Subutex Detox Plan inc Meds

[5StarSquatHotel]

So after many failed attempts and relapses I am facing my final detox come Monday and I am shitting it. I am on 1.2mg of Subutex and have been given the following detox plan. I am jumping off the 1.2mg of sub and going straight to this:

Day 1 - 3x90mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 2 - 3x90mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 3 - 3x90mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus

Day 4 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 5 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 6 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 7 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus

Day 8 3x30mg of Dihydrocodeine

As of day 9 I am starting on Britlofex which will be arranged on my next appointment.

Do you think that amount of Codeine will cover the jump from 1.2mg of Subutex? I am not worried about suffering but I have to be careful as I become very psychotic very quickly once I have been awake for 48hours plus so that is my main concern as I don't want a episode that results in hospital as doing the rattle on a psyc ward would be too much. Wish my luck people (I will need it).

Safeways

 

[Shambles]

It's not enough to block w/d symptoms but is enough to take the edge off. Definitely doable if you add in willpower. I'd suggest maybe adding in some loperamide for the cramps cos that's not enough DHC to prevent the gut issues completely.

Day 9 is far too late to be including lofexidine. You'll be past the akaesthesia stage by then anyway. It's the early stages you are more likely to find such a thing of use.

Bear in mind that bupe w/d don't really start properly till the fourth day - that's when w/d effects begin to peak so that's when you'll be wanting your highest dose of DHC. Day 4, 5 and 6 are the brutal ones. I'd go with 60mg on the first three days, 90mg for the aforementioned three, then drop back to 60mg for a couple days and maybe another day or two on 30mg to step down as smoothly as possible.

Good luck

 

[lurching]

Yeah, try to start the lofexidine earlier, and Shambles' dhc schedule seems sound too.

I become very psychotic very quickly once I have been awake for 48hours plus so that is my main concern as I don't want a episode that results in hospital as doing the rattle on a psyc ward would be too much.

Do you have any drugs for sleep specifically? Don't overlook non-benzo options like mirtazapine or promethazine.

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

Thanks for the input lads, much appreciated.

Shambs -I shall ask if I can start the Britlofex a bit earlier, day 4 onwards maybe?

Lurch -I do/will have promethazine as well , 25mg tabs I think. I am also on 600mg of Pregablin a day which will help and I am scripted zopiclone but they don't work. I should of asked for 2 weeks worth of benzo but its a bit late now and I did not want to push my luck as getting codeine to come off Subutex goes against the guidelines. I do have a array of heavy duty anti psychotics I could use but they tend to make me psychotic somehow.

 

[Shambles]

Yeah, Day 3-4 is when the akaesthesia (the dreaded kickylegs) kick in (as it were). W/D in general becomes pretty savage around Day 4 - negligible before then, really quite noticeable after then. Lasts about a week in total - slightly over maybe depending on metabolism. It's the middle part that's the hardest. Cravings are not really an issue but sheer physical discomfort is. You want palliatives - anything to reduce the shitty physical w/d effects. Sleep will not be easy - that's a shitload of anticholinergic and seems bordering on delirent dosing. I'd be careful taking antihistamines for sleep. I have some experience of that. You would not like to share in that experience. Benzos really are the only sane option for sleep/relaxation of some kind. I'd flat out refuse antihistamine sedatives if it were me... but that's only cos I didn't before and found out what they can really do

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

Yeah, Day 3-4 is when the akaesthesia (the dreaded kickylegs) kick in (as it were). W/D in general becomes pretty savage around Day 4 - negligible before then, really quite noticeable after then. Lasts about a week in total - slightly over maybe depending on metabolism. It's the middle part that's the hardest. Cravings are not really an issue but sheer physical discomfort is. You want palliatives - anything to reduce the shitty physical w/d effects. Sleep will not be easy - that's a shitload of anticholinergic and seems bordering on delirent dosing. I'd be careful taking antihistamines for sleep. I have some experience of that. You would not like to share in that experience. Benzos really are the only sane option for sleep/relaxation of some kind. I'd flat out refuse antihistamine sedatives if it were me... but that's only cos I didn't before and found out what they can really do

This what worries me, the lack of sleep the w/d will cause. I only get a couple of hours a night as it is and as soon as I am 48+ hours in with no sleep the gates of hell open and it all goes very fucked up very fast and I am worried that will lead to another potential sectioning attempt. I have tried antihistamines for sleep before and they did nothing but make me feel dirty and tired but unable to sleep. I got to make this work this time as I have been on a script for 12 years now and keep failing the detox as the psychosis gets to much but I am determined to do it this time regardless how bad it gets as want to be chemical free before I hit 30 next month. I may see if I can source a couple weeks worth of benzo, tamazepam ideally as don't really want the long half life that diazepam packs, prob left it a bit late anyway.

