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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

As someone who has had a high Heels addiction (IV) and relatively high (for current prescribing practices) methadone dose for over a decade - about a decade on each actually I can't hear someone who makes kicking sound relatively easy. What dose of H and how administered?

When I started and the first 10 WD's I did I didn't use clinic. Just some dihydrocodeine or bareback. But I was smoking just two 'bags's day, with a bag providing around 0.1-0.2 g. By the time I needed to use the meth clinic I was using 2 g a day IV. This made its way up to an eighth of an ounce, 3.5g a day.

You can't just ride out WD's at those amounts.
 
Great, congrats! I have also quit Methadone and it was pretty f***ing annoying and very depressing at times.
Good luck, and take care ne0!
Erik

Thanks Erikman you are really uplifting guy here, congrats for quiting methadone, did you do it cold turkey or with help of other drugs? I cant imagine what horror it is to suffer methadone WD's without any help of other legal or illegal drugs, must be nightmare that never stops.. People have said who have kicked many opioids that methadone and poppy seed tea/poppy pod/opium is the hardest. Methadone because its so long lasting and also it has some other strange effects on brain and body If I remember rightly it is also NMDA antagonists, and as for opium (or any products of poppys that contains the opium alkaloids like seeds and pods, you could say they are all opium) is hell of a drug to quit also because it has over 40 different alkaloids, so you are not addicted only to morphine and codeine but to many other alkaloids too. I've kicked 3 month use of tramdol, that wasn't anything compared to opium WD, thought first time I used opium for 3 years every day and after one year break started again and used only 4 months and this time going to stop them good no chipping in any form, no other drugs too, only mindfulness mediation 2 hours a day, and walk in the forest for 1 hour, and then reading Buddhist literature, after that just enjoying good games or good book.. My mistake was that I still chipped with opioids sftrt kicking the habbit, I took some opioid for one day, be it buprenorhpine or oxycodone, even loperamide in very high doses 200mg (it really work but can cause kidney problems I had always hurting back after using loperemaide), and also even poppy seed tea, but got straight 1 month WDS from it. From oxycodone and loperamide got only one week, with buprenorphine I didn't get any. I took them at the beginning once a week, when I got wds from them I decided that every 2 months and new try, same thing got wds, they aren't that strong but were something that you can handle, without taking any drugs or aids but they still feel bad. Even after 4 months I can't take opioids without getting WD symptoms for at least week to one month. It seem I never can use any kind of opioid rest of my life, too bad what if I happen to run to bad accident like with car, they surely give me strong opioids for pain morphine, fetanyl and maybe oxycodone, if I have been clean for 10 years, could them still trig WD's?

Thanks, take you too care of yourself, Ive got lots of great advices from you.
 
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Thanks Ne0! It actually took me various months to finally jump from 10-15 mg of Methadone. I used to do all sort opiates for a long time, including H. And after having quit few times on my own, I noticed I would always go back until I tried Methadone. I was already using benzos.

I used it for almost 8 years. Started with an incredibly high amount and decreased to 70/80 mg through out the years. During most of year 7 I started to decreased it. It took me 9 months until I reached 30 mg and only 12 mg of Bromazepam. During the following 3 months I tapered them down to the minimum doses and still it was very hard to cope. Withdrawals alone took more than 3 weeks to stop.

It took many more weeks for me to feel alright and from there, I started exercising. Keep my agenda pretty busy and here I am. ;)

Meditation is great, I was never good in staying still and not thinking of anything. It's on my list though! :)
 
Indeed :)

And for the record, meditation isn't about thinking less. It is about learning a new way to relate to ones thoughts.

I'd add some good dBuddhist practices to it too. I know many poeple who "only" do meditation but they really don't grow as a persons, some do but most people not. You also need the right way to do thing and think, and most people who do mindfulnesss never have heard meetaakarunaa -mediation tehnique, and I'm sure they even don't want to try it. For most poeople mediatation is just to ge free from work stress, but it has much deeper meaning and uses. I can't really think any better teacher than Buddha. You can choose Zen, tibetian, theravada, or other school of Buddhism which suits you the best, most of the schools have the same teaching but in different methods, but there are some off-stepped schools that remind more ofchristianity (like the very popular Japanesse buddhism). Also in some Asian countries Theravada Buddhism is likely corrupted, they are selling idols and talismans, and monks are mostly seen as persons who come to bless their new cars and washing machine (yes its actually true), and come to weddding, the local people often don't understand the teaching of Buddhas that well, making tham bun, is enough to get youre karma cleaned, many thing. But Buddhism is very hard to understand so I don't blame them., its good to see there are some poeple who really know about the depths of Buddhism very well, even that they haven't been ordained as monks. Also too many criminal and fake monks in many Asian countries, sometimes they smoke yaba or drink alcohol, minority ofc and they get kicked out fast.
 
