I haven't had any which do you prefer LSZ or AL-LAD?
I haven't had any which do you prefer LSZ or AL-LAD?
If I had to pick, AL-LAD. But LSZ is still one of my top-5 psychedelic rcs.
Got some Al-LAD locally(UK), from my Ketamine dealer, he probably got it from the road(never asked)
It was identical to the tabs I've seen pictured. Tested with an Erlich EZvials, but absolutely no colour change(yes I added the ball).
So don't assume everything is real Al-LAD, bound to be copycats using Nbomes.
Oral dosing would rule that out I suppose, but I binned them.
No point in reagent testing if you're going to ignore the results.
>LSD or at least very high dose actual LSD, is going to become even more rare and even more hypothetically expensive, and AL-LAD and LSZ will flood the market and hypothetically be sold as "LSD".
Lsd is actually cheaper than al-lad/lsz so that wouldn't really make sense.
Were you lucky enough to get a sample of ETH-LAD? How was it?
There is a lot of shit out there about people posting about the elrich test kits with LSD on Bluelight despite people not having actual experience - just speculating and throwing people off.
With these kits, you can sometimes struggle to get a reaction at all, as in nothing happens, because there is so little of the lysergimide present - e.g. 100ug - generally LSD blotter is 40-50ug. I've had blotter at an accurate 90ug give take few ug and these also did not create a reaction with these kits and it was some great quality blotter, some of the best I've had in fact.
Same with the AL-LAD, if anything this was good indication they were legit. Generally if there's something else on it the dose is going to have to be 500ug+ (especially for NBOMEs) and so it's more likely to give a reaction, but it wont be the same reaction as with a lysergimide.
LSD isn't disappearing any time soon either, while these lysergimides are great there is a reason LSD is the selected one out of them all really. It is the best for the complete rounded experience, for having the best results in therapy etc in my opinion (out of lysergimides) and the most 'magical' feeling for a recreational experience.
Pieces of LSZ and AL-LAD blotter from my vendor were tested by our police lab (we have a local HR organization that offers free testing of drugs, you just bring them in, they send them to the police lab for testing) and confirmed to be what he's claiming. Plus an acquaintance was busted with some LSZ blotters (don't know from which vendor), police tested them and confirmed it was a legal substance. He didn't get a copy of the results, but nbomes are illegal here, so that wasn't in them.
Moral of the story? If you want to be sure and are lucky to have such an org available to you have them tested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drugs_c...e_of_Drugs_Act it appears ETH-LAD is not automatically scheduled in the UK, only tryptamines, their indolols (and esters thereof) with one or more alkyl on the amine. If you look at ETH-LAD as a PEA (you can, although it's unusual), it is not listed either.
So if I trust you, HofmannBlotter, ETH-LAD might very well be the next one! YAY!
I've had conflicting reports, Wiki isn't always on the ball when it comes to uk subtsabce law. It might well be that Eth-Lad is legal in the UK but if I ran an RC company, I wouldn't be going to go by Wikipedia if I were to invest perhaps tens thousands of £'s on a custom synth of it.
So, unfortunately, no. ETH-LAD is an N-alykl derivative of lysergamide (derivation is an ethyl group, right? Which is by definition an alykl group).
AL-LAD is legal because the derivative structure is an allyl group.
In terms of legality, you are looking at compounds where the functional derivative is heavier. EG: PARGY-LAD (propynyl derivation) or DAL (allyl on R6) or MIPLA (isopropyl derivation) or CYP-LAD (cyclopropyl derivation) and the like -- these should be legal under UK law.
However, the trend for the heavier groups *seems* to be less potent and/or shorter in length, and many of these compounds are barely, or even *never*. assayed in humans at all. You can completely destroy the hallucinogenic effects of this compound with just one heavy molecule (2-Bromo-LSD), which may be useful for cluster headache treatment, but that's not what vendors are selling. So we'll see what vendors come up with next, if anything.
I don't have much to add to the thread but please, whoever made this shit... Keep it coming. I had some of the most beautiful, deep, insightful, spiritual experiences I've ever had on AL-LAD.
The easiest going tryptamine I've ever had with amazing potential.
Yeah, lets hope Al remains available for the forseeable future, although I'm happier still to see it continue it's position below the radar of legislation!
I had a clever chemist type person tell me that Eth-Lad would be illegal, regardless of what Wiki says, so I'd go with the clever person irl rather than some random internet page, even a Wikipedia one. Pity because it's one I'd like to have a spin round upon!
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I'd love to see them make this one:
6-allyl-6-nor-lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide aka al-lsz. should be legal
But since it's totally new and no one knows it's affects and an efficient synth it would probably be a big financial risk to try.
I have been advised [ by a vendor ] that Britain is going to introduce analog laws similar to USA and Australia in order to stamp out these lysergamides and other RCs ; possibly by March next year , although they are hopeful we may have until 2015 before this stupidity becomes reality ...
Surely this is a misguided exercise in futility that will serve only to further encourage and benefit the illicit market . One would think that the consumer is best protected and harm is minimized by the present situation of a known product of guaranteed purity and dosage from a legit vendor , rather than the bad old days of sus illicit chems from very dodgy suppliers ....
ETH-LAD is illegal in the UKLysergide and other N-alkyl derivatives of lysergamide
AL-LAD and LSZ blotters on the official blotter contain 150ug per blotter which is plenty to give a colour change with ehrlichs reagent. Nobody would bother using it if "no colour change is an indication it's legit".
The analog act has pretty much been laughed at here at every turn.
What about those guys who ran all the "american research supply" places in America that got busted in 2004? Didn't they all get 20 years each on the analog act?
^ Yes, the analogue act has been used several times to prosecute sellers in the US. It hasn't been used much to go after buyers (except for the unlucky ones who happen to be caught with a baggie of something in their back pocket), but that doesn't mean they won't in the future.
I have a question obviously there's one person or outfit it seems that is capable of producing al lad the used to people think that this chemical is being made buy a legitimate custom Synth company with licenses to handle the precursors involved probably located in the EU. or the think that this is being produced by a clandestine lab underground source: I'm not trying to source here I'm just trying to get a general idea of where its coming from that's what this thread is up names