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(Poppy Seed Tea/500-1500g) - Semi experienced -Poppy seed tea withdrawal

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Subutai

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The substance is obviously poppy seed tea. Dosages varied between 500g of weak sort to 1500g of strong sort. I would say I'm fairly experienced with opiates/oids:heroin(not IV), morphine(IV), hydromorphone, DHC, PPT, and PST of course.

Okay, so I was interested in PST for quite some time before my addiction to it, because other opiates are rather scarce where I live (sub 100k town in E.Europe). At first, I was pretty much wasted by 500g of really weak seeds. I liked it even more than oral morphine, because of duration of the high and it was more "complex". I must add though, I have pretty fast metabolism, so even PST held me on for like 3-5 hours tops. It eventually morphed into "addiction"-I had to drink this foul tasting shit every second day if I wanted to avoid withdrawal.

Onto the actual withdrawal:D. I decided it is time to end this so I bought some loperamide and here we go.
Withdrawals always started next day evening after my last dose, so I'll start with day 2 of being "clean".

Day 2-I woke up feeling ok, but with bad back pain and increasingly annoying leg pain (knee down). Later throughout the day I was feeling either too hot or cold, that was the most annoying physical symptom. Sort of internal fever, however strange it sounds. I was really suprised that I had no diarrhea, just some increased movements and sounds of bowels. Mentally I was feeling pretty anxious, but nothing too bad. I slacked about for the whole day and eventually took rather big dose of chlorprothixene and went to sleep.

Day 3-Physical symptoms are stronger than earlier, but mentally I'm doing good. I'm really motivated to quit and hope for quick resolve of physical symptoms. I had 1ml of GBL, and 2 hours later another 1ml, which knocked me out for whole night. Music sounds good.

Day 4-I feel better in terms of legs and backpain, but I feel really really cold. My brain starts to turn shit up. I feel anxious, empty, sad, racing thoughts and generally not good. I have to walk around in circles or do something. Can't concentrate. I'm generally a loner, but I sought companionship at this time, and it helped.

Day 5-Pains are gone, but constant cold is still here, along with shitstorm in brain. I had sex, busted a nut pretty quick, and it made me feel even more miserable. I feel like running out of my skin. Took some chlorprothixene and wiggled in bed for few hours before falling asleep.

Day 6-(Which is today)-I feel better, but still really speedy type of feeling. I think about stuff I normally don't and worry (which is usually don't either). This feeling got so annoying that it made me go to the doc and got some hydroxyzine. But I definately feel better than day 4 and 5. I think 2, 3 days and I will be doing ok again.

This is pretty worthless trip report. I made it to show that wd from pst isn't that much longer than other opiates. Maybe someone will find it useful, or uplifting in some way:).

Oh and sorry for eventual errors, english is not my native language.
 
hey man!
hopefully day 7 is even better :)
most useful report since i'm looking into this brew.
how long you drank it before the wd symptoms started?
 
Thanks mate, it is kinda better:D. I found out that magnesium helps slightly with tension.
To answer your question, in the beggining when I wasn't addicted, 3-4 days in a row produced very mild diarrhea. I would think that binging or drinking it every second day for 1-2weeks would cause rather mild but annoying withdrawal. If one can control his drug usage (I don't, when it comes to opiates, that's why I'm done with them) PST can be really nice.
 
Using Imodium will make you feel better and completely get rid of the diarrhea.
 
Don't buy immodium; generic loperamide are roughly 10% of the price.

As for myself poppy seed was far too hit and miss; all it takes is for some well meaning ingredient supplier to wash your seed and you've just wasted money. Do you live in a country where it's legal to grow opium poppy? If so, poppies are a popular plant for gardeners; you could simply harvest whichever plants you find under the cover of night. This is how I do it in the UK, and I always look forward to "opium season".

Of course, you need stuff to help you combat opiate withdrawals, and there are options available to you. Kratom could be great, loperamide, kava and also RC benzos such as etizolam, pyrazolam, etc (these are addictive, don't use them for more than six days, and be careful to take less each day; 20% less per day is a good rule of thumb.) If these are illegal where you are, I've heard phenibut is useful for opiate detox. It's important you cycle your use carefully though, as it's tolerance buildup is rapid.
 
