According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenmetrazine it was one of the best stims ever. So why aren't rc chemists trying to come up with an analogue of that? I mean there's a whole bunch of rc stims, most of them crap. They are trying to make a methaqualone analogue (ok, most so far have been crap). So why no phenmetrazine?
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why aren't we seeing any phenmetrazine analogues on the rc market?
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Thanks for the reply, guess it's time to beg vendors (hey, if I can beg for 2c-b-fly, 5 and 6 mapdb, 3-meo-2-oxo-pcp, 3-ho-pcp, 3-ho-pce, 3,4-CTEP, tryptamines with the nitrogen replaced with oxygen, sulfur analogues of mdma/mda/benzofurans, more lysergamides, ....) it's bound to work one day 
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No problem!
To elaborate on my earlier post, I remember when 3-fluorophenmetrazine came around and I was shocked to see a phenmetrazine analogue on the research chemical market. Now there's a whole array of compounds, including:
3,5-dimethyl-2-phenylmorpholine (PDM-35)
3,6-dimethyl-2-phenylmorpholine
5,5-dimethyl-2-phenylmorpholine (G-130)
3-ethyl-2-(3-fluorophenyl)morpholine (3F-phenetrazine)
4-ethyl-3-methyl-2-phenylmorpholin-2-ol (N-ethylphenmetrazol)
N-ethylphenmetrazine (phenmetetrazine)
3-ethyl-2-phenylmorpholine (phenetrazine)
3-methoxyphenmetrazine
3-methylphenmetrazine
4-methylphenmetrazine
(2S,5S)-5-methyl-2-phenylmorpholine [(+)-isophenmetrazine]
Has anyone had the chance to try a fair number of these? How do they compare to each other?
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Seeing as phenmetrizine is Schedule II, if I remember right, analogues are just as illegal.
If sold for human consumption.
I can't remember who, I deleted the PMs I exchanged with them, but I do know one member of bluelight had sampled either one of or both G-130 and PDM-35, I was thinking of acquiring them myself but never did and doubt they are available any longer and I definitely can't remember where it was that sold them, it wasn't your typical RC vendor but it also wasn't something like Tocris where you pay $200 for 10mg. IIRC they both have SERT affinity, but were more mild DNRI's than the parent compound so they were actually more functional rather than more coke like.
I can't remember who, I deleted the PMs I exchanged with them, but I do know one member of bluelight had sampled either one of or both G-130 and PDM-35, I was thinking of acquiring them myself but never did and doubt they are available any longer and I definitely can't remember where it was that sold them, it wasn't your typical RC vendor but it also wasn't something like Tocris where you pay $200 for 10mg. IIRC they both have SERT affinity, but were more mild DNRI's than the parent compound so they were actually more functional rather than more coke like.
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Yep, it's Schedule II in the United States, so these do fall under the Analog Act. In Canada, though, all the phenmetrazine analogues are currently uncontrolled.
Wondering why we haven't see quinoline/isoquinoline derivatives of things like Amnetamine and Naphyrone. There are essentially 7 isomers that could be explored for a single aminopropyl tail between quin/isoquin symmetries alone. Betting there's some stims or entactogens hiding in those structures somewhere.