit schizo like I mentioned but at least I attempt to make sense of some of the horrific aspects of my surroundings.
 
didn't read all of that, but you sound pretty delusional. get some help asap and cease all drug use immediately.
 
You know what thy say..."just because you're a paranoid schizophrenic doesn't mean that they're not out to get you".
 
I don't know what the OP is talking about but I've long been under the belief that many things that are "schedule 1" (most notably/famously marijuana, but also some of the psychedelic hallucinogens like mescaline and LSD) are there because they promote modes of thought that "the system" finds undesirable. Calling the interlocking network of public and private societal institutions "the system" sounds kind of hippy-ish, but you get the idea.

Of course, in the eyes of the general public LSD is illegal because it's 1) just as bad as heroin, and 2) will probably make you jump off a tall building while under the delusion that you can fly
 
I hate to say it, but you need to seek professional help. Your attempts to explain your theories has not helped your case. Currently you're behaving like the poster child for paranoid schizophrenia. Your mother likely called the police as she was genuinely concerned about your extremely alarming behavior.

The only time I've seen behavior like yours is when a friend of mine relapsed on methamphetamine and stayed up for days on end strung out.

You need to abstain from any drug use and possibly speak with a medical professional.
 
I don't think you're crazy but I think you might be stressing yourself out a lot. Please take care of yourself!
 
Hey OP,

For the record I think you are RIGHT about psychedelics revealing societal power structures. But you can throw away all your numbers. They don't matter or make much sense. It's easy to convince yourself you've found "the answer" when you've got numbers to prove it. So save us the trouble.

It's true that the government is wasting its time with attempts at controlling the people. But that doesn't mean you have to waste your time with keeping a fearful eye on the government. I am not scared of them, and neither should you be. The worrying is not worth your time. Your discoveries won't have an impact. You having a good life will.

Get your head out of the giant conspiracy-driven thought-loop and live your life to the fullest. Just because you're right about something doesn't mean you have to ruin your life over it. A unique perspective (such as the ones that psychedelics can provide) can give someone with a ironclad sense of duty to enlighten the world with it, and this can be very dangerous. Do yourself a favor: Move on and enjoy your life.
 
Interesting stuff in a number of different ways, thanks for posting Washington.
There's a lot of crazy shit going on nowadays so who knows? I know how u feel about those shit meds, they're all about mind control and making us docile and infertile. Your mom was probably genuinely concerned about u when she ratted u out. People fear what they can't understand, even loved ones.
Were all a little nutty in our own way I think. Drs can come up with dx's for any odd behavior and label u whatever they want. They can help and they can hurt. Being forced to take poisen to regain your "freedom" is fucking bullshit!! The drs that do this are criminals as far as I'm concerned.
Anyway, I just wanted to chime in and give u some support and let u know your far from alone brother. That baker act is some bullshit, sorry u had to go through that. Sometimes we gotta pretend were like the normies to keep our "freedom", it sucks and no one should have to pretend to be something they're not but that's the system we live in today. My advice is to try your best to enjoy your own company and stay to yourself. If you don't deal with people then they won't call cops and shit like that. Take care and god bless brother!
 
Psychedelics can absolutely be the catalyst to a more insightful and perceptive way of thinking and it's perfectly fine to desire a greater understanding of why some concepts, rules, or customs are in place in our society. It's true that many concepts we don't normally question are formed by cultural practices over time, but that doesn't mean that all societal constructs are conspiratorial by nature. Customs like marriage and organized religion or concepts like consumerism don't make much sense to me, but it's not often that I feel threatened or pressured by other people who get married, attend religious ceremonies or buy the hot new electronic device. There are things that I find duplicitous about these and other parts of society, but it's not productive to question something because solely because others participate in it, or hold opinions which differ from my own. That's not to say there aren't impractical and counterproductive societal constructs. Racism, sexism and drug laws seem to exist solely to control or denounce part of the population. As cruel and unnecessary as these may seem, there's more power in understanding that racism and sexism are ignorant, outdated opinions and believing that oppressive legislation needs to be reevaluated than believing greater knowledge can be attained through numerology or other abstract symbolism.

There are things that the government keeps hidden from pubic knowledge under the guise that it will protect citizens, and I don't think we should be indifferent about things that are unjust. The problem in many cases is that it's fruitless to believe any one person has the power or capability to find out about or reveal this information, at least without being subject to criminal persecution. As immoral and unethical as the U.S. government may be, there are other countries whose governments are even less transparent where speaking out against injustice leads to imminent death or lifetime imprisonment.