Nice report!

Sounds like my poppy pod withdrawal experience! No puking or diarrhea, just severe fatigue and emotional trainwreck along with mild aches and pains. The worst part is the duration, which is longer than most opiates since pods are so long-acting. (Same is true of seeds I assume). I didn't feel 100% for 3+ months :\
 
Thanks for all the replies. It's been more than a month since my last dose of PST, but I have to say, I miss the high it gives. Weed, codeine, GBL or benzos don't even hold a candle to it :). I'm not sure, maybe it's my brain playing tricks one me, but I think that now that I know more about PST I could use it once in a while, like once per 2 weeks. What do you think?

Growing poppies of somniferum variety is illegal where I live. Even possession of dried pods is illegal.
 
Well, after more than a month break I again, against everyones advice, took PST. Soon I drank it everyday, for 2 months more or less. Since it was a rather weak sort withdrawal came really fast, usually it takes 2 days, cause (thats my theory, lol) liver enzymes get so overloaded that it takes 48h to process it all.
I wanted to saw my legs off today, they hurt so much, but I decided to keep them ;). I just hope I will feel better tomorrow. I now know for sure I can never, ever, enjoy it like I used to in the beggining, its over for me.
 
Poppy seed tea is my favorite opiate (including heroin though I have never IVed anything). For me it lasts about 16 hours although not at peak. I am also addicted to it. How long had you been using every other day? My current regimen is every other day, occasionally I make it 3 days which helps. I was doing it every 4 days when I was using loperamide (immodium) on the off days but I recently discovered that loperamide can be extremely bad for you regularly at high doses, and it can produce its own withdrawal. So I am trying to keep loperamide to a bare minimum and slowly work to every 3 days without lope. Years back I was using poppy seed tea every single day, and I quit cold turkey and had acute withdrawal for 2 weeks and minor withdrawal for 2 more weeks after that, it was horrible. It makes me feel hopeful to hear you say that it is dissipating at a normal time frame of 6 to 7 days when you were using every other day.

And yeah, once you enter opiate addiction you can never enjoy them again, you step right back into it where you left off and the pattern continues. The scary part about opiate addiction for me is that I once quit for a year, got everything back in order, and was happy. But one day the thought crept in that I could use it once, and now, almost 3 years later, it's kicked my ass again.
 
How long had you been using every other day? It was probably few weeks. Lope never really worked for me. In my case, its just not worth it, taking it I mean.
Im going to addictions specialist today, I hope he will give me clonidine or something, cause I feel like on speed or some shit. I hate it, I also havnt slept almost at all that night.
 
Oddly enough, I don't like the taste of poppy seeds, even on a roll. I'm still clean tho, and I promised myself, and others, I won't touch this or any other opiate.
Anyone know for how long sleep problems persist?
 
I slept lightly for a couple of months... permanently for lightly than I had been while on opiates but not actual sleeping problems. I had a really hard time sleeping for a good 3-4 weeks, but after 2 weeks or so it wasn't because I couldn't stop kicking my legs, it was comfortable but I just wasn't tired. This was when I quit for a year a few years back, I went cold turkey from doing poppy seed tea every day.

I am going to send positive vibes to you that you can keep to your convictions. Don't be like me, I totally went back after a year when on my birthday I decided I could do it just once for a special occasion. :\
 
Good luck at staying clean, Subutai. The fact the physical WD lasts 14+ days is keeping me from kicking.
 
Thanks guys. At this day I have no physical symptoms whatsoever, and I slept last night without any chemical help :). Strange thing though, I always got up at 9-11am, now i'm up and running before 8 am. Not a big deal, but strange.
SproutOnSmack, I think that such decision will eventually come, but it just has to ''mature'', grow. Maybe you could try with buprenorphine?
 
Its been 8 months since I quit PST, everything was good but some time ago I started to get cravings, and really strong, torturing ones. Another bout came yesterday and is still here, today. I feel like I'm slowly loosing it.
EDIT: Phew, few hours later I think the crave went away, but I was dangerously close, I'd say VERY close. At least for now. I have this idea to kill the crave with another, less addictive substance, like weed or GBL/GHB, or at the very least some old school neuroleptic. Is that okay?
 