 

[Shambles]

Xanax for preference for sleep. Temaz second choice. For me anyway. Longer acting benzos only of any use for anxiety and generally feeling a bit better about things - no use for sleep really though. Nitrazepam may work (mentioned cos relatively easy to acquire) but the hangover is brutal. Not such an issue if you intend to be semi-KO'd for daze though. Diaz are a good all-rounder but won't get you to actual sleep most likely.

To be honest, you're not gonna sleep. Nobody does. It's part of w/d and you kinda just have to live with it. If you have specific needs in that area speak to your doctor or addiction specialist cos your situation sounds like a more specialist one.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Mate, I don't really have anything to offer here other than 'Good luck man!' I know you've really been through hell recently and hope you beat it this time. As for the sleep issue, if the drugs don't work then you really can't beat good ol' physical exhaustion. have you got some mates you could go hiking/camping with? Throw a load of loperamide and DHC into the mix and you might actually find some relief. Getting back to nature can be very therapeutic - it certainly beats sitting around in a city flat rattling yer tits off! I personally hate being inside when I'm rattling - it feels so fuckin claustrophobic that I think I'm going to suffocate. You need space, lots of space, and fresh air, somewhere you can expand into without feeling threatened. Whatever happens, I hope you get through it relatively painlessly mate! Take care man....

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

It probably will cover it a pretty much because the long half life of bupe means you won't be experiencing many wd symptoms for the first few days anyway. Shame they're not tapering the britlofex in as they taper the codeine out. You might feel some mild symptoms but I doubt it, more likely you'll get a taste for a pure opiate agonist, don't eat all your meds at once or abuse them.

Between the pregabalin and the britlofex you will be pretty much covered. Be ready for zombie mode though! If I can manage jumping off at 24mg you can definitely do it, the wd from bupe is nothing compared to gear or methadone.

 

[brimz]

So after many failed attempts and relapses I am facing my final detox come Monday and I am shitting it. I am on 1.2mg of Subutex and have been given the following detox plan. I am jumping off the 1.2mg of sub and going straight to this:

Day 1 - 3x90mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 2 - 3x90mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 3 - 3x90mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus

Day 4 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 5 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 6 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 7 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus

Day 8 3x30mg of Dihydrocodeine

As of day 9 I am starting on Britlofex which will be arranged on my next appointment.

Do you think that amount of Codeine will cover the jump from 1.2mg of Subutex? I am not worried about suffering but I have to be careful as I become very psychotic very quickly once I have been awake for 48hours plus so that is my main concern as I don't want a episode that results in hospital as doing the rattle on a psyc ward would be too much. Wish my luck people (I will need it).

Safeways

Quicksave
all da best mate

 

[blondin]

After my experiences with lofexidine i wouldnt go near it - but thats just me

 

[brimz]

I was one if da 1st on britlofex in uk 4 my sins orrible

It was piloted in,my ends

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

Its gathering pace now, so much of a desperate dan I cant wait for the britlofex even though I know it will make me feel drained as fuck. Its amazing how long you can stay awake for and still some what function. Sweating like a crack head on a rape charge though. Had a few 'episodes' but am still in control.

 

[strungout2010]

Best of luck ditp, hang in there son. Just keep a eye on your blood pressure with them britlofex, fucking things had me faint after 4 days , only time that's ever happend.
Hope you get some shut eye soon.