Well, in all fairness meditation does refer to many different types of practices. There isn't any one tradition that has a monopoly on it. I do agree that it isn't a panecea though, regardless of what practices one engages in. I was actually reading a good article about meditation compared to psychotherapy, and how the two are geared towards different, if very complimentary, was of approaching various challenges.

Also that it is very important to have skilled teachers that one can relate to. Of course there are also a lot of different types of teachers out there, but some definitely seem more experienced and skillful than others.

I find that a lot of what I learn is only useful in terms of how I am able to integrate it into my daily life. Some practices are for helpful given my particular concerns than others, but that may look very different from person to person based on individual need and temperament.

Lol so off topic though :)
 
No no no. H is rarely just h. Its cut with phentanyl which is much stronger and more deadly. The real stuff will ruin your life along with the people you love. The shit they have now has increased the death toll many times over. If you like to live smoke weed and take some kratom. If it aint strong enough then you need to quit taking drugs and learn to be happy with what you have in life.
 
I'm a younger junkie, I started experimenting with harder drugs, i.e. Meth and heroin, last year, about February or March of 2016, then, 3 months later I started shooting up. Now I'm 19 and currently searching for a decent and affordable rehab. Anyone have any advice on finding a good rehab?
 
I can't advise you about rehabs but it should be available in your city or in your state. I have also experienced hard core drugs too early in life, I was younger than you. This is the time you'll have a good chance to change your life. I felt way more motivated when I was younger. Besides, you have an entire life ahead of you. You have the chance to leave all of these habits behind you. It can be quite refreshing and you have more now rather than later. :)

I wish you all success you deserve to have. You can do this as most of us did. Besides, at your age you don't really need to mess up with replacement therapy. Take this opportunity and donit once as it gets worse with time.

By the way, welcome to Bluelight!

Take care.
 
Hey, it's me again. As I mentioned earlier, I never had any experience heroin or illegal opioids (except codeine with paracetamol and durogesic for pain in an injury during one of mine workout sessions) and you are all experienced than me but again I would like to write a few thing under this topic. I feel responsible because I've learnt from my lost and I had to share my thoughts while I'm biting the bullet andagainst social stigma for those who will read it. In America, you heve more luck to rewarding social practices for rocvering. But in the middle east or eastern europe and western europe even; people who has experience about drug dependency past are just a bad role model for the rest of the community, living deads. Belive me, if a person recovered, the society won't him/her recover around here. You guys have a lot of problem about health issue, social finance etc. but you must know the value the recovery culture in communities in North America. I care the people because of my experience of my lost friend. Because he is so bright, talented artist and great thinker also an intellectual. And I would liked to say a few things at all. Because in bachelor years (that means early 20's in a homo sapien sapien's lifespan) apart from the lost close friend from OD, another some frends miserably went to creepy life. Of course, I do not believe that they have such a strenght to build a friendship with anyone. I was just lucky. I've just observed, befriended oddly and suffer from them. ('Cause they are classmates too) I did not do junk or anything. But I was the same to some degree because I was trying helping myself with self-medicating with legal drugs and alcohol. (Nd alcohol was much more dangerous in 20's) I am educated later as an addiction counselor but that's another story. In master years in college from 25-30's I moved to another city and I started living estranged when I write my thesis for my MA degree. Now, I socially drinks sometimes, only using anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds under a doctor's supervision whenever only needed -unfortunately it happens- and so on. I was only lucky because I find a thing that really bound me to the life. My career... It's knowledge, intellectual interests and art. (Must add a little social activism contrubuiton, not in organized way though, in my case). Heroin is not my thing but I would like to say a thing or two because I strongly believe that there was an opportunity for my lost friend to do things which I did. I'm sure of this. And his death is more sad situation for all us here among friends. I must sadly say that if you have how much more history that recreational drug using, there is no chance to such get use them recreationally in the future. Strict prescription drugs are not abusable in my opinion, as so much. Because in a daily routine, authorities do not allow the amounts the doctor's supervision. Of course, it differs country from country in practice. So you can hardly abuse them, hardly share them, hardly benefits recreationally from them. But script restrictions varies from country to country as I've said. In my country, abusable drugs, controlled daily. (If the script writes that 1*1 (pill a day) and if it includes a box 30 pill, you will be never get your hands on it until the 31th day) "Oh doc, I'm planning to to vacation for Barcelona with my loved one and my kids for couple of weeks. What will I do?" Doc must say that "I have not such an authority to prescribe in a some way" and only the familiar pharmacies to you, will give your anti-anxiety drugs like xanax, ritalin etc.) It's though, but I must say that it is working when it comes to regulation.