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Holy hell. Physical addiction develops to PST incredibly quickly. I thought for sure I would not get any withdrawal symptoms by keeping my doses relatively low (between 8-16 oz) and infrequent (I thought ~3 times/week would be infrequent enough, I've only been using like that for less than a month), but I was very very wrong. My last dose was a 16 oz brew on Thursday Nov. 21st in celebration of working really hard studying for a heap of assignments/tests and being done with my classes until after Thanksgiving. Well, I flew back home from college for Thanksgiving break on Friday the 22nd so I have exactly zero access to any poppy seeds or any drugs for that matter. So it's been four days since my last dose and so far it's been hell. I barely get any sleep and just toss and turn for hours. I feel so cold but so hot at the same time. Getting comfortable is impossible. I have absolutely no appetite, I'd be surprised if I've been consuming anything more than ~900 calories a day. My legs have been cramping nonstop since Saturday.

Please tell me it gets better soon.
 
Buy some loperamide (immodium). When I am feeling opiate withdrawal and take 3 of those pills i feel waaay better.
 
It does get better, I am guessing it won't last too long for you since you weren't using a whole lot or for very long. But it is a long-lasting opiate (among the longest), so the half-life is long, hence, longer withdrawal. Just keep your head up and try to do interesting things during the day. The nights are definitely the worst part of opiate withdrawal, and the lack of sleep can really start to get to you after a while. Immodium does help (but if you do it, get generic loperamide because it's the same and WAY cheaper). I would have to take 20 or so of the pills to get relief though, but it does help a lot. It doesn't make it all go away but it makes the restlessness go way down as well as the other physical symptoms. It itself is an opiate that either doesn't cross the BBB or else has a difficult time doing it. It will make you constipated, I used to take stool softeners and/or laxatives with it to counteract that. It doesn't really get you high, it just makes you feel heavy and eliminates some of the withdrawals. Be aware that loperamide can cause its own physical dependence so try to use it sparingly if you go that way. It ended up prolonging my withdrawal by a good bit but I was using it every day because I didn't realize it could do that.

Your best bet is to just ride it out, it will go away the fastest then, but I fully understand how much you just need relief sometimes so it's good to know there is something available that can help you in a pinch.
 
Well finally a week later the withdrawals seem to have subsided (at least most of the way). Sleeping has still been sort of difficult even after ingesting ungodly amounts of melatonin, although I can't entirely blame that on withdrawals seeing as I've been dealing with some nasty sinus problems the past few days. By the way, pray to the drug gods you never have to go through opiate withdrawal and sinusitis at the same time, I never thought I could feel so shitty over Thanksgiving break. Anyways, to be perfectly honest I'll probably start using poppy seed tea again once I fly back home but I'll try to limit my usage so I hopefully won't have to go through withdrawals again. Wishful thinking I suppose. But the way I see it some people go get drunk a couple times a week (hell my dad drinks alcohol every day), I just prefer nodding off and watching Netflix a couple times a week. Different strokes, different psychological desires. Anyways I'm rambling now. I'll have to keep in mind loperamide if I'm ever unlucky enough to come face to face with withdrawals again.
 
You're almost 100% sure to get back to the point of withdrawals again if you start using it again... it's so much easier to get there once you've been there and it gets worse every time. In my opinion it is indeed wishful thinking that you could manage to maintain a non-destructive habit... also classic opiate addict thought patterns. The thought that I could successfully do it "next time" is what led me to 10 years of increasingly horrific opiate addiction, specifically poppy seed tea for the later years of it. I'd get clean briefly, get through withdrawals, and then decide I could control myself, and enter longer and longer periods of darkness... it got way harder every time. The only way I could stop the cycle was to eventually decide to never touch another opiate again as long as I live, and I was only able to do that with the help of an ibogaine flood dose. It started so innocently for me... as it does for everyone.

Hell, maybe you can do it, but statistically the odds are against you. Be careful, the cycle of opiate addiction is fucked up and incredibly life-destroying. I'd strongly consider getting out while you still can. Periods of transient pleasure are in no way worth the depths of the lows that will probably follow.
 
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