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

Cheers man. My heart is racing and I cant sit still, don't feel right and its not even started yet. Would be ok if I could sleep but I cant and zopiclone don't work if you take them 3 nights in a row. Got the urge for cider and I don't drink. I do have some diclazepam but don't want to take them in case they show up on a the pending drug test next week. Flubrowhatever don't show up but they don't help you sleep for shit. I spent 12x the length of my using on sodding scripts, I hope I don't have long term damage as have scarring/shows on my brain already

 

[Eveleivibe]

So after many failed attempts and relapses I am facing my final detox come Monday and I am shitting it. I am on 1.2mg of Subutex and have been given the following detox plan. I am jumping off the 1.2mg of sub and going straight to this:

Day 1 - 3x90mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 2 - 3x90mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 3 - 3x90mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus

Day 4 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 5 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 6 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus
Day 7 - 3x60mg of Dihydrocodeine Continuus

Day 8 3x30mg of Dihydrocodeine

As of day 9 I am starting on Britlofex which will be arranged on my next appointment.

Do you think that amount of Codeine will cover the jump from 1.2mg of Subutex? I am not worried about suffering but I have to be careful as I become very psychotic very quickly once I have been awake for 48hours plus so that is my main concern as I don't want a episode that results in hospital as doing the rattle on a psyc ward would be too much. Wish my luck people (I will need it).

Safeways

I don't mean this in a funny way but wasn't the whole point of taking subs to stop talking opiates? Then what's the point in taking codeine / DHC to come off subs? It doesn't make sense.

Cheers man. My heart is racing and I cant sit still, don't feel right and its not even started yet. Would be ok if I could sleep but I cant and zopiclone don't work if you take them 3 nights in a row. Got the urge for cider and I don't drink. I do have some diclazepam but don't want to take them in case they show up on a the pending drug test next week. Flubrowhatever don't show up but they don't help you sleep for shit. I spent 12x the length of my using on sodding scripts, I hope I don't have long term damage as have scarring/shows on my brain already

Sorry to hear you're going through such a tough time. Can I ask how long you've been off subs? Sorry I've not yet read the whole thread as I've a headache so I'm not trying to be rude. Thinking of you and wishing you all the best with your detox.

Evey

 

[The Doc.]

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I don't mean this in a funny way but wasn't the whole point of taking subs to stop talking opiates? Then what's the point in taking codeine / DHC to come off subs? It doesn't make sense.



Sorry to hear you're going through such a tough time. Can I ask how long you've been off subs? Sorry I've not yet read the whole thread as I've a headache so I'm not trying to be rude. Thinking of you and wishing you all the best with your detox.

Evey

Using codeine to come off sub is actually quite common evey its actually a good idea when you think about it(mabye not for you as codiene is your D.O.C.) because codeine is so much weaker than bupe. If you think about it even about 0.2mgs of bupe is equal to around 100-200mgs of codeine so with codeine being so weak you can taper down of more than with sub. Also sub is generally more addictive to people than codeine is so when someone wants to taper down sub then jump off a low dose of sub using codeine after the sub to continue the taper down even further is a good idea.
I've heard of it many times I've thought about it for myslef too.

 

[The Doc.]

Mate, I don't really have anything to offer here other than 'Good luck man!' I know you've really been through hell recently and hope you beat it this time. As for the sleep issue, if the drugs don't work then you really can't beat good ol' physical exhaustion. have you got some mates you could go hiking/camping with? Throw a load of loperamide and DHC into the mix and you might actually find some relief. Getting back to nature can be very therapeutic - it certainly beats sitting around in a city flat rattling yer tits off! I personally hate being inside when I'm rattling - it feels so fuckin claustrophobic that I think I'm going to suffocate. You need space, lots of space, and fresh air, somewhere you can expand into without feeling threatened. Whatever happens, I hope you get through it relatively painlessly mate! Take care man....

How you supposed to go hiking or camping when dope sick that sounds like a horrible time to me lol well I guess I've never liked camping very much but still the thought of being outside on a mountain hiking and doing physical activities turns me off right away.
I'm usually laying on the ground gagging and shitting myself while my legs flail when in withdrawals not something I want to experience in the middle of no where.

 

[Eveleivibe]

How you supposed to go hiking or camping when dope sick that sounds like a horrible time to me lol well I guess I've never liked camping very much but still the thought of being outside on a mountain hiking and doing physical activities turns me off right away.
I'm usually laying on the ground gagging and shitting myself while my legs flail when in withdrawals not something I want to experience in the middle of no where.

You're right. When I'm in withdrawal I'm on the couch, feeling sorry for myself and like death - the last thing I'd do is go up a mountain when walking up the stairs feels like a mountain lol.