You're all experienced people and I appeciated all of you with my all heart. I'm the one who has no experience in here with the topic but I believe being an experienced about becoming a friend and/or relative to a heroin user is much suffering than the person itself aforimentioned, sometimes.

I saw incredible people, writers, professors, artists and met such people who those are really clean for a three or four decades. They contributed to the others inside the community. Leonarda da Vinci is an opium-eater, a heavy one, once in a while) Of course, in this forum everyone can do recover with no doubt if he truely do this. But I just am telling the truth: It's hard and requires luck sometimes. (Logorhytmics, rational, spritiual, faithful, whatever you wanna call this "luck" thing...) I never saw people who just tried heroin-type guys in my youth. (in art college) It's an illlisuon. Trying heroin to look for self-medicating option is the worst decision that anybody can give among all other options. Just sayin'...

With love and support
 
Oh , I'd suggest that you benefit health insurance in if you're an American. You can consider a few months that spent in agony at the expense of good entire life. Your soctor mey consider Suboxone ooptionn (I think Obama raise the maximum patient capcity to 100 from 30 just before go away... and the our breave new world seems like never will care health issues for a while). Just, choose a good, real doc not by only the diplomaand title, but with personality that you can trust. (Not every specialist or not every doctor is not worthy to call by these words) and if you're young maybe you should reconsidering the value to trust people more experienced than yourself. It supposed to be this way once or twice in a lifetime and it is certainly one of them)
 
Whatever you choose to do, I suggest that you it now rather than later. Keep us posted.Best of luck!E.
 
Nothing ventured, nothing gained,
Get a mate to run it for you because it`s a lot trickier than it looks, you could snort - but I`ve started on it recently, and am not sure if snorting it is as good as smoking it !!!

;)
 
I used to use heroin to numb the mental pain but I found that it made it worse. Dealing with your problems is hard but using drugs to cope ain't worth it. As a former user PLEASE do not even try it. Our country is loosing too many young people to this drug and what kind of future will America have if we don't have enough able bodied young people? Plus I don't want to pay my dealers rent which was my motivation to quit.
 
Look at the pros and cons of heroin addiction. Ask yourself do you want to wake up miserable and alone every day. You don't turn into an addict in one day but before you know it you'll be unable to stop and eventually fear of withdrawal will keep you going. You'll end up homeless after you Rob your family enough . Don't do it once.
 
The problem with trying heroin is that you'd want to go back and do it again. The feeling is much stronger when it's about heroin imo. And the potential to destroy your life is pretty visible.
 
NO DO NOT TRY HEROIN. IT WILL NOT DO WHAT YOU THINK OR HOW IT IS PORTRAYED IN MOVIES. I tried it and didn't get it I did it all the ways you can do it. It just makes you pass out with out warning if you do enough of it. AND it is physically addictive. That means your body will hurt on top of your mind hurting during withdrawals.

HEROIN IS THE WORST.
 
People feel it in different ways, but I haven't yet seen a happy end. You get sober, sure. But life is tougher, no more colorful days...
 
People feel it in different ways, but I haven't yet seen a happy end. You get sober, sure. But life is tougher, no more colorful days...
Yeah it may take multiples of years to fully recover what was lost in simply a year's worth of use.
Curiosity can indeed kill the cat... the problem with heroin is it's often a slow debilitating death. I just pray one person reads from this thread and actually DOESNT try heroin. I know I couldn't be convinced to not try it, but maybe someone out there will have some better sense than I.
 
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