I'd expect that most people (even government employees) do not have malicious personal agendas and would like to think that I can trust anyone who hasn't given me a reason not to. As trustworthy as many people are, not everyone behaves this way, so it makes sense to maintain a healthy level of paranoia just in case you encounter a threat. On the other hand, obsessively paranoid thoughts and behavior or preoccupation with conspiracy theories are incompatible with knowledge. I understand paranoia is a symptom of schizophrenia, and I can't begin to understand how difficult it may be to control it, but from my experience paranoia only controls you if you indulge in the delusions it creates. It can make you seek truth in fiction or desire for answers for questions that don't exist. As imaginary as reality may seem sometimes, know that there is a difference and all of our actions in reality have consequences.


v I put this in a NSFW box because it's very long and I didn't know if it was totally necessary after rereading it, but it's about a friend bipolar disorder who experienced psychosis from abusing psychedelics v
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You sound a lot like a friend of mine who's diagnosed with bipolar disorder when he was going through similar problems related to psychedelic use. There have actually been a few occasions where he became increasingly psychotic and paranoid following heavy psychedelic use, but one time in particular that it became a real problem for a while. I recall he had been using LSD relatively frequently for a few weeks or so, and experienced a psychotic break one night while he was on it which made him begin compulsively searching for answers to his problems with "alternative means of information". Many of his beliefs at this time were also connected to numerology, symbolism, and conspiracy theories, but also included occultism, freemasonry and other obscure spiritual/religious practices that I'm unfamiliar with. I believe he had prior knowledge of some of these topics, but from what I could tell, his paranoid and delusional way of thinking compelled him to research further, yet the paranoid and delusional nature of the subject matter made his behavior worse.

Conspiracy theories, in my opinion, attempt to explain misunderstood or questionable topics by making even more dubious claims, or making loose connections to past events. They sometimes offer alternatives to commonly accepted historical events, especially where there is unverifiable data, and in many cases suggest these alternative histories are linked to a central theme and that everything commonly regarded as truth may all be part of a greater conspiracy. The problem is that these theories offer answers which are just as disputable as what they're trying to explain in the first place. Secrets and cover-ups do exist, and there are some things that take place or have taken place which we may never fully understand. The truth is that we can't know the answer to every question, but that doesn't mean we have to believe in paranoid suggestions where no other answers exist. I have admittedly limited knowledge about any of the other subjects mentioned above, but what information I have read makes me inclined to say they're not too far removed from conspiracy theories and seem to follow similar logic patterns.

When my friend was going through this episode, it was difficult to speak to him at all. I couldn't tell if he was being serious or not some of the time because he joked around a lot before, but it got to the point that we couldn't discuss any subject rationally. Even mundane details about daily life would be given some bizarre connotation to government plots to sell him LSD or connect to part of an Illuminati scheme to obscure the truth about 9/11. Even more alarming than this was when he started telling me about events he was convinced actually happened, but were obviously paranoid delusions in one form or another. It wouldn't have bothered me as much if what he told me about were just unrealistic scenarios that still may have happened, but the stories always contained details that were too far out of reality to accept. I still don't know which parts may have occurred since they all conveniently took place when he was alone and they've never been brought up since, but the more he told me about, the more I became increasingly concerned about his mental health.

There was one evening he called and asked to come over and I agreed, aware of what had been going on, but not believing him to be in trouble or any more unstable. He came into the house looking panicked and disheveled and told me he'd just gotten out of the hospital after being chased and pulled over by police. Apparently he'd driven past the downtown police station when several cars pulled out and began following him from a distance. They continued following him for around half an hour, never getting too close, but still surely there. He'd been trying to lose them the whole time but eventually one of the officers pulled him over, suspected he was under the influence and asked him to take a road sobriety test which he passed. The cop was still suspicious due to his driving so he escorted him to the E.R. to undergo a drug screen. Nothing showed up in his system, but it was found that he was supposed to be on some sort of prescription medication. He'd be allowed to leave once he gave their consent to administer the drug, but refused and told them he hadn't broken any laws, so it was illegal for him to be held there. The police and hospital staff revealed that the whole thing had been a test and he was now able to leave, so they gave him some exit paperwork and he walked out to his car which is when he called me. I don't recall what I said after he got to the end, but was visibly having trouble believing what he was saying, so he showed me the paperwork he received which had been in his backpack. It was unclear what the papers I saw were, but they didn't look like they'd been printed that night, and nothing about them indicated they were issued by the hospital in question. This was the only time he'd ever tried to provide physical evidence for any of these events. The reason I included this story was because it struck me as a weird act of desperation, like maybe if just this once I believed all of what happened the way he said it did, it'd confirm everything else he was going through was normal. I doubt my continued disbelief made much of a difference, but it did seem like he had a diminished sense of care about whatever he was going through after that night. The few times I saw him afterwards, he actually seemed better mood-wise, but was also speaking about conspiracy theories matter-of-factly, as if it weren't up for debate.