Using codeine to come off sub is actually quite common evey its actually a good idea when you think about it(mabye not for you as codiene is your D.O.C.) because codeine is so much weaker than bupe. If you think about it even about 0.2mgs of bupe is equal to around 100-200mgs of codeine so with codeine being so weak you can taper down of more than with sub. Also sub is generally more addictive to people than codeine is so when someone wants to taper down sub then jump off a low dose of sub using codeine after the sub to continue the taper down even further is a good idea.
I've heard of it many times I've thought about it for myslef too.

We'll agree to differ on this one. I can, in some ways, see your point and understand it, but my point is that you get onto subs in the first place to GET OFF OPIATES!!!! Surely codeine / DHC may remind the person of the feeling of opiates and thus act as a form of trigger??? I may be wrong, in this respect, but I only think that it sounds counter-productive. How is the poster meant to then come off codeine????

To illustrate my point nicely, another poster (who I will not mention, unless, they choose to be mentioned) withdrew from suboxone, using Kratom (assumed to be similar strength to codeine?) and the person ended up with a kratom addiction. My point illustrated nicely.

My theory is to completely suffer the withdrawals - that way the addict will remember the pain and it'll be a place they are less likely to return. If it's easy to get off suboxone what's the say the addict mind won't stay thinking "Well, that was easy to get off, how's about a few more subs for good times sake?"

Like I say, I could be wrong in my thinking - it's just my perception of things.

Evey

Evey

 

[The Doc.]

You're right. When I'm in withdrawal I'm on the couch, feeling sorry for myself and like death - the last thing I'd do is go up a mountain when walking up the stairs feels like a mountain lol.



We'll agree to differ on this one. I can, in some ways, see your point and understand it, but my point is that you get onto subs in the first place to GET OFF OPIATES!!!! Surely codeine / DHC may remind the person of the feeling of opiates and thus act as a form of trigger??? I may be wrong, in this respect, but I only think that it sounds counter-productive. How is the poster meant to then come off codeine????

To illustrate my point nicely, another poster (who I will not mention, unless, they choose to be mentioned) withdrew from suboxone, using Kratom (assumed to be similar strength to codeine?) and the person ended up with a kratom addiction. My point illustrated nicely.

My theory is to completely suffer the withdrawals - that way the addict will remember the pain and it'll be a place they are less likely to return. If it's easy to get off suboxone what's the say the addict mind won't stay thinking "Well, that was easy to get off, how's about a few more subs for good times sake?"

Like I say, I could be wrong in my thinking - it's just my perception of things.

Evey

Evey

Yea I see what you mean I thought you wouldn't agree with that cause codeine was your DOC but most people that are addicts don't get much if any euphoria from codeine I get higher on subocne than I do codeine. You started off with codeine fell in love and continued with that most addicts go on to much stronger opiates. I bet if you got off sub and tried codeine it wouldn't give you hardly any euphoria at all if any cause of being on the bupe even if you took months off sub or even years codeine just won't be the same.
I don't get high from codeine it just gets me by barely so tapering would be good besides the short half life that's kind of a pain.

Also i see what you mean by it being too easy but for a lot of people the trick is to make the withdrawals as easy as possible cause if its so dam difficult and horrible to go through most people arnt even going to make it past the withdrawals cause they can't handle it this is why we taper sub's down to the lowest dose possible to make it easier on ourselves.

And about the whole you may get addicted thing, to me I think an opiate is an opiate so being addicted to suboxone or codeine isn't really any different your still on opiates that's just my way of thinking I figure an opiate is an opiate is an opiate. Remember suboxone is an opiate too bupe is stronger than codeine too by a long shot, so bupe will give an addict the feeling of being on opiate too probably more so than codeine would. I'm addicted to suboxne now the high is pretty good it feels like oral morphine to me. Doesn't sub remind you of the euphoria of full opiates? The energy boost happiness and the sedating effect when chilling out alone. Too me they are about the same when it comes to recreational value. Codeine just isn't practical as a matinence drug because of the short half life but if they could make codeine in extended release or tweak it to make it have more legs to last longer it would make a great matinence drug for heroin addicts that don't have too big an addiction because of course codeine is so much weaker than most opiates such as buprenorphine , heroinand methadone