I sympathized with he was going through and wanted him to get better, but it was difficult to understand why he couldn't control his behavior at the same time. He'd always been pretty out there in terms of spiritual or religious beliefs, but never to any extent that seemed to significantly affect his day-to-day life. The numerology stuff got totally out of control, and it's not something I understand well enough to comment on, only that it appeared to be giving exaggerated importance to insignificant digits or series of digits. I didn't really say anything about it for fear that my words may be misinterpreted or give him permission to continue pursuing answers with these numbers. I expressed that he should seek medical attention at least once during this episode, which he took as me being an asshole for not respecting his beliefs. It would have been one thing for me to accept that he had differing beliefs if it weren't interfering with him on a daily basis, but he was clearly becoming more socially withdrawn and paranoid. He quit his job one day, and when I asked him why, he said it was because one of his coworkers said or did something a certain way that freaked him out too much to continue working there. I really didn't see or speak to him for a few months after that, but did check up on him occasionally to see that he wasn't in serious trouble or anything.

He did eventually get back to normal after a few months of this behavior, and I assume it was because he finally went back on his psych medication and understood that he had to stop using psychedelics and other drugs. We don't live in the same state anymore, but as far as I know, he's now using drugs occasionally, though I'm not sure which ones or how often. I know what he went through had to be devastating, but with what he was doing, it may have been a disaster waiting to happen. I have to imagine it would only be that much worse if something similar were to happen again, but hopefully he's taken precautions so that it never gets to that point. It feels weird to worry about him using drugs because he didn't really have an ongoing problem with them, psychedelics were just the catalyst for his psychosis. I mostly just feel like he doesn't have anyone that would understand or be willing to help if he started feeling symptoms again. His parents are clueless about drugs and other friends aren't very knowledgeable about them either. In any case, it's not like he wasn't aware of the risks with psychedelics and bipolar disorder before this episode happened. I imagine that you, washingtonbound also have some idea about the risks associated with psychedelic use and your mental disorder. Again, I can't pretend to know what it's like to have something like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, but in my friend's case, it was like all caution went out the window whenever an extreme manic state would manifest. I'd always tell him to be careful when he'd tell me he was buying or using certain drugs, but he was hardheaded about it and wouldn't really give my advice any consideration.


I know from personal experience how difficult it can be to have someone tell you to slow down or stop using drugs, but usually it's because the other person is worried about your health. Your mom may not have needed to involve police, but know that she was doing so out of love and concern for your wellbeing, and it was the only way she knew how to react. It's understandable to be skeptical about psychiatric medications because the medical industry in the U.S. does tend to promote pills first where a better solution may exist. Unfortunately, a better solution for mental disorders doesn't always exist, but sometimes medication can make a world of difference for people who are suffering from debilitating mental issues. I don't know what's typically prescribed for Schizophrenia, but you may have options if you've tried certain kinds and didn't see any improvement.

I will say I've met and worked with people diagnosed with Schizophrenia who took medication for it and whatever their symptoms were, the only reason I knew they had it was because they told me. I've also met older people diagnosed with Schizophrenia and Schizoaffective disorder at an early age who preferred to treat their symptoms with alcohol and other psychoactive drugs for a majority of their life. It wasn't immediately apparent what it was that they were diagnosed with, but they showed obvious physical signs of pain and discomfort. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this like the only options are psychiatric medication or alcohol and/or other drugs, but the former definitely does provide help to others, and it may work the same way for you if you're willing to give it a try.

Take care of yourself. We all deserve to be happy and healthy, but only you can make the decision to start living that way.
 
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I think you maybe schizophrenic, my nephew had his first psychotic break when he was 20. We all that it was drugs he was on but we was clean. We was spouting off that he could solve infinity with math (high school drop out), he could see and read everything in binary code . He has had a few problems down the road until they got him on the right meds. It was sad to see a kid I watched grow up go through that! Seek out a mental health professional please!
